{"conversationCode":"344-003","tapeNumber":344,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-344-003","startDateTime":"1972-06-20T20:09:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-20T20:14:00.000Z","startDate":"20-Jun-1972","startTime":"4:09 PM","endDate":"20-Jun-1972","endTime":"4:14 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Buchanan, Patrick J.;","description":"On June 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Patrick J. Buchanan met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:09 pm to 4:14 pm. 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(President)","Buchanan, Patrick J."],"prevCode":"344-002","nextCode":"344-004","tapeTranscriptFile":"344a.mp3,344b.mp3,344c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":111.54,"end":116.94,"text":"If you could get one line, I don't know if you could get one line out of Novak's piece for the show."},{"start":117.12,"end":128.41,"text":"I may not do it, but I just thought it would be wonderful if you could put it on somewhere."},{"start":130.75,"end":141.66,"text":"The second thing is that I don't intend to get into the state at this point, but the second thing is that when you refer to that vote, was that the vote on pre-15?"},{"start":141.68,"end":143.52,"text":"Was that a vote on pre-15 at all?"},{"start":143.6,"end":153.28,"text":"Yeah, well, just for the future, it seemed to me that the first one, I don't know what that vote was."},{"start":153.5,"end":159.96,"text":"I think it was a vote on pre-15, but I think"},{"start":160.59,"end":164.73,"text":"It's also very scary to know that it's going to happen."},{"start":164.75,"end":166.31,"text":"It's also important."},{"start":166.39,"end":169.2,"text":"But, I mean, we can't suspend it and allow it."},{"start":169.58,"end":172.22,"text":"It might have gone forever."},{"start":173.38,"end":181.91,"text":"But beyond that, the question is whether or not, in their speeches, they might be able to..."},{"start":186.87,"end":188.27,"text":"I just got the call."},{"start":188.29,"end":189.15,"text":"I said, I would rather that."},{"start":189.19,"end":193.35,"text":"But my guess is that it was probably one of those, probably a pre-missing extension."},{"start":194.23,"end":194.79,"text":"It's all right."},{"start":196.65,"end":205.2,"text":"But my general feeling about the debate question is that it was a very wrong question."},{"start":211.28,"end":212.71,"text":"I just say, look, I have some ideas."},{"start":212.77,"end":215.43,"text":"Well, I'm going to say I wasn't questioning it."},{"start":219.1,"end":219.34,"text":"Right."},{"start":220.08,"end":220.24,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":221.18,"end":221.42,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":221.66,"end":222.22,"text":"And we'll see."},{"start":222.28,"end":225.31,"text":"The answer is, of course, a very good one."},{"start":225.95,"end":228.89,"text":"And, of course, it's a very good one."},{"start":228.95,"end":239.18,"text":"You can start off by saying the other four accountants took that belief."},{"start":239.22,"end":242.38,"text":"The other point is that"},{"start":244.32,"end":249.68,"text":"Uh, I wondered if checking on the, uh, you know, on the tax thing, that tax question, whether we ought to have unveiled this kind of thing."},{"start":249.8,"end":251.3,"text":"It's a little hard for me."},{"start":251.32,"end":255.28,"text":"Of course, you're referring to that as your last paragraph, aren't you?"},{"start":255.3,"end":264.22,"text":"You know, we're, that's the bill that, you know, provides for the, I don't know, what we're doing."},{"start":264.72,"end":272.61,"text":"And maybe it's, it, it, it, it, it allows, uh, really, I mean, makes the Congress vote on it, you know, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on,"},{"start":273.66,"end":276.42,"text":"Is that, is that, you talked to the Shultz guy the other day?"},{"start":276.7,"end":276.86,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":276.9,"end":277.25,"text":"Yeah, I see."},{"start":277.31,"end":287.49,"text":"Well, uh, uh, you might just give him a call and say that, that I was just being stupid."},{"start":287.87,"end":288.57,"text":"That's what I'm doing."},{"start":288.59,"end":292.86,"text":"He's got a, he's got a general view about it."},{"start":293.46,"end":297.24,"text":"But, uh, that's what I am."},{"start":297.28,"end":300.96,"text":"He hasn't been bumped, you know."},{"start":304.5,"end":304.85,"text":"What?"},{"start":304.87,"end":305.15,"text":"They're done."},{"start":351.18,"end":355.36,"text":"You can have them."},{"start":355.48,"end":358.96,"text":"As a matter of fact, I'm going to come back to you here."},{"start":359,"end":359.08,"text":"Okay."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":99,"end":387,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Patrick Buchanan discuss media strategy and legislative maneuvering regarding a specific congressional vote, likely related to fiscal policy or tax legislation. 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