{"conversationCode":"345-019","tapeNumber":345,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-345-019","startDateTime":"1972-06-29T22:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-29T22:25:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Jun-1972","startTime":"6:25 PM","endDate":"29-Jun-1972","endTime":"6:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On June 29, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 6:25 pm. 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Laird\n                       -Defense budget\n\n     1972 campaign\n          -George S. Mcgovern's statement\n               -May 8, 1972 decision\n               -Chou En-lai\n               -Leonid I. Brezhnev\n\n     Foreign relations\n          -South Vietnam\n\n     Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\n     Vietnam negotiations\n          -Preparations for forthcoming press conference\n               -Ceasefire without prisoners of war [POWs] release\n                     -US options\n\n                      -Bombing\n                          -Duration\n\nKissinger left at 6:32 pm.","filename":["345a.mp3","345b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:06:15","tapeEnd":"02:16:45","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"345-018","nextCode":"345-020","tapeTranscriptFile":"345a.mp3,345b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":7748.83,"end":7761.88,"text":"I think we just ignore that pretty much."},{"start":7762.34,"end":7768.62,"text":"You've got to expect a few votes against it."},{"start":7768.74,"end":7771.41,"text":"You didn't get colored."},{"start":7778.35,"end":7788.65,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl bod hynny'n bwysig iawn."},{"start":7789.78,"end":7791.02,"text":"Mae hynny'n bwysig iawn."},{"start":7791.06,"end":7793.66,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl bod hynny'n bwysig iawn."},{"start":7803.69,"end":7807.99,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni ddod i'r rhaglenni ar gyfer hynny."},{"start":7808.03,"end":7814,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni ddod i'r rhaglenni ar gyfer hynny."},{"start":7814.22,"end":7820.48,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni ddod i'r rhaglenni ar gyfer hynny."},{"start":7820.51,"end":7826.47,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni ddod i'r rhaglenni ar gyfer hynny."},{"start":7828.93,"end":7833.33,"text":"Byddai nhw'n cynnig, dwi ddim yn gwybod, misoedd sy'n seiliedig ar ddaear."},{"start":7833.41,"end":7834.81,"text":"Byddai nhw wedi mynd ymlaen."},{"start":7835.39,"end":7838.97,"text":"Byddai nhw'n gallu cynhyrchu 250 mlynedd."},{"start":7838.99,"end":7840.11,"text":"250 mlynedd?"},{"start":7840.13,"end":7845.29,"text":"1,000 mwy o misoedd sy'n seiliedig ar ddaear."},{"start":7845.51,"end":7848.53,"text":"Wrth gwrs, gall y bobl ddim eisiau gwneud hynny o unrhyw fath."},{"start":7848.55,"end":7849.01,"text":"O, mae hynny'n iawn."},{"start":7849.03,"end":7850.57,"text":"Mae hynny'n iawn."},{"start":7850.61,"end":7851.49,"text":"Mae hynny'n iawn."},{"start":7851.53,"end":7852.11,"text":"Mae hynny'n iawn."},{"start":7852.13,"end":7854.97,"text":"Ond os nad ydyn nhw eisiau gwneud hynny, mae hynny'n bwysig yn fwy."},{"start":7855.11,"end":7856.23,"text":"Beth ydyn nhw eisiau ei wneud?"},{"start":7856.3,"end":7856.45,"text":"Rhywbeth."},{"start":7856.52,"end":7857.19,"text":"Rhywbeth nad ydyn ni"},{"start":7863.78,"end":7889.86,"text":"Dwi'n teimlo bod hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n"},{"start":7891.79,"end":7893.99,"text":"Rydyn ni'n gwybod nad yw'r duws yn ategu'r cyfnod ei hun."},{"start":7894.03,"end":7894.37,"text":"Maen nhw'n ategu."},{"start":7894.47,"end":7895.43,"text":"Mae'r leiaf wedi'u cysylltu â'r cyfnod."},{"start":7895.45,"end":7897.21,"text":"Ydych chi'n gweld beth mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7897.27,"end":7897.91,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7897.93,"end":7898.57,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7905.36,"end":7906.6,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7906.62,"end":7908.4,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7909.04,"end":7910.92,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7911.1,"end":7912.42,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7912.44,"end":7913.02,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7913.06,"end":7915.19,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7915.23,"end":7916.45,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7916.47,"end":7917.23,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei ddweud?"},{"start":7917.25,"end":7917.85,"text":"Mae'r Stafod yn ei dd"},{"start":7919.05,"end":7923.51,"text":"Wel, nid wyf yn ymwneud â hynny, ond nid wyf yn ymwneud â'r pethau hynny."},{"start":7923.53,"end":7942.64,"text":"Mae hynny'n dangos iddo fod yn rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth"},{"start":7944.47,"end":7948.19,"text":"Mae'r rhai hyn ddim yn gwneud pethau oherwydd maen nhw wedi llwyddo."},{"start":7948.85,"end":7963.42,"text":"Maen nhw ddim yn gwneud pethau oherwydd rydych chi'n gofyn, maen nhw'n gwneud pethau oherwydd... Yn enwedig, rydyn ni'n cyflawni iddyn nhw, ac maen nhw'n cael rhywbeth y maen nhw eisiau ei gyflawni o'n hun."},{"start":7963.62,"end":7972.39,"text":"Dwi'n dweud wrthych chi, mae'r gwleidyddion yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":7976.03,"end":7979.75,"text":"Mae hynny'n dda."},{"start":7980.13,"end":7982.91,"text":"Mae hynny'n dda."},{"start":7982.95,"end":7983.88,"text":"Mae hynny'n dda."},{"start":8003.05,"end":8012.35,"text":"Wrth gwrs, yr hyn y byddan nhw'n ei ddweud nawr yw bod gennym ni amser i ddod â'r cyllideb."},{"start":8012.37,"end":8013.01,"text":"Wel, nid oes."},{"start":8013.05,"end":8013.53,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8013.59,"end":8014.73,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8014.76,"end":8015.23,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8015.38,"end":8016.98,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8016.99,"end":8017.31,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8017.49,"end":8018.68,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8018.7,"end":8019.02,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8019.16,"end":8019.42,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8019.48,"end":8019.92,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8019.94,"end":8021.68,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8021.72,"end":8022.06,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8022.1,"end":8022.94,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8023.04,"end":8023.54,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8023.56,"end":8024.24,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8024.42,"end":8025.2,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8025.24,"end":8025.46,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8025.6,"end":8026.64,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8027.76,"end":8028.2,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8028.62,"end":8028.92,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8028.94,"end":8029.68,"text":"Nid oes."},{"start":8033.43,"end":8041.81,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":8041.85,"end":8044.78,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":8044.8,"end":8046.64,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":8046.76,"end":8050.56,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":8050.68,"end":8054.3,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":8054.34,"end":8059.78,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":8061.33,"end":8064.37,"text":"Rwy'n credu ein bod ni'n gallu cael hynny ar gyfer y prifysgolion."},{"start":8064.39,"end":8068.73,"text":"Yn ymddiriedolwch y cwestiwn sy'n dod, a fyddwch chi'n stopio'r rhain cyn i chi gael y prifysgolion yn ôl?"},{"start":8068.75,"end":8072.41,"text":"Dydw i ddim yn meddwl y byddwn yn dweud ie."},{"start":8072.47,"end":8073.25,"text":"Dydw i ddim yn meddwl."},{"start":8073.27,"end":8075.19,"text":"Ar hyn o bryd, byddwn yn dweud ne."},{"start":8075.21,"end":8075.77,"text":"Byddwn yn dweud ne."},{"start":8075.79,"end":8080.53,"text":"Yn ymwneud â hynny, byddwn yn dweud ne, ond byddwn yn dweud y byddwn yn dweud y byddwn yn dweud yn ymwneud â hynny."},{"start":8080.65,"end":8084.24,"text":"Yn ymwneud â hynny, byddwn yn dweud ne, ond byddwn yn dweud yn"},{"start":8085.78,"end":8087.34,"text":"Mae'n dda iawn."},{"start":8087.82,"end":8088,"text":"Iawn."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":7575,"end":8205,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger met to discuss the legislative hurdles facing the ratification of the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (SALT), specifically addressing concerns from political critics like Senators Buckley and Goldwater. 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