On June 22, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, Ronald L. Ziegler, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Charles W. Colson, and Gordon C. Strachan met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:40 am to 11:25 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 344-014 of the White House Tapes.
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It's really very good that John and I have met at the present time on another matter, but he, I'm glad he's attending.
He's our people all the time.
The NEA, if they should get back to that freedom, they're supposed to be there when they're out on the streets.
Really, if you sit around and sign autographs,
So we're doing a lot of
things that I just wouldn't put my head in.
It's a very good idea.
Sure.
But it does show presidential interest.
And I guess I don't have, I don't know.
They can't.
Did NEA say you ignored it that morning?
NEA is basically a public organization.
She's a part of the future.
There are lots of our friends, you know, people of color.
The establishment of running these organizations don't control all their members, so their members see us kind of worried and wonder about the consequences of this mess all the time.
See?
That's absolutely right.
That's why cabinet officers should go, you know, family.
But the family thing is a weapon that we are using to create the effectively for the last year.
As a matter of fact, we do it there ever since the Whitties.
We have to realize the...
It's really ineffective.
We hold them so well.
It's just like anything else.
The more they do, the better they do it.
Yeah.
And the more value they have, because they build their own celebrity value in the process, they build their importance becomes more established.
Well, I'm just getting ready for this.
Let me ask this.
In the handling of the budget that I run, Dicker's advice, and I think it's very good, is to stay right with the disabled, actually, because there's actually a budget amount to add to that.
The question that we'll ask, was there any White House involvement?
And the way that they've prepared themselves on the White House, I'm not sure if there was any White House involvement, or if they're lying.
I don't think it's happened.
with my own staff, well, that's too much of an obvious in my opinion.
I think you should just be saying that there's no one else involved.
Or is that, did they phrase that?
I'm just trying to think whether...
I don't know, but it may be that they're concerned that there's... No?
The only question is whether technically that puts you in a...
In a position of comment?
Well, no, in a spot in the sense that...
On a direct basis, while you're asking about it, I think you're absolutely correct.
No question.
The only thing is that you can get it in the sense that Hunt was involved.
And Hunt was a consultant for the White House.
At the time, he was in.
Yeah.
Say it again.
Well, that's the only line in the White House you've got.
There are other people that are former White House people who could at some point become involved.
Or maybe I'm mistaken.
But they weren't.
They aren't White House members.
Yeah.
Hi.
Hello.
Hi, Bob.
Could you know we're going to buckle forward at 3 o'clock?
Thank you.
Uh, let me ask one question, uh, that, uh, uh, in, in, in my, in my, in my, in my, in my intentions of this thing.
Well, uh, this is a great way to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to,
Now, the only thing I would say, the only question I can press on is whether or not I think I should say no, but I don't know.
I notice that you say, well, nothing has been happening here .
I don't want to say that.
Is that what you've been saying, Mark?
Yeah, I know, but he's not quite as a .
Yeah, I'm tracking.
I'm tracking.
No.
No.
Fine.
Fine.
I'll just say it.
Mr. Ziggler's covered that.
How's that?
I think I'm just leaving then.
You don't have any stories.
Mr. Ziggler's there.
Okay.
Yeah, well, I don't think I'll get into it, though.
What do you think?
Do you want me to?
No, no.
But it's a nice thing to have that you are sometimes saying, well, I don't know, I don't know.
Maybe you don't want to have to spend too much time with the other side.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just beg your attention.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank God.
Now, I think I'll just say, well, Mr. Zipper, here's part of that.
So he said he'd been asked whether Colson was involved.
He was asked about Hunt and said he left the White House three months ago.
He said he was asked about Colson at the third station, left Jacksonville, and he was not involved.
I mean, it's a great respect for him.
I mean, it's for me to get into it.
And they bring up another story.
The president said it was White House not involved.
Denies White House involvement.
Denies, yes, that's right.
That's the one that...
Or concerns.
They're playing it so irresponsibly.
What?
They're playing it so irresponsibly in the attempt to make a White House thing out of it.
I quote the story today, which you probably saw, where the headline says, White House, he disappears.
Yes.
or the White House 8 missing in that case or something.
And they go into it.
You have to read down 10 paragraphs.
The former White House left, yeah.
He was also a former... Dave O'Hara.
It doesn't say O'Hara in the 8th.
He disappeared.
Somebody ought to call him.
I know you are.
But it took one to... Let me say this, though.
I don't think this is a big, big country to start in the country somewhere.
It's not.
I've read the news already, but I'm not going to get cluttered up before the press conference on it.
Well, let me tell you, it was completely off the TV test.
Let me tell you something about this.
It's kind of a statement on Europe for a reaction.
Mark, correct me if I'm wrong.
But I, you know, it's a Washington son-of-a-bitch story.
Plus, what's happened to it is the American is so fucked up that everybody's laughing about it.
Well, the point is, the New York Times is also this crazy goddamn kid.
This association for the Americans, a right-wing anti-cash group in Cuba, in Miami, actually, and checked into the bank there.
The Cuban thing is still... Now let me ask you this.
I have a very strong feeling, because it's a personal thing, and because these statements are horrible to me, the revulsion of Sue Anderson.
No, I'm pretty positive.
The reason for it, he was not involved in this.
Huh?
No, but Anderson didn't say he was.
Well, that's made a difference.
He says that's got no play except the Anderson broadcast.
And what Anderson said is true.
That's the best defense against Lytle when Anderson's smart enough to know that.
Bob did the Lytle way anyway.
I read that, and I said, that is liable.
I could prove, I could win that case any damn day.
The evidence was written.
It's an indication the proposal was tied up with this group that broke in there.
I mean, it's very, uh...
I'm thinking also put them off on another trail.
So if they sued somebody, Roboto sues them.
I'm not sure we need it now.
We're in pretty good shape.
Today's news is all good.
In the first place, we've got Judge Ritchie for the civil case.
The civil case has been the worrisome.
Well, the Democrats outsmarted themselves.
They made a fatal legal error.
They filed a suit on behalf of all Democrats.
Thereby disqualifying any Democratic judge from hearing.
He was a party to the cause.
So the next judge up was a Democratic judge and would have been the one assigned to the case.
He had to disqualify himself on technical grounds because he's a part of the party to the plea.
And then the one up after that was Judge Ritchie, who was a very solid, very... And for us, programmable, and knows exactly what's going on.
And Ritchie has played it just beautifully.
They intended to, well, not in public, but they intended to move him immediately on depositions.
That was their tactic.
So Edward Bennett Williams was in yesterday afternoon and stomping and banging the walls in Richie's chambers and everything and Richie just calmly said he was busy the rest of this week.
He would meet with them on Monday to discuss the question of when to
decide when to start the timing on setting dates for activity and so on.
In other words, he's just going to let it fiddle along forever.
And he knows, he understands it.
There's no point in giving this to him.
He also knows and uses the possibilities that we have in the world.
And he'll entertain all sorts of delaying motions and all that.
Well, another thing I think has been good, Bob, is that night, I must say, it was incredible.
He must have gotten the word from over there to get out of the thing.
Our security gets the fact that papers are missing.
We're going to have a whole series of that.
Also, it's true, yes.
Things have been stolen.
Yeah, let me put it that way.
They're not really commencing any acts, but they think there's enough, you know... Well, Bob, they know damn well.
Mr. Buck, he always... Sure.
Chip, we tweaked every hotel room.
That's the other thing.
I thought that the stories this morning, even in the post, the idea that everybody's worried about Buckingham and we're doing this, and also the fact that
Larry O'Brien says that Anderson had papers from his office.
Well, now, this puts Anderson in the booking business.
That's right.
You're right.
Sure.
I think that's great.
And Anderson now is denying that he got the stuff from these people, but he said, of course, I got it from an inside source.
Yeah, see Anderson?
Well, there's the whole thing.
See, my part is, I just want to see that Pulitzer Prize written by one columnist.
We've got another thing going, which has taken hold a little bit, which is we started moving on the hill, letting him come out from there, which is that this whole thing is a Jack Anderson thing.
Jack Anderson, and that's what the Hill guys think, that this is, and they're starting to move that around now.
And we started the rumor yesterday morning, and it's starting to come back already.
The what?
The Anderson?
That Jack Anderson has put all this together.
He was bugging the Democratic offices, and, you know, Bruce or something.
Oh, yeah.
Because these humans are tied to him, these are agency cues, and now he's trying to do a diversionary cover-up by putting on this other thing, and all this stuff.
So, it's
The great thing about this is it is so totally fucked up and so, so badly done that nobody believes that we could have done it.
That's right.
I know.
It's just beyond comprehension.
Well, it is.
It sounds like a comic-con movie.
It really does.
It would make a funny goddamn movie.
You know, here's these children with their accents.
Rubber gloves and standing there.
well-made, they're expensive, well-made business suits, wearing rubber gloves, and put their hands up and shouting, don't shoot, when the guys come in.
It really is like a comic novel.
Also, they have no case on time.
Right.
Because there is no case in there.
They have not been able to make him.
They can't put him into the scene at all.
We know where he was though.
But they don't.
The FBI doesn't.
That's right.
They've pursued him and been unable to tie him in at all to the case.
What about the disappearance?
So there's no come back?
Well, they've got no warrant for him, so they don't care whether he disappeared.
He hasn't disappeared.
He has disappeared.
Yeah, but the hunt then is beginning to run out.
The legal people, the FBI, who are running the investigation, have no, there's no way to fix Hunt on the case.
They've issued no warrant for him.
They don't care whether he disappears or not.
The only thing there is, is his name is in the phone book, in the guy's address book, but there's so is the hotel clerk's name, and a lot of other things.
The proposal's name and everything with the address book.
I don't know.
Another thing is he doesn't know his name.
No, he doesn't.
He told me he doesn't know anything.
He doesn't know.
He does know Suarez, but he doesn't know.
Well, Suarez is one of the biggest contractors in Florida.
But he doesn't know anything.
Suarez, I think, built that big tall building that he just came, you know, that would accommodate.
I think that's where he is.
Another good break is they can't trace the currency.
They just traced it to a Miami bank.
They traced it to Miami bank, which is, that's easily done.
But the bank cannot trace the thing beyond that.
They may, they're not required to and they don't maintain any record of where, you know, who takes when it's $100 bills.
If it's bigger denominations, they have to keep a record that at $100 bills they don't, so they don't have anything else.
And that's interesting because $100 bills are so common these days, I guess.
A lot of people carry $100 bills, I guess.
Whatever it is, they don't maintain a record, so there's no way to trace the sources of funds.
Even if there were, it wouldn't be a very great problem.
Unless it could go two more steps, because the funds came from a money order from a South American company.
So...
They did it?
Yeah.
Well, that's good.
Well, if they got to that step, then they might be able to get to the South American country and find out where the money order came from, and that isn't good.
But up to that point, we're all right.
And they can't even go to the next point, so we're okay on that.
They're going to continue to crank up the Cuban operation.
I mean, that's the tie-in.
Well, the investigation's leading to looking to other Cubans and that kind of thing.
These guys are alive in some other enterprises that we don't care about.
There's a lot of tie there, and that means still a pretty good story as long as they don't get deceived.
The thing we forget is that we know too much, and therefore read too much into what we see that other people can't read into.
I mean, what seems obvious to us because of what we know, is the network's main thing, that they would have played it to be held.
because they thought they had something wrong, but they maintained that it is a human thing, and even though that's a fellow historian, they say, oh, shit.
Well, plus that might help us, because what the humans are going to say, and are starting to say, is that they're scared to death that we'll govern.
Are they, again, did anybody start to say that?
Yes.
Well, good.
How can I do that?
Well, they've got some people to put that, a doctor or somebody.
Oh, they're saying, oh, yeah.
Well, I think they should say that.
That's right.
Just so it's done, I see.
But they're getting that one.
Look, the registered Democrats.
Good.
I don't know, for my purposes, if they're...
So at this point, it's looking pretty good.
And the one thing they are thinking about doing, which we can do with very easy cover, no problem, just for safety's sake, is to get Lydia out of the country.
And I'll just have him go over to Europe and be checking on some of our financial contributions.
Fundraising to Fundraising Driving Europe.
In your favor.
You mean the idea that they're not after him?
Not yet, but it just, they figured, he's moved around, they sent him to LA, he's been out working on some business there, and as a routine matter, go to your event, just as well, if something does surface, not to have him around, or have to move it after it does, and then they can wait and see if we want it back, and see if we can bring it back.
I have a question.
I have a question.
Well, the way they can let somebody talk gets somebody shot, which is still a potential.
Now, they're leaving McCord in jail to keep an eye on the other guys and make any contact with them at all.
And the guys don't, they don't want to get them out to jail.
Apparently, they'd rather leave them in right now.
They'd probably go home.
I don't think they'd care.
And it's, for a lot of reasons, it's better off in jail than it is.
It's better for school and better, you know, for marketing.
I didn't even cover it last night in NBC.
It's in this paper, sure.
But yeah, Scripps Howard is quoting unnamed sources in Miami and saying they believe the Biden regime is spying on the Democrats out of fear that the Democratic president might seek accommodation in Manchester.
That's
We're going to have to tighten up on the security business.
He said he was going to be seeing Bob today.
He covered it with him, but he was sure it was worth it.
You know, I could look up the House and think of it, but I think it's just not good.
I think it's better not to, and I really think he has said that he'd rather stay over at the Inn, that it's a better set up.
He's at the House, he certainly feels he's got to stay around there.
He goes to the Inn.
You know, he goes to the Houses and talks to the general, but he enjoys it.
He likes to bump out on the secretaries and the aides and all that.
Yeah.
Thank you.
You know, I sure hope you can find that place over in the hallway in some place, because that last weekend, it was boring.
I'll take it.
For the first time in a while, we've got to have a place where we've got to have a private house.
And even there, I don't know if it's true.
Because what will happen is people will walk to the beach.
That's right.
You know, we've got to.
You've got two of the most unique places in the world, and the two that you own.
Anybody else, if you get a private house on the beach.
I can go to a private consulate and trinkets.
I can go to Market Bronx and trinkets.
I have total privacy.
I can walk out on the beach and lie out in the sun for an afternoon, go for a swim, go surfing, do anything I want to do to go out, and there's no problem.
But if you walk out of there and onto the beach, there'd be 5,000 people gathered by the time you get out of the United States.
But you also want to explore the United States.
There must be, when you get down into the bay, areas where you can take the Sequoia, or I don't mean to take it from here, but you know, and swim off of the boat, you know, and we often do that at Key Biscayne, you know, some of the houses built down there.
You know, it's key, and so on.
Boats, if you get what I mean.
Sure.
Take your beach along.
What I was thinking was take the Sequoia down to a nice place, a helicopter down to it, and get on the Sequoia, and let the night swim off the boat, you know, and so forth.
That just might be an idea.
Riding the Sequoia down the river is not much of a, and riding a boat all night isn't much, because I just have to go to the boat, if it were a yacht, I would.
But the river is, but I'm thinking about getting the Sequoia to the bay,
Which is Saltwater.
Huh?
Well, why don't you check that?
Yeah.
See if there's a good bay area for you.
Yeah.
That might be an idea.
Yeah.
But you just don't think there's a house down there.
Well, I don't know.
It has to be a very wealthy person, you know, and a hell of a lot of people.
And there may be one.
There may be somebody's estate where they've got three miles of isolated beach.
You know, it's possible.
...in some place where they've got about a mile in the way of the beach that we do have two unique places.
California is unbelievable with the fact that they're being next to that emergency station.
So you have it one side, but on the other side you tell them that you can put a guard there.
And also the other side around the nice people.
But you can never, no matter how nice they are, you can never count on them.
Like San Paolo down at Oceanside, they're all nice people.
But if you went down there, even the nice people are a problem.
Even Marshall.
And you've got the whole business of picture taking, you know, where people get their cameras with the long lenses.
No, I mean to get pictures of you in your bathing suits.
Oh, yeah.
Or, you know, stumbling in the ocean or something.
And they love to sell them.
You probably have a question thing in here.
I don't know how plainly it is.
The point came up with the problem of Claire's position, which you reiterated again yesterday, and in a sense made it worse.
And, you know, he says he won't support Sol unless he gets right in the D1 position.
full funding, which has created some confusion because the state position, the White House position, have meant that we must go ahead with these programs.
But we've specifically stated at UM that they are not hinged one to the other.
They are both essentially parallel.
They're parallel, but not tied.
He has tied them over and over.
How applied or not?
Because in the Chiefs' minds, they are tied.
Because the deal that was cut with the Chiefs was that we would go for the others, which we are going for.
But we are not publicly saying that we have to have one in order to have the other.
We're not publicly saying, look, you've got to give us one or don't give us the other.
We can't, but Laird is.
Worse is the confusion that Laird is raising by he's announced his $5 billion supplemental
for the increased activity in Vietnam, to maintain the increased activity in Vietnam through December 31st at the present level.
The problem that creates is the obvious one of telling people that you're going to keep on at this level for six more months.
What OMB is arguing for, and NSC supports them in this, is that we do have to go for a supplemental.
It would not be credible not to.
But that it should be a smaller supplemental and should be tied to increased activity in Vietnam through September 30th.
So that we don't sound like we're going to go on forever at this rate.
And they have enough in that to carry it through the election.
If we still do want to maintain this level, there's ways of doing it through.
We're not going to have to do the election, so that we won't have kids whining down.
But the thing that's gone all over the wall is that Larry went out and
to December 31st without consulting with anybody here, or they didn't know what to do with me, and that's what the press reported about us.
And so it's like, you're a kind of problem maker.
You may get, well, you can put that into a foreign policy question, couldn't you?
That's budget, because it is war in Vietnam.
It's just foreign policy.
Well, that's what I would do unless we deal with it.
I don't think it is.
I think they need to work it out and then knock it down.
If you knock it down, you're going to have to deal with it.
It's working on me.
This is part of the problem here, and I agree with you.
Henry would be stomping around with a gun.
He has to do it his own way.
He's working on it.
He's stomping around.
Now the other bit of interesting news, which is good, is that McGregor had a session with Wilbur Mills and John Bernchester.
And Mills said he will not prevent any extraneous amendments
the death ceiling fell and considers the social security increase which the church is going to put on it in the Senate an extraneous amendment and he will not take it.
And he's prepared to bottle the bill up and if it comes in from the Senate with that amendment on it, he will hold it in committee.
And he will not put it out of committee.
He'll hold it right on through the expiration of the debt ceiling and everything else.
Sure.
And then of course.
He will join, and Long, of course, takes the same view.
Don't let anything muddy it up.
And he says, you've got the longs, because you have the up and down on that.
Don't let the Congress get you into thinking that Congress isn't about to let the debt ceiling go off the hook.
So what do you want me to say about that?
At that point, I think you'd probably say you want to clean the debt ceiling.
I don't know.
If they don't have an answer, we'll get one.
No, no, don't, Christ, I don't want to rush in here to the last minute with stuff that they can't afford.
The other point that Mills told them is that he will not take a Social Security increase of any kind at any level, 20% or 10% now, 10% later, or anything else, unless it provides for funding and for funding on a permanent basis, not a trust fund basis.
In other words, he will insist upon a tax increase
to go with the Social Security increase in the same piece of notice, or he won't take the Social Security increase.
Now, they're not sure he'll hang tight on that, but McGregor said he was totally unequivocal, positive in the way he said it yesterday, with Dr. Beckham.
So, he felt we were in pretty good shape on that one, too.
Yeah.
go to the final vote in the House today will carry people along.
Yeah.
What if the prosecution is certain?
I'm not sure.
You saw the daily, the report on daily at the Mayor's Congress.
He went all out.
And apparently it was super effective.
We had the bullets before that.
Incidentally, Pete Wilson has turned into a real star.
He was our cleanup hitter.
They had five Democrats on it, but Bubba conceded.
He was our plan.
He was also our serve, our coordinator.
As in, all our guys who have been down there working the conference say that he really came through.
He did a hell of a job in his speech, but he also did a superb formatting.
Yeah, totally reversed what was interesting.
That's why the times that were headed last year, the 5,000, the right column.
That's right.
Very well.
This time they dropped it down.
They put it in the first place below the fold on the first page.
You know about it.
You notice it.
And what they said to every person, I mean, Jesus Christ, they might just fall apart.
But anyway, what I've got to say, that's a hell of a change in opinion.
It's a change in mayor's opinion.
And it's a strong, what our guys said is that Pete's work had locked it up.
We had about a two to one vote in favor of Nixon.
And they suspended the rules to let Daley speak, because they had already done the five speakers.
Daley demanded the court to suspend the rules on the 21st program.
They suspended the revised rule and let Daley speak.
And Daley gave this impassioned plea, shouting, and she says, I'll do anything to get a Republican president out of the White House.
But by God, he's our president.
war you know he's doing the right thing he's getting us out of the war and for god's sake stand behind the president and just brought down the rafters and this is a Rizzo deserves some credit for that Rizzo was maneuvering with David
The thing that's exciting to me about this is that it's evidence, little bits and pieces, that we've got some machine working that's actually working on the Democratic side and on the Republican side at the sort of gut political level where we always seem in the past to have been helpless.
Or you remember Bob, even?
Even our coverage of such asshole organizations in the Republican government is common.
Every time one was held, the story was virtually always negative.
The last year, we turned that around.
We had those locked.
But remember, we used to send, well, basically, we had to face the record.
We sent what?
We sent a job.
We sent other things.
And we just don't know how to play the game.
We've got a better team now.
We really do.
And it's just damn encouraging to see that.
But don't you agree also that it helps?
Oh, of course it does.
Don't you think so?
There's no question.
And this thing, now they're reading enormous significance into the fact that Daley just met with McGovern.
And coming right off, practically right off the meeting with McGovern, Daley goes down to the mayor's conference and just knocks the balls off of McGovern's war position.
that says, for God's sake, stand behind our president.
That leaves Montgomery in a pretty crappy place.
He did the summit work one day.
Very sick.
Clark says that when he called, and I called him, and left him an understatement.
I said, Mike.
He said, good morning, Mr. President.
Very, very laid off.
Thank you.
I've done this one.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
You come out from understatement, and you don't know what the whole time of day is.
You have not been really up to par at all.
You can't do much.
I'll give you five days.
Next up.
All right.
That's good.
Gallop.
0-2-6-1-2-9-1.
Hello.
They're going to release the presidential popularity on Sunday.
It'll be 60-32.
Their headline will be, The President's Popularity Remains High.
They also ran a trial in Eastern Ohio.
That's pretty damn good.
It's not realistic.
It's not even that significant.
The other one, 6132, it's 6132.
Like, no, no change.
Well, you dropped the announcement.
I mean, even some, by the convention, you dropped 55.
The point is interesting, because the other was right in the flush with the Sullivan announcement in the middle of it.
This is now, with Russia two weeks behind us, and that of the United States.
19 to 19, just before the New York Prime Minister passed, when he was ever done with the armistice.
And he should recover quite a bit.
I'm not so sure of trial.
I don't know.
I just can't believe it.
Harris was there, though.
He was there.
He was after Russia?
Yeah.
It was a week after Russia.
Well, 10 days, I think so.
No, he came after the Russia.
He came the weekend.
The weekend, not the weekend we got back from Russia.
The following weekend.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
June 8th.
So he's only a week before that.
I don't think he's going to show Gallup and show a hell of a lot of people.
But we have to stay over anyway a couple of days.
We'll have to stay over for a good sentence anyhow.
What?
For a good sentence.
What other sentence?
I'm not going to be back before that.
Roy Wilkins was talking to Carol yesterday.
He said, I just want you to know that I have...
There's been great policy differences in this administration.
You're absolutely wrong on busing.
I think you're wrong on this welfare defense.
I would like you to know that the government is scared to do that.
Now, John told me a little about it.
Why he scared you?
He said, no, I hear it.
He said, my main reason he scares me is because he scares me so much.
Really?
Which is kind of interesting.
I don't know that he wanted to beat up Jonathan.
What do you think?
I think that a guy like Wilkins, who is an advocate and all that, is nonetheless a basically fairly intelligent guy.
He's a very intelligent guy.
Wilkins is very intelligent.
And I can't think that anybody who's intelligent can help him be scared by himself.
Because he knows he's going to go so far, he's going to screw everything up.
They know that the world inspects blacks.
They know.
Well, they disagree with you on a question.
They think you're wrong.
They honestly do.
And they don't think you've done enough on housing and nutrition, and they know you never will.
But they also know, they can't say it publicly, but they know you've done a hell of a lot more in terms of actual progress than anybody else has ever even thought of doing.
And that I'm fair, and that you're fair.
You've done something, and then we've done something like, even though this little program of private enterprise marketing.
Well, and they know when you tell them.
At least when you say you're against busing.
And fight for it.
You don't say, I'm for busing and then make sure it gets killed somewhere.
And also, we provided the jobs for them.
We provided them.
We've done a lot of good things for them.
So really, if you were a Negro, you would be like they are.
What they did last time.
Cardinal.
You know, she didn't move from Cardinal.
and it took three hours, of course, to sort of a pocket full of sentences, and it's supposed to have a picture, a story, and a carton of stone, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper,
You look at that period in our history, and how brutal it was, you know, there are two sides to this, and there are red men.
That's why the wall is very vicious, and it's going to be against us, and all the red men will go around and stir up people, and it's a terrible hatred, and it's a bad, bad attitude, and it's going to be the old men who are responsible.
Well, we all have anti-pollution integration.
We've argued that well.
That's the other thing, because when the demagogues do a cold play, the demagogues tell these people, you know, jobs now, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And all of a sudden, they start a mess.
And that's where it's the white stuff.
So it's reverse and reverse.
So it's very important to have a moderate course in a personal way.
You never have any, you know, you never have...
the issue that here you have a pregnant woman with a delirium.
Now the other thing that matters is that there is a lack of education.
There's a lack of child elevators that go in and through at the school.
And the blacks have a significant problem in catching up.
That has to take a hell of a long time.
It's a hell of a long time.
It is 10% of the students, say this about many kids, Midwestern, Southern, High School, and so forth, that go to a school like Harvard or Princeton.
A white kid goes to class on her own in Barrier High School in the center of Iowa.
The second fourth kid over there goes to Harvard, and so forth, and so forth.
And he ends up in a class, and so forth,
I saw that happen in one of the last few weeks.
Everybody was, the stars and everything, they were all fighting to camp an edge.
All of the English leaders, all of their men had an edge.
And I did not just camp a blue, I camped a blue.
And, uh, grades.
Yeah.
Well, it was a terrible blow.
It was a terrible blow.
All accounts were shared.
You know, the bomb, and they got on a bad track.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Some don't have it.
Some simply have the ability to go so far.
They have a hell of a lot of guys, for example, that can be a very effective mayor in the common.
But it might not be a good mayor in New York.
The problem is that here it's a whole business.
are black, white, and still in space, but there is a real problem, a genetic problem.
Genetically, it's the cause of life.
It's a plan.
We can't ever say it.
It's too bad you can't say it.
Face up to that and deal with it realistically.
You'd be a hell of a lot better off.
That's right.
And then deal with the problem.
Genetically, you've got a real problem there.
But rather than blaming it on somebody,
rather than blaming it on the President of the United States?
Look for Christ's sake.
Come right down to it.
Come right down to it.
Who were more put upon?
The Boston Irish.
So what do they do?
They went into the politics and they went into the church.
So you've got all sorts of Irish cardinals and you've got Irish politicians.
Right?
So they responded to the President of the United States.
Who, for example, are more discriminated against than the Jews?
I saw that happen in my class too.
Everybody was stars in the air.
They were all invited to camp in Anaheim.
All of me was involved in the camp in Anaheim.
But I did not just camp in Luz.
I did camp in Luz.
In Grades.
Yeah.
Well, there was a terrible blow.
There was a big deal.
All of us.
There was a big deal.
The bomb had been made on a bad track.
It was a big deal.
It was a public challenge.
It was a good point to go and find out.
It was a stretch of shit.
Some don't have it, but some simply have the ability to go so far.
There's a hell of a lot of guys, for example, that can be a very effective mayor of a town, but might not be a good mayor in New York.
The problem is that if you're his whole business,
in black, white, and silver and space, that there is a problem, a genetic problem.
Genetically, it's the cause of life.
It's a plan.
We can't always say it, but it's true.
It's too bad you can't say it.
You know, then face up to that and deal with it realistically, and you'll be a hell of a lot better off.
That's right.
And then deal with the problem.
Genetically, you've got a real problem here, but rather than blaming it on sleep,
Instead of claiming it on purpose, right?
Look what Christ said.
Let me know.
Come right down to it.
Come right down to it.
Who were put upon?
The Boston Irish.
So what did they do?
They went into the politics and they went into the church.
So you've got all sorts of Irish cardinals and you've got Irish politicians, right?
So they responded to the presence of that one.
who, for example, are more discriminated against than the Jews.
Now, God damn it.
People don't like Jews.
There's people like Herb Bozor and Edison.
I think there's no difference of view with them.
But what does the Jew do?
Well, of course, the Jew will replace him.
He's already asked himself, not like people against him, but like he's against them.
Nevertheless, he should look to himself.
That's your fault.
Nevertheless.
The Jew has responded to discrimination, not by becoming more inferior, but becoming superior to those who discriminate against him.
That's because he has the equipment to do that.
And to ask my question, there is equipment there.
And the black, the black compounds it.
Some blacks have the equipment.
But some of them, the blacks generally at this time do not develop it at all due to the fact that they are told
that the reason for America's failure is not lack of equipment, but it's due always, that every black person has equipment, but it's because of the fact that he is a slave.
And because of that, slavery, prejudice, and arrest, society owes him not only equal opportunity, but above equal opportunity, and we should go on.
And that's where you're doing the disturbance.
You put him beyond where he's able to perform competitively with the light.
What can I do to help?
And you've got to give this question to your clients.
They've got to give this question to their clients.
They've got to give this question to their clients.
They've got to give this question to their clients.
They've got to give this question to their clients.
Absolutely.
From a political standpoint, they're a liability.
From a financial standpoint, we don't need it.
And don't worry about the finances.
Frankly, I think maybe we ought to find a way to give the $10 million back.
And really keep that for us.
I guess we could.
some things that we have nothing to do with.
I noticed there was a thing yesterday, a guy in Bethlehem Steel or something like that who said he was launching a big program of businessmen speaking out, traveling and spending their time.
They've got a campaign against McGovern and this sort of thing against McGovern.
I had a lot of other happening against McGovern.
Is there an area?
Why we're against McGovern?
Because for us, it doesn't do any good to say there's 20 richest men in America for Nixon.
They think, well, some rich men are correct.
They ought to say, we're against McGovern and leave out the business reasons and say, why, this tax proposal would hurt the middle classes.
It would hurt our defenses and all that sort of thing.
I just, you agree with me on that.
I sure do.
Absolutely.
I just think that, I just think they've got to be told.
That's why I told you.
What is it that we can control if we ever got that position done in this way?
I think you just said a little bit, but I think I've approved it.
I've approved it.
I've approved it.
And I'm not going to sit up there and talk.
I know what all the problems are.
It's hard to approve those rules.
We're getting the re-staffing completed by 11 and a half.
If you're the president, you're going to sign it at 11 o'clock.
And no more bullshit.
We've got to have it.
We've got to.
Okay.
Re-staffing it.
It's a hard thing to do.
I know the domestic count is all about this goddamn thing.
But I know that some people with religious questions.
or for other reasons.
And that's perfectly honorable.
That's what bothers me about this.
I may be wrong.
I actually suspect that they are intentionally trying to just stall us so that it gets past polls so that then after you've done with polling and said what did you get, now we're going to throw pressure into it.
I've already stated the position.
I think we're in a bureaucratic stall on purpose.
And
Because I blew it open at the staff meeting this morning again because then I purposely did it by indirection.
I jumped on one person because it was supposed to be out on an OMB letter.
It was supposed to be out on Tuesday morning and he got back.
And I said, here it is Thursday morning.
One person says, I didn't even know there was supposed to be one until 3.30 yesterday afternoon when you're coming to your office calling me.
I said, John's?
They're supposed to be put into the IO field and they bottle it up.
Or do whatever and done.
John said this morning, he had approved it, it was all set to go.
They were back dating it to yesterday so that it wouldn't look like it is under today.
Now look, I am not, I am not going to read the fucking paper.
They're not even looking at the paper, they're just doing the O.M.D.
Then they're in or out.
You just tell Rosen to sign it up.
I don't think you need to sign it, just get signed up.
Why do you need to sign it?
I've been around the truck, I've been walking the apartment around this morning.
And apparently they've all agreed to it.
And everybody sat there this morning and said, yeah, it's a good... What it affects us to do, it simply says that we...
It says we don't have any objection to this bill.
And the bill provides a lot.
The O.B.
doesn't.
They are asking for your opinion.
The bill provides a lot.
And we feel there's some better ways to do it.
And we have some suggestions in the background for modification.
There are suggestions that are acceptable.
Nothing's going to happen.
Nothing's going to happen.
Mills was already indicated.
There'll be no tax department selection this year.
And he's right.
And I'm so indicated.
No problem on it at all.
That's why we're out of our freaking minds not to do it.
Make the issue.
Hell yeah.
It doesn't matter what the merits are or anything else.
It's something that just doesn't make any difference.
We've got some people who are just supposed to argue with me, and the world goes parallel.
Well, I don't mind their being opposed to us.
But the other thing that they should not do is try to insert their political judgment about mine.
I have to make new political decisions.
Political disservice, I want the advice, but I don't, I'm an adjunct, the domestic council staff doesn't always fucking ask first base about politicians.
No, they don't.
Jesus Christ, they were the ones that, you know, that went off.
They were on this fucking bussing kit.
Remember?
Bussing's not an issue.
Not an issue.
Remember?
They said it really is.
They proved it.
They pulled out all their phones.
They also say Catholics don't care about their own kids.
That is...
Well, I don't care.
If I all showed you that 99% didn't care, I wouldn't believe it.
Because you know goddamn well there's 4 million Catholic families with kids in parochial schools, and they care about them, or they don't see them.
I don't care.
There's also a whole lot of people who are Catholic.
It's part of it.
care about it, and they will come out for you.
They're that big of a trip for that reason.
For no other reason.
If there's no Catholic family in the country that cares, you still got Cardinal Crowell and Cardinal Cook who care.
And if Cardinal Crowell and Cook are putting together an action organization, which they have, and they say they will put that organization behind you if you put this minimal level of action into the Bells Bell, we're out of our minds not to do it.
There is a squishy quality here.
It runs among the high strung intellectuals that you run into and you know it.
It's pervasive.
It's pervasive.
It's what makes people work hard, and they overwork, and they drain, and they get out of control.
Many of them, I think probably in more cases than none, the public figures are basically both ways.
A lot of people are both ways.
Again, what people do to themselves quietly is up to them.
But if you get back to the sort of legalized way of sexual marriage, which you get...
Thank you.
With regard to this Laird thing, in a way we can say that, I can put it off in terms of a more wholesome question.
Laird made it clear that he was speaking his personal view, and then Ziegler made that point.
Personal view, which is, in a sense, separated.
position for the last i don't think they want you to do anything i think they're trying to get a thing worked out
Bob, what should the president say if he gets a question on the Slayers business and the difference between you and the artist himself?
What about the other questions that the $5 billion for me is not celebrating for you, Senator?
I have to mention that the press is going to say, well, Secretary Lerner has said we have to have $5 billion more for carrying on the increase forward to December 30th.
What's your position?
Do you disagree with it?
I don't think that's what I heard you say.
On the first thing he says, you know, the time of the defense could be one.
He says this is a tactical semantic question.
to move to phase two itself.
We can't go to phase two of the negotiation without being as strong as we were when we went into phase one.
On the Vietnam money, he says you've got to generalize it, that we've got to meet the increased cost of the enemy invasion.
Not the enemy invasion, but that's a, that's part of Larry's, when he figures it out, Larry's offered a reward, and he can just say that's a theoretical, if you're based on a theoretical duration of the war.
And all I can say at this point is we're doing what's necessary for the sport of America.
I can't say that.
I think he got it done.
I wonder what his first foreign policy would say.
I wonder what his first question would be.
I wonder what his first foreign policy would say.
I just have to leave him.
Why don't we have Ziegler?
I mean, who's going to
Thank you.
You almost have to say down when that falls in the category of questions.
That's what I was going to say.
Whether or not Zegers is going to say something about it tomorrow, he's knocked it down.
He can't just say it right.
He's going to have to address himself and he's going to have to look up on elimination.
But he's knocked it as far as they think they can now.
So if you guys say anything, basically I'm going to say it.
I was on my way back when I was...
He's coming all the way.
He's very brave.
He's very brave.
He's very brave.
All right.
Wait a second.
All right.
Colson, please.
Police changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff and the sheriff's office.
The sheriff changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff's office.
The sheriff changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff's office.
The sheriff changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff's office.
The sheriff changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff's office.
The sheriff changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff's office.
The sheriff changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff's office.
The sheriff changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff's office.
The sheriff changed the tax credit
I'm not going to cut off the date because I know that I'm down low.
It's for everybody.
If all agreed, I would change it now.
Chuck said it's okay.
And everybody else has.
This doesn't commit us to anything.
It's a very complicated problem.
They get Schultz in on it.
The only value of this letter at this time is to get on record with the Catholics, and this covers what we want with the Catholics.
Nothing's going to happen, so we're going to change it.
And I just want to say that we're going to walk, we're going to walk, and we're going to walk through this airport.
And we can change our position as long as we don't change our approach.
So I heard you say that we're going to be pure, understand, and so forth.
Without that, we're not going to be protected.
Our general principle is here to ensure that you've got a word with us.
What we've got to do is a more practical operation for the staff.
I think part of the problem with this strategy is that
You put one other person on it.
I don't know.
It's a campaign.
Writing speech.
If you have eight people writing a speech, it'll take you eight days.
If you have one, get them in a day.
That's the way it works, Bob.
These stats are too goddamn big.
They go all around the track over and over again.
They try to drive everybody around.
They want to drive people, and they want to drive you to be considered, but they haven't had a meeting.
They have a meeting and say, well, how do you work this out?
And they have another meeting.
And, you know, 80 men and 80 women.
I know what happens.
I know what happens.
But I don't think they do that.
I'm not trying to give off a serious face.
I'm not trying to give off that kind of face.
I'm trying to give off that kind of face.
I'm not trying to give off that kind of face.
where she can't date him.
Ziggler.
He's so confident that, uh...
I doubt there's any sign of his image in an important system.
But what I mean, Ziggler has enormous confidence beyond.
You know, as I can see, as he was talking to me yesterday, he has confidence beyond just being a press man.
He has a lot more than he realizes.
He knows a lot more about the issues and the substance of it.
He has an ulcer.
He has an ulcer.
I mean, this is so vicious.
He breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes.
I know what he goes through.
That's why he also knows, this is tough, that's why I don't ever want to write Henry Harlan.
I don't want to say there's a flashback regarding history.
History's backed up all the time, right?
Yeah, because it's so easy to say, oh, why didn't you say that?
All right, but suppose you put Henry out there every day to handle the foreign policy questions and the events questions that Sigurd has every day.
He'd screw up far more than that Sigurd would.
Sure he would.
He would because he'd know comments on things, and that'd blow up the story.
You know what I mean?
Henry doesn't know what a mind field is.
And he thinks he can dictate to him.
Yeah.
Well, you shouldn't ask me that question.
Yeah.
But he doesn't know many times.
He doesn't know what the hell they're coming at him for.
He doesn't anticipate the next question in case they answer it this way.
You know, Zickers always say, well, I anticipated the right thing to come this way.
Well, if you do that, they'll come at you this way.
Henry never gets it done.
and gets annoyed if you raise the possibility.
Because, well, they shouldn't ask them.
He had to do it day in and day out.
He'd go on and starve when he's got a... Oh, yeah, that's right.
And he's super, like, assimilating.
Assimilating, starving.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I guess he held it, right?
Yeah, like he's got it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
in a sense do that, having been a newsman and being a reporter in a way that Ron can't do.
And also Eisenhower.
And playing on Eisenhower.
Yeah, the president didn't want to do that.
I've been at this event and we haven't been very close to the president for many years.
They're all in one of them.
We've come above that.
I do not have any press conferences for a while.
They don't create some kind of alarm.
They don't light it.
Nevertheless, uh, they got a little of it.
This here, of course, was a crude, smart, and he had the advantage of the present love of his boss.
So how come he'd get the shit out of anybody who, you know, did the love of his boss?
We have to admit, he didn't have much love for any of them before he said what he's got to.
He does.
I mean, I went down there and he called in there.
That's not a very good story.
I guess he is.
He's got it straight on that.
He calls him on a storyboard he knows.
He's got enough of those, you know.