Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 344-033
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 1972 at 3:35 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Colson, Charles W.; [Unknown person(s)]
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/344-033

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[3:38:03] Manola, would you tell Mr. Coulson and Cullen to come over?
[3:38:17] Yes, sir.
[3:38:18] Manola, also would you bring over to me the...
[3:38:27] The folder, have them send over the folder that's on my desk for the affair tonight.
[3:38:32] Just have the call people.
[3:38:34] You don't need to go.
[3:38:36] Just the folder that's on my desk for tonight.
[3:38:40] Yes, sir.
[3:39:42] If the new pictures are all right.
[3:39:45] Yeah, I don't know if they're...
[3:39:49] But they've got one there.
[3:39:51] Yeah.
[3:40:02] We haven't probably heard of a line.
[3:40:09] You need to use a social aid or client.
[3:40:14] Clients always do it.
[3:40:15] Social aid can't do it if it doesn't.
[3:40:22] With this many people, I just haven't had the time to.
[3:40:30] The line will be too long.
[3:40:33] to go through two long situations.
[3:40:38] They have got to be, on the other hand, described as to where the hell they're from, you see.
[3:40:54] God put Ralph Rennie on it.
[3:40:59] Jesus Christ, I'm glad I told you to check these things with the local, but what about the home?
[3:41:10] They're okay.
[3:41:10] Well, one of the very, very successful, I'd just like to know, that was unbelievable.
[3:41:15] I would, I'd say to have a chance to read that.
[3:41:19] Go ahead.
[3:41:23] I really don't know.
[3:41:24] He's bad.
[3:41:25] I mean, I don't mean just a little bad.
[3:41:26] He's very bad.
[3:41:27] Ralph Rennick, he's a big, he's a big audience member.
[3:41:31] He's a CBS qualification as they had to be.
[3:41:34] either technically or at the very least completely neutral.
[3:41:40] And that was the only event that ever happened.
[3:41:43] I said, ask the local people.
[3:41:47] I said, ask the local people.
[3:41:56] We ran through a couple of houses.
[3:41:58] Well, I know you can't, but I don't expect you to be forced.
[3:42:02] You've got to watch it.
[3:42:05] I'm afraid there's going to be too many more like that.
[3:42:11] I'm not going to say a word.
[3:42:12] I apparently didn't get across what I was trying to get at.
[3:42:19] I wanted to reveal the potential on our side.
[3:42:25] I wouldn't, for example, knowing even New York, I wouldn't have paid Preston.
[3:42:28] I know Preston.
[3:42:28] He's not going to, he's going to pick the shit out of us.
[3:42:35] You know Preston?
[3:42:37] New York?
[3:42:39] Well, I mean, it's obvious the curve got extinguished.
[3:42:46] I don't see something's happening here with Preston.
[3:42:50] I don't think he did.
[3:42:56] What do they do?
[3:42:57] Just put it on the list and see whether they had big lists of how they actually sued them.
[3:43:01] I don't know.
[3:43:02] No?
[3:43:02] Well, that was one.
[3:43:03] We had, it was a three-week effort on this president to go home to the country to find the people who had influence up to date and who were abused.
[3:43:14] Our test was that they'd be reasonably sympathetic, not necessarily pro, but at least accept police guys that we could work with.
[3:43:22] with the influence by some stroking he had with him.
[3:43:25] He thinks we took a close look at him.
[3:43:27] I'm sure.
[3:43:27] I'll wait here.
[3:43:28] For what?
[3:43:28] For a body check, of course.
[3:43:39] Probably the other, the word.
[3:44:19] I'd rather have a client who will button it up a little bit.
[3:44:29] I mean, it's better to have somebody that knows the point rather than a tenant.
[3:44:43] See, the social aid, they don't know how to do that.
[3:44:46] They were going to say, this is Mr. Joe Blow.
[3:44:49] I don't know these people.
[3:44:51] I don't know these people.
[3:44:59] I don't know these people.
[3:45:24] This is not done.
[3:45:29] This is not done.
[3:45:33] This is not done.
[3:45:35] This is not done.
[3:45:55] They have no remarks.
[3:45:57] They have a mic set up so they don't hear anything.
[3:46:05] Audit.
[3:46:06] They're going to have to go to the Eastern.
[3:46:17] They're going to have to go to Peru.
[3:46:22] When I see that kind of a, you have a big program, I don't think it's too necessary, but with the editors, I don't think they've been advertising or marketing advertising or something like that.
[3:46:41] It was just advertising reception.
[3:46:43] But yeah, it's a briefing and a reception.
[3:46:46] Here, a briefing and a reception.
[3:46:52] He wasn't there, but he helped us to be wonderful.
[3:46:58] Check.
[3:46:59] Let's go.
[3:47:01] This is for the...
[3:47:01] It's a big audience.
[3:47:02] Let me have you here.
[3:47:03] Check with right on that.
[3:47:05] Powerful.
[3:47:06] Powerful.
[3:47:11] Powerful.
[3:47:14] Good job.
[3:47:18] Good job.
[3:47:21] He was, I'm sorry, he was checked and came back definitely Democratic.
[3:47:25] His brother is in the Democratic State Assembly.
[3:47:32] Yeah.
[3:47:32] Attends to be local vice president of the station, .
[3:47:39] Correct.
[3:47:39] He's been very, very .
[3:47:41] Correct.
[3:47:41] Oh, unbelievable.
[3:47:42] Yeah.
[3:47:44] So we did check him out.
[3:47:46] But I told you, liberal is a small.
[3:47:49] We went through 734 people who had called in on the delivery.
[3:47:52] We had about 500.
[3:47:56] At least we have a pretty good block on most of them.
[3:48:04] That's a pretty good idea.
[3:48:06] But we put people who were just calling out to the whole group.
[3:48:10] One of the things we often do is we've got so many people in.
[3:48:28] It's better to have two or three that have total responsibility than to have a dozen.
[3:48:37] They all have that responsibility.
[3:48:50] Well, you've got Scali and Sapphire and all over.
[3:48:54] We're going to push the end of the fuse.
[3:48:56] These are people who are advised to do things because they're healers and not people who are prepared.
[3:49:05] Especially in an election year, it's a lot of ground to cover.
[3:49:13] It sure is.
[3:49:14] After the mining decision, they were all useful.
[3:49:18] That's when we discovered we had a weakness, actually.
[3:49:22] We got the list of people that we could call around the country, but we didn't do that.
[3:49:26] We discovered we had about a hundred teachers, professors, and teachers in a couple of other places.
[3:49:33] And we actually now probably have two or three hundred of those pros, but at least we know the truth.
[3:49:40] That's great.
[3:49:41] And we know where they are.
[3:49:43] See, Bob, this has been always the weakness that I've been hit on in the crime.
[3:49:48] Client repeats the same damn people all the time.
[3:49:52] Right?
[3:49:53] You go to the client office, it ain't there.
[3:49:54] It's not there.
[3:49:55] So this is an exercise in the word why I didn't do that.
[3:50:00] I just thought it was fun.
[3:50:02] Check.
[3:50:02] One of the difficulties in any of these main operations, you know, we now have...
[3:50:13] Oh, so many of those people on the key list.
[3:50:16] One of the great things is you have to rely on other people too.
[3:50:21] I know.
[3:50:21] I'll tell you what you need.
[3:50:22] I'll tell you what you need each day.
[3:50:23] You need a friend who, for whatever you're supposed to do, ain't tough.
[3:50:32] They call and say, oh, Jesus, don't have that guy.
[3:50:34] He has some of that.
[3:50:36] No.
[3:50:37] In Miami, if there's any questions that were posed to him, he was perfectly, perfectly going to be smart.
[3:50:48] You never know to be smart.
[3:50:48] He knows all these countries.
[3:50:50] He knows more than they know about themselves.
[3:50:52] You call him up and say, maybe in Chicago we would call Flintstones Cinema.
[3:50:55] They'd register.
[3:50:55] They'd say, not they.
[3:50:56] We should be happy to come.
[3:50:57] He'd say, well, I would have come, but I wouldn't have that other company.
[3:51:01] And that's what you need.
[3:51:04] That's what I was expecting from this kind of a check dress.
[3:51:10] It was done the way you would expect.
[3:51:14] At least it was supplemented.
[3:51:17] That's the main thing.
[3:51:18] That's good.
[3:51:20] Supplemented.
[3:51:21] We ended up with 734.
[3:51:24] I never seemed to think it was that well.
[3:51:32] Even if you take a guy who's an athlete and you bring him in here, he never has a single name.
[3:51:36] He gets the first name.
[3:51:40] And then a lot of what we wanted couldn't come.
[3:51:43] Well, sure, because they had to read the show.
[3:51:44] They actually got shows.
[3:51:45] I don't feel like you pull out a lot of those things.
[3:51:49] I'm glad that part of it we kind of get it.
[3:51:52] We covered a lot of ground.
[3:51:55] And now we're covering a lot of people around.
[3:51:56] And we're one of the poorest people, the poorest people that I've signed to.
[3:52:00] So it's not a good thing.
[3:52:02] It's not a good thing on the ground.
[3:52:04] It's pretty bad on the ground.
[3:52:13] You know, I wanted to talk to you about a very interesting talk with Billy Graham.
[3:52:26] He talked to me just now.
[3:52:30] And it may be that what he says will be an interesting...
[3:52:36] ...probably more about Bob... ...all about internet... ...technology... ...technology... ...technology... ...technology...
[3:53:07] They didn't say what.
[3:53:12] They didn't say what.
[3:53:14] They created that mystery.
[3:53:18] Maybe she was complaining that...
[3:53:34] Especially, well, the president has a history of bottoming off.
[3:53:38] Even if he doesn't, I told him I cut him off for that.
[3:59:25] It's undoubtedly true, undoubtedly true that they have made 500, I don't know, fighters and the kind of stuff that a clever campaign organization just hides.
[3:59:41] They caught up with the clever campaign organizations.
[3:59:44] You can't play choppers games nowadays.
[3:59:48] But none of us feel like it's a good story here.
[3:59:51] I don't have any degree of question.
[3:59:53] The problem is, that was done in the back, and they struck down.
[3:59:57] They found it.
[3:59:57] And there's no way you can not report it.
[4:00:00] It goes into the income tax stuff and everything else.
[4:00:04] All we need to do is lie about some squabble pay and find ourselves...
[4:00:10] Cut it.
[4:13:22] It's very, very different right now than it was then.
[4:13:31] There's ways in which you can exploit the advantages of your comments.
[4:13:41] This is day and day out.
[4:13:43] Yeah, and day out is day out.
[4:13:44] But you can't really say any one thing has a very decisive effect.
[4:13:49] Well, I chose to run the NDA because it was so, you know, they're going to get it in society.
[4:13:59] something that even I made a people in the federal parks in the summer time.
[4:14:02] And every one of them this summer will be handed.
[4:14:05] This is the main parks that people go to here.
[4:14:08] Talks about the tremendous progress the president makes in the legacy of the parks.
[4:14:15] The people going to the parks care about the parks.
[4:14:18] Everyone gets handed that one.
[4:14:20] That's good.
[4:14:22] It's all the stuff that used to frustrate the Jesus out of us.
[4:14:25] Yeah, we don't do it.
[4:14:26] No, we're putting, there's a mailer in every social security number on this one that quotes your message on the project which is getting .
[4:14:40] to every social security person to pay for it.
[4:14:42] The bank clean and mailer thing, it only goes to the people who are bad at it.
[4:14:47] We sent out seven and a half million dollars in the year 50 of the anniversary statement on Amherst today.
[4:15:00] We couldn't do those in 1968.
[4:15:02] And if you had told a guy like J.O.T.
[4:15:05] in 1968 just to come back to that example, he wouldn't have done it for us, but he would be more happy to speak to us.
[4:15:12] The television in the United States is picking up that telephone message right now.
[4:23:50] Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, it's like we're going to get caught eventually with the way I'm playing.
[4:23:56] Welfare Department, I think, is sharing.
[4:23:57] Yes, it's really kind of amazing.
[4:23:59] That's nice.
[4:24:03] No, I have never, I have never said no to anybody except to Bill Schultz, but the United Welfare Department is losing.
[4:24:11] And so therefore, we're going to stay right where we are.
[4:24:17] Some of the things we're
[4:24:20] And they said, I really don't have to tell you.
[4:24:21] You can still lose everything.
[4:24:22] The law is going to screw it up.
[4:24:23] The Lord has told Buchanan this morning that he's with us all the way in Tennessee.
[4:24:26] Well, he's about to announce it in the early hours of the city.
[4:24:28] All right, well, listen to me.
[4:24:31] He says that your veterans, they said, will be able to prevent what they were going through.
[4:24:40] Who says this?
[4:24:41] Kevin Phillips.
[4:24:41] He's got an article coming in here and there.
[4:24:46] My veterans came to see me.
[4:24:51] That was in 1939.
[4:24:54] I don't think so.
[4:24:54] I don't think so.
[4:24:55] I don't think so.
[4:24:55] I don't think so.
[4:24:56] I don't think so.
[4:24:56] I don't think so.
[4:24:57] I don't think so.
[4:24:57] I don't think so.
[4:25:00] I don't think so.
[4:25:02] I don't think so.
[4:25:03] I don't think so.
[4:25:04] I don't think so.
[4:25:08] I don't think you could base a campaign.
[4:25:10] Well, I'll tell you what, I get my stuff.
[4:25:11] Maybe Chuck and I get, I'm basing my own reactions too much on that.
[4:25:13] And I do have to read now the number of elections, a quick survey.
[4:25:20] And maybe this doesn't seem true, and it shouldn't, because it is something that should bend over in other ways.
[4:25:30] It should bend over and see how much it does, the scale stuff.
[4:30:39] Are you going to talk to these people or not?
[4:30:46] I'm just trying to greet them and cross them off to the consignor places because there's nothing to say to them.
[4:30:51] They don't have anything to do with it.
[4:30:55] I'm sorry.
[4:30:56] He was telling me that he'd be considering the National Association of Candidates.