Nixon, Haldeman & Colson on Watergate and John Mitchell

11:15That hurts him.
11:19We have a lot of Marthalians in this country, not even though she is unintentional.
11:30And I don't think she's going to make lessons for us at all.
11:37There are still a lot of people here.
11:39People of what?
11:41Positive people.
11:42Jesus Christ.
11:45I have to think that's a crud.
11:52I have noticed the way the press is...
12:00I know that.
12:15Everybody knows that.
12:17What I meant is that I have a feeling the way the rest of the press is laying off, they have a feeling that she is the chef.
12:28What do you want?
12:30Well, that's what I mean.
12:36Yeah, that's...
12:36I think they're also making, which is kind of interesting, the way it's getting played, I don't think it's hurting as much as we've been concerned about.
12:47There have been so many political divorces for marital problems.
12:53Tunney's divorced, McCloskey's divorced, Dole's divorced.
12:58There were a couple others.
12:59There's a half of those that go right down the list.
13:01All just, I mean, within the last few months.
13:04And so they just say this is the latest in that stream of blood.
13:09Then they go into a very sympathetic thing about the real problems.
13:12That was the thing that Billy Graham was worried about.
13:14He really felt that there was a problem between Martha and that he could go to the preacher's office and shit.
13:22No problem.
13:22Martha would live with the goddamn when he does.
13:26I mean, John was...
13:30All of them have these problems, you know.
13:56Very agreed with the OSHA.
13:58Of course, he may be trying to go the other way, which is to, in fact, appear to be on Michael's side against John.
14:07Yeah.
14:07I'll take it as a deal.
14:09He's bugging everybody.
14:10Yeah.
45:19Here's the point that I make.
45:21There's another reason too.
45:22It's my thought of building a new establishment.
45:25I want to build a new establishment.
45:28And as I look at these guys, Dan, they're good looking guys.
45:33They're magical.
45:34They've got good voices and the rest.
45:35They're just as smart as Chancellor who's an ass.
45:39Order, order, order, order, order.
45:41So many of the others that we have here.
45:44These guys build our gods.
45:45They're all on the bank.
45:46Every one of them would like to be the next John Chancellor.
45:50Every one of them would like to build one too.
45:51And a lot of them make money locally that even Chancellor may not make.
45:54Some of them.
45:55Well, not many.
45:56There aren't any very good ones.
45:58A couple of them make that kind of money.
46:02Yes.
46:04I just meant to say them.
46:05I just meant to say them.
46:07I do know that, sure, they all want to be ever-impressed.
46:11But I saw, for example, at least, and I like the guys very much, I saw at least half of those people, from a television standpoint, were infinitely more attractive than her and Capo.
46:22Oh, yeah?
46:23Capo was not attractive to a television personality.
46:27Now, you've got to say that that's not what it rather is.
46:29I mean, looks do make a difference.
46:31Voice does make a difference.
46:34I know, it's true.
46:36It's true.
46:36Take it in average.
46:38You're right.
46:38It's true to me.
46:40But I think you can have a lot of fun, Chuck, with that.
46:45But if you can have... Well, these are the ones we can call, but really, these are the tough ones.
46:49And can I suggest this, that this is more important than spending hour after hour and hour with Henry and Herb and all the rest, with, say, one of our wonderful friends in the politics.
47:03God, I love them.
47:05And we read them.
47:07You can say, gee, wasn't that a great book?
47:09They read them, too.
47:10It's also a... Well, that's true.
47:11Those guys think that's a good thing about that one.
47:14Sure.
47:15Both now.
47:15Both now.
47:16You know, the best thing about those times is to force Henry.
47:18Henry now has lunch with Chancellor once in a while.
47:20He wants to drink it.
47:21You know, remember about me?
47:27He wouldn't do it to you.
47:29He wants to see the crowd.
47:30Yeah.
47:30Big problem is trying to get that lunch with Harvey K. Smith once every six months.
47:37Yeah.
47:38Well, he does that, doesn't he?
47:39No.
47:40Well, the jurist spent this because...
47:42He's got to turn him on.
47:46He's a friend.
47:46It's harder to get him to talk to friends.
47:49But at least we've got to find the influential enemies instead of Murray Martin that he used to spend all his time with.
47:56Oh, Christ, Mary, Margaret, who's that other one?
47:59Chalmers, Roberts.
48:00Chalmers, Margaret.
48:01Chalmers, Roberts, Christ is retired now.
48:03He's still retired.
48:04Roberts is retired.
48:06He's still retired.
48:10Well, he may need some mental service documentation.
48:11Joseph Joe Kraft.
48:13That's not Locke.
48:14But also Raleigh Evans.
48:14Now, you've got to give him some credit.
48:16Raleigh Evans, every year, he's turned him around.
48:18And he's made a difference.
48:20And that may be the most influential role in his life.
48:54Not only doesn't have to, but can.
49:24I just gotta find something else to do instead.
49:26That's why you love to rock, why you get all that social money.
49:30You know, you know, the one thing was to show you what a hell of a, hell of a, hell of a person you're fighting against.
49:39It was great elation.
50:16Here in the House of Representatives, they all voted.
50:19You can see where the House members get discouraged from.
50:24They go out and fight and so forth.
50:25But did you notice what the goddamn polls did?
50:28I think this kind of raises the theme of the meeting.
50:31I'm so sick of it.
50:32I'm so sick of it.
50:33Did you notice the big play that we got on our vote of support from the county officials?
50:40I didn't see that in any place.
50:41You wouldn't?
50:44I don't know, it wasn't, it didn't get printed, but it didn't get printed here in the Washington area.
50:51It may have gotten printed out.
1:01:44I'll tell you, that was supposed to be something.
1:01:50By God, you know, I have to say, Bob, this morning, I just...
1:01:55It's really a joke.
1:01:56I thoroughly expected, though, Chuck, this morning, after Henry had... You should have heard Henry and Larry were on the phone in Colorado Springs.
1:02:02They were ecstatic about this great victory.
1:02:05You called me to listen.
1:02:06I called him.
1:02:07So I picked it up.
1:02:08I walked over to him.
1:02:11God damn it, what the crisis, the wrong party.
1:02:14I couldn't find it.
1:02:15I did the same thing.
1:02:16I picked up the books and finally I turned the page.
1:02:19Where did they carry it?
1:02:20Page 82, but inside page 82.
1:02:21In a way that he wouldn't have said anything.
1:02:24In a way that he didn't like to say anything.
1:02:26And the story was good.
1:02:27It was a snide story.
1:02:28That's fine.
1:02:29Well, I'm saying that it was obvious that maybe it was fine to do this in the middle because he was the person who needed the same speech.
1:02:38I never said it was a big deal.
1:02:43Thank you for watching!
1:07:39Bob, did you ever get our researchers to look into what I suggested about Lincoln and Adams?
1:07:50Yeah.
1:07:51Did they find it?
1:07:52Yeah.
1:07:56I mean, the reason I ask is that I'm afraid that probably they missed the point, because, let me explain, which only is, you know, somebody who studied the Civil War more recently than I do.
1:08:11There were two Lincoln Amnesty Orders.
1:08:14The first Lincoln Amnesty Order had nothing to do and is not in any way related to Israel.
1:08:21It was a war major at the same time as the Emancipation Proclamation, which was not a major to free the slaves but to win the war, in which he offered amnesty to anybody who left the South to come north.
1:08:36That's totally different.
1:08:37But at the end of the war, about three months before it ended,
1:08:42Congress passed something, and then Lincoln said, you know, the Congress denied citizenship to deserters, deserters from the North.
1:08:50And Lincoln said, uh-uh, I'm not going to do that, that's too hard.
1:08:54And Lincoln said, we grant amnesty, provided they return to their units and serve 60 days, or something like that.
1:09:01It was ahead of reach.
1:09:05You're right, though.
1:09:06Well, let me give you one other line.
1:09:08Of course, Blinken had all sorts of things, but all sorts of things, for he gave Amnesty World waivers and all sorts of things.
1:09:13Listen to this one.
1:09:15A deserter wrote from Canada that religion had won him to repentance.
1:09:20And at a certain hour, he was in a White House crowd, ready for military service again.
1:09:25Identified by clothes he said he would be wearing, he was arrested.
1:09:28The president wrote on his letter that he should be returned to his regiment without penalty.
1:09:36Except that when his term of enlistment service expired, he should serve in prison the number of days he was absent by desertion.
1:09:46Now, God damn it, if we let them get away with that kind of shit, I just...
1:09:50There is a book.
1:09:53Our people just got to read a little more.
1:09:55He was definitely by volume, but I've got to go after he's by volume.
1:09:59Did they find it?
1:09:59They had found it.
1:10:01I thought I had found it.
1:10:04I don't mean to say it.
1:10:05I just want to be sure that they found it.
1:10:07Because there are two kinds of ants.
1:10:09I didn't dream that anybody would have thought to confuse the two.
1:10:12But it's very easy to confuse the two.
1:10:17It's like providing, for example, in the North Vietnam, South Vietnam, the South Vietnamese have their Chu Hoi program.
1:10:27In which they offer total amnesty.
1:10:29Did anybody fight in the Vietnam War?
1:10:32Come over.
1:10:33Come over, kids.
1:10:35And you can be one of us.
1:10:38It's a war.
1:10:39Mayhem.
1:10:39But if a South Vietnamese deserves, he's shot.
1:10:43And later did the same damn thing.
1:10:46That's what we have to get through here.
1:10:48Because they have in their platform amnesty under certain conditions.
1:10:53Now, don't let them get away with it.
1:10:55We're against amnesty.
1:10:57Unless they serve.
1:10:58No, you agree that's what the public wants, right?
1:11:00No, there's no question.
1:13:10I'm amazed, because that's really something.
1:13:13It hurts him.
1:13:14Anything that's wrong has deeply hurt him.
1:13:17It has to have hurt him.
1:13:19That's like... Well, on the other hand, he knows goddamn well if the other side came in, they'd surrender to China.
1:13:24That's right, but it's still...
1:13:26He knows what we're trying to do here, and it's true.
1:13:30Russians love him.
1:13:32Henry would never get anybody who is discreet.
1:13:40You tell them, look, let's just see what we're trying to do.
1:13:44We've got two enemies.
1:13:45One is stronger than the other.
1:13:47We know that both are around.
1:13:47So we're following the usual practice of joining with the weaker against the stronger in order to screw them.
1:13:52Later on, we may join with the stronger to screw the weaker.
1:13:55That's all there is to it.
1:13:57China policies, nothing more.
1:13:58Nothing.
1:13:58And that's understandable to anybody except when you get to the water-dead level on the base.
1:14:04Well, all I'm doing now is to...
1:14:07He's devoted his whole goddamn life to, you know, retail.
1:14:12Wait, I forgot.
1:14:12I forgot that.
1:20:38It was a great friend.
1:20:44It wasn't significant, but the point was that he and a little coach, and then he got up and almost broke down.
1:21:06Talking about what a great man you are, and making the point that just a few people know him as Mr. President.
1:21:13But I know him as a guest from my home, when he was out of office, and was just nobody to Mr. Higgins.
1:21:23And went into what you've accomplished, and all this, and he's apparently going to be working full time raising money for you, and cranking around him.
1:21:31I suggest something.
1:21:33A lot of people out of the woodwork like that, they tell you something.
1:21:39You know, California is a closed state.
1:21:42Other than the work of those Filipinos.
1:21:45They still have cockpites out there.
1:21:47Go out to those Filipinos and stir them up.
1:21:49You get 75,000 Filipino boats, a good 75,000 black boats.
1:21:52Writing a little note with you that I heard.
1:22:03It's a nice thing, you know.
1:22:11Of course we have so many lines like ourselves.
1:22:19Stuff like that.
1:22:21But they go back over many years.
1:22:22We don't know anything about it.
1:22:23A lot of it happens that we never even hear about.
1:22:26They go back over many years.
1:41:41I mean, let me say it.
1:42:08You can do it at 7.30.
1:42:09You're certainly not cutting off your bus.
1:42:12That's right.
1:42:13The part that I make about 7.30 is that it depends on how much we really want.
1:42:20At a particular time, B, B, C, and the rest of the time, B, B, C, and the rest of the time, B, B, C, and the rest of the time, B, B, C, and the rest of the time,
1:42:37It's a pretty good time to just do one on top of it, which doesn't reach basically three-fourths of the country.
1:42:48And every major state at 7.30 to reach every major state is at 7.30.
1:42:52Texas is at 7.30.
1:42:55Texas is at 7.30.
1:42:56Texas is at 7.30.
1:42:57You're still missing an awful lot, especially in the summer.
1:43:01You really are.
1:43:04But even at 9, you're not doing a hell of a lot.
1:43:09You're not doing too well in the summer, are you?
1:43:13Well, not in California.
1:43:14You're going to lose California either way.
1:43:17Well, it doesn't make any difference as far as California is concerned.
1:43:23That's not really what you're talking about.
1:43:26I see.
1:43:26Oh, that's one different thing about California.
1:43:286 o'clock, you're dead anyway, aren't you?
1:43:30You don't get any audience in.
1:43:33Is that right?
1:43:34Yeah.
1:43:35Whether it's 4.30 or 6.00, well, you get some more.
1:43:38You get a lot more in California, but none of it matters.
1:43:44Basically, you're not going for a California audience on this at any time.
1:43:48You're not going to get a California audience unless you go on at 10.30 or 9.00.
1:43:55Yeah.
1:43:56So you disregard that.
1:43:58What's an issue is the...
1:44:05I'm frankly hoping, let me say, from the standpoint of doing anything, I just don't like to do things at 9, which is a hell of a strain.
1:44:15But I know I can do it at home.
1:44:17Well, to be up at 9, 7.30 is a little better, but it's marginal.
1:44:21So that's an hour and a half later.
1:44:24For that hour and a half later, you're going to reach well over twice as many people.
1:44:28You will.
1:44:30And then east and then west.
1:44:32Probably worth it.
1:44:33You won't do much better in California.
1:44:35You'll do a little better in California.
1:44:42I think we did.
1:44:44Not because of anything you have to say, but because of the show, the exercise, the presentation, and that.
1:44:55You have to realize that this will be a conference in which there will be quite a few questions that are not.
1:45:03But I don't think you're going to register very much on those questions, question by question, with the mass of people.
1:45:17And you are going to raise them.
1:45:20The people who know the substance of the questions matter will see it at 7.30.
1:45:27Anyway.
1:45:30General bunch of swaps.
1:45:31The questions don't matter.
1:45:32What matters to them is the president.
1:45:34The general impression the president is feeling on this.
1:45:42I just hate to go on and miss 30 million people.
1:45:50Also,
1:45:52It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
1:45:547.30 is the network time, so you have to force a beat at 7.30.
1:45:58That's local.
1:45:59See, we put this in law for the Congress, where 7.30 is now local option time.
1:46:04As far as busting up the network.
1:46:06They'd all go, oh, sure, they'd have to do it.
1:46:08Well, I know it's a bad time for you.
1:46:13It's just another hour and a half away.
1:46:188.30 is around the way.
1:46:20You can't tomorrow night, but you can do it any time you want.
1:46:25But you bust up three ongoing hour programs at 8.30.
1:46:29At 9 o'clock, they all have a break.
1:46:30So it's a perfect movie starts at 9, and then the hour program on the other end of the program ends at 9 o'clock.
1:46:37And when you get back home, you have to tell them to leave.
1:46:48The guy who doesn't see you isn't going to get the impression that the guy who does see you gets.
1:46:53So it's also a lot of you that started and managed to have it.
1:46:57If it's worth doing it at all, it's worth doing it to have most people see you.
1:47:04What do you look for here?
1:47:07I think it's a long time.
1:47:12It's the bridge time, the 7th period.
1:47:13Yeah.
1:47:13The numbers and the price.
1:47:14It's not really what you have now.
1:47:15It's all about the price.
1:47:15It's all about the price.
1:47:17They need to put it back to them.
1:47:18Sure.
1:47:18We're going to have to talk live on the squeal by using prime time, huh?
1:47:24A lot of squeal.
1:47:26I'm going to say, why don't you go ahead and do it?
1:47:28Now, if you were doing this once a week, I think that argument of the girl who wrote in and said her husband doesn't like to come home from work, and have you interrupted his baseball game or something.
1:47:38You have to sit on it enough to have that problem.
1:47:41We've been on that road a lot, actually.
1:47:44But not a preemptive time and not a first time.
1:47:47We have just been very heavy on the regular preemptive time.
1:47:53Well, only one network has run.
1:47:56Yeah, the Russians returned.
1:47:58That, I think, was an event of overriding national directives.
1:48:00We had the Chinese return.
1:48:02We had the buses return.
1:48:03We had the airport from the city.
1:48:06We had the May 8th return.
1:48:07We had the one and only return.
1:48:10Maybe not too much.
1:48:11Once a month is about right, isn't it?
1:48:12I think we want to preempt any more than once a month.
1:48:14Once a month isn't very often.
1:48:15You could have figured they've got 30 nights in between and cooking all kinds of other things.
1:49:11I guess it's Bob that, except for the crap on the bugging, or maybe Mark, or something like that, I think it's going to be more important.
1:49:24Which I think that is very much so.
1:49:28Some shit's going to, if he gets the chance, is going to try to lob in the bugging thing on him, so just try to get him out of there.
1:49:40Go ahead.
1:49:40Well, are you all finished?
1:49:44Yes, sir.
1:49:45I'm going to be ready to give this to AP.
1:49:51There are a couple minor things that I want to address.
1:50:03On Constantine, the original had a winning 20 games faced
1:50:12Almost, actually, Face broke Constantine's record.
1:50:24Constantine won 16 games and Face won 18.
1:50:30So we just revised that section.
1:50:34Also, Nozo and Doby were not 30, were 26.
1:50:38Yes, so we've said that they're 60 years old, so we changed in their prime.
1:50:41Well, we said well into their career, well down into this career, and there we go again.
1:50:46Without a doubt, it would have had their careers more than that in the short term.
1:50:53In fact, the color bar is not listed into that, but each would have been well into this career.
1:50:59Yeah.
1:50:59Now, age would have been...
1:51:01would have been in the major leagues for at least five years.
1:51:05What about Ralph's career?
1:51:07Would have been in the major leagues for at least five years.
1:51:14Then on White, when you say looking into the future, I would imagine that I were thinking since he came five years from now, and so on and so forth.
1:51:25I think this was a typo.
1:51:29They had Bill White in
1:52:30Well, if something does, that's fine.
1:52:31We're just sitting there.
1:52:34Well, it's done on a memory.
1:52:38I guess.
1:52:38Now, be sure you get it out in time, though.
1:52:39We are.
1:52:40Yes, sir.
1:52:40We'll just be trying for them to make all their wires.
1:52:42Yes, sir.
1:52:42So far.
1:52:43I have a little bit to send.
1:52:45Would you send a copy to David?
1:52:48No, he's on a ship.
1:52:48Please send a full copy to him.
1:52:52Right.
1:52:52Wherever he is.
1:52:59Yes, sir.
1:53:30No, it's just I wouldn't.
1:53:32You want me to give you the story?
1:53:34I raised it with the intention.
1:53:35Don't give it to us.
1:53:36I paid.
1:53:36They're afraid that they'll give it to you.
1:53:38Right.
1:53:38You tell AP that you're just sitting on it.
1:53:40They can take it off.
1:53:41And you can just alert the parents and so forth.
1:53:43The AP is going to have to stir it.
1:53:44That might be a good idea.
1:53:45They don't care about supporting people.
1:53:49How about what's on the screen?
1:53:52Well, they carry it.
1:53:55They come the next week and have a look at it.
1:54:30Well, that ain't nothing.
1:54:30Nine's all right.
1:54:31I'll tell them.
1:54:32You can tell them that first.
1:54:33I'm sure that's what they'll want.
1:54:35Go on.
1:54:35Why don't you just say we take nine minutes?
1:54:37Thirty minutes.
1:54:38I don't believe you're going over there.
1:54:40I will come along.
1:54:46What are you going to do?
1:54:48Thirty minutes.
1:54:50Thirty minutes is all right.
1:54:55Since we had one last week.
1:55:09Baseball is a damn good story.
1:55:18It is.
1:55:19It's fascinating.
1:55:20I don't know a goddamn thing about baseball, but it's still fascinating.
1:55:26For the people who are actually there, they don't run the story in an adequate way.
1:55:28You might tell Ron, after he's run, to send copies of the story to Chris Porter, maybe, that I mentioned.
1:55:31Like Ted Williams, you know what I mean?
1:55:32Maybe his, I'm sure his partner is Ron, but I don't know.
1:55:55So, we just
1:56:50But there will be doubt about it.
1:56:51That's what they'll be staying on it.
1:56:55You're probably right.
1:56:56Although, you know, everybody knows you're in total touch wherever you are.
1:57:05I think we will get out Saturday.
1:57:08Oh, that's good.
1:57:10That's good.
1:57:10That would be a good time.
1:57:12Yeah, Clark says there's just no, he doesn't see any possibility of a thing.
1:57:33You also said it's social security and it will not get to you.
1:57:37If it's 20% social security, they're going to kill it one way or another.
1:57:43You're not going to have to face it.
1:57:47Not at 20%.
1:57:47Great.
1:57:49There may be a 10 of 10.
1:57:5110 this year, 10 next year.
1:57:52You'd like to get it out of the way, or something like that, but you'll have to sign it.
1:57:59But you're going to sign 20 anyway, so anything can get better than that.
1:58:06You're that much better off on dollars.
1:58:13What's your honest opinion on Mitchell?
1:58:18Yeah, I do.
1:58:19Yes, sir.
1:58:19Mitchell's come to the same conclusion.
1:58:28Because he feels that there's enough for probably his not being fully effective, and he doesn't want to be in any position to jeopardize the full effectiveness of the campaign.
1:58:49It's all bad, incidentally.
1:58:51The more I've thought about it, the more I think that maybe all are very good moves.
1:58:59Let me say, I am not going to grind myself down, or you can take these off if you will, please.
1:59:31You've announced it.
1:59:31You know, when you were up there that other midweek time, they were speculating that it is a U-gun.
1:59:34It is a U-gun.
1:59:34It is a U-gun.
1:59:35It is an important thing that I know.
1:59:36When I came back, this girl, you don't have to take the shoes right there.
1:59:39I had to give you a lot of information.
1:59:43I mean, it's just something that some kids don't want to go without.
1:59:51Terry, you know, you took her out last week.
1:59:57Well, we had a visit.
1:59:58Oh, sure.
1:59:58We always have.
1:59:58Hi.
1:59:59Hello.
2:00:00Oh, nothing right now.
2:00:02We just had a little talk.
2:00:02And as we got off the helicopter, she said, I just...
2:00:05I mean, having to deal with the situation, I had to do one thing.
2:00:10I think that's the routine of getting the same people out there.
2:00:12There's no thrill to them.
2:00:20I don't understand if they aren't confident.
2:00:26Very much.
2:00:27That's your role.
2:00:27They're your work, so you can't do it on the basis of who it's available for.
2:00:30Yeah, I know, I know.
2:00:31But if they are, as she is acting, I mean, you may have others around, but I can't do it.
2:00:36I see people sitting in McGregor's office and in your office and so forth.
2:00:39Don't hesitate to do it, because as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a damn who's there.
2:00:43You know what I mean?
2:00:44Yeah, you do.
2:00:46When you get to something you want done, you've got to make sure that...
2:00:52If the girl can work a dictaphone, I don't care who's there.
2:00:54That's my point.
2:00:56So, well, it's a good idea.
2:01:00But I think it's just good.
2:01:01I just thought that you should know that I'm impressed with that fact, that it means a hell of a lot for girls.
2:01:08We've done it for Beverly, we've done it for McKee, we've done it for this girl, and of course we've done it for Alex, which is fine.
2:01:18We've done it for Mark and Kathy.
2:01:20Kathy has been the floor.
2:01:21She's been candid.
2:01:25She's never...
2:01:26What I'm going to do next, Captain, I'm going to fight.
2:01:30I'm going to fight personally.
2:01:36The little things like that.
2:01:37are the only things I can do around the staff, and that gets the others rippled.
2:01:41Those things, I think they're much better for us not to suggest to you or anything else.
2:01:46Don't ever suggest it.
2:01:47It's only when I feel like it.
2:01:48No, when you feel like it, it's absolutely better.
2:01:50I've thought about maybe giving you some ideas on that.
2:01:53Well, for example, one thing is, on a telephone call, this is totally irrelevant.
2:01:56You know, Chuck comes up with a lot of good suggestions.
2:02:00He did one thing called the bite of blue.
2:02:06I mean, I'm not going to call it baseball, but it was his 50th, or something like that.
2:02:17But I mean, my point is, you see...
2:02:18I mean, having to deal with the issues I had to deal with...
2:02:34I get the routine of getting the same people out there.
2:02:40There's no thrill to not understand if they aren't competent.
2:02:41That's your role.
2:02:42Well, they're your work, so you can't do it on the basis of who it's available for.
2:02:45I know, I know.
2:02:46But if they are, as she is, adequate, I mean, you may have others around, but I can't do it.
2:02:50I see people sitting in the breaker's office and in your office and so forth.
2:02:54Don't hesitate to do it, because as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a damn who's there.
2:02:58When you get to something like that, you've got to be sure that
2:03:05If a girl can wear a knick-to-ball, I don't care.
2:03:06That's my point.
2:03:11Well, it's a good idea.
2:03:13But I think it's just good.
2:03:15I just thought that you should know that I'm impressed with that fact, that it means a hell of a lot for girls.
2:03:22We've done it for Beverly, we've done it for McKee, we've done it for this girl, and of course we've done it for Alex, which is fine.
2:03:31We've done it for Mark and Kathy.
2:03:34Kathy has been the floor, that's right.
2:03:38She's been mandated to.
2:03:40Yeah, but she's never, what I'm going to do, I'm going to invite, I'm going to invite her sometime.
2:03:49The little things like that.
2:03:51are the only things I can do around the staff, and that gets the others to dribble.
2:03:55Those things, I think they're much better for us not to suggest to you or anything else.
2:04:00Don't ever suggest it.
2:04:00It's only when I feel like it.
2:04:02When you feel like it, it's so much better.
2:04:04I've thought about maybe giving you some ideas on that.
2:04:06Well, for example, one thing is, on the telephone call, this is totally irrelevant.
2:04:09You know, Chuck has done a lot of good suggestions on something.
2:04:13He did one thing called the bite of blue.
2:04:25I didn't call Rizzo yesterday, because he's been in the hospital, and thought that is like playing in a bank.
2:06:01I have figured that virtually every other girl that we have around is either divorced, without children, or not married.
2:06:07But that's not true, because she's married.
2:06:11You see, their hosts don't have anybody.
2:06:13Well, Marge has, but Marge's husband doesn't.
2:06:17Sometimes.
2:06:17He goes to California.
2:06:19We take a lot of people to California.
2:06:23That's a very nice thing that we do.
2:06:25It costs us nothing.
2:06:26It creates no problem.
2:06:28But we've got to have a lot of airplane space because they have to run it.
2:06:31Well, another girl that I think would be nice to take some time would be this one out here.
2:06:44She's never been, you know, she's a westerner and so forth.
2:06:47She's smart, but she's not good to rely on.
2:06:49But what I meant is she can do the same kind of job Shelly does.
2:06:53People like her.
2:06:55They know her, you know, she can have a kid around people like Phoebe and the rest.
2:07:00You need people like that around Sarah.
2:07:03I agree.
2:07:03I don't use the word kid, but I was thinking that the people that work closely with her should never feel that there's a bleak, sort of bleak, that always goes, and they get cut out.
2:07:14I don't think this girl thinks that.
2:07:16I should never mention golden.
2:07:17I never talked about it.
2:07:19And maybe Ellen Popper doesn't even occur to any of us.
2:07:20I do have, I've been to California, but look around.
2:07:24There might be some girl that's slaved like Ellen.
2:07:27McGregor's office, for example.
2:07:28I see those girls up and down.
2:07:31There might be one who's done a hell of a job on the East Wing.
2:07:38There might be one.
2:07:40I guess you're taking care of all the research.
2:07:45Mort Allen, you took him once to do something.
2:07:48We've done a fair number of things.
2:07:50And he's got a girl over there, though, that's worked her ass off.
2:07:54I like that.
2:07:55You sort of look around, because they, for example, tried to do that.
2:08:01They said one of the best things that ever happened, and I used to be sticking my head through the roof of the house.
2:08:07You know, that's the thing that really brightens up the day.
2:08:13This is the Gates office.
2:08:17Oh, sure.
2:08:18And I always go to Henry's office.
2:08:21I usually go to some kind of here.
2:08:22It's not very often.
2:08:22Rose's, not very often.
2:08:24But this is another one.
2:08:26But I realize that I don't do it on a regular basis.
2:08:28And Earl, who's upstairs, is.
2:08:30But why don't you talk to your top people and see that the top secretaries
2:08:35I would rather do it for people like that than I do it for a cabinet officer or a top staffer.
2:08:49I agree with you.
2:08:54It doesn't, because I know that the cabin house, your top staff, is going to find a way to get it in.
2:08:59Plus, they take it for granted, where these people, it's the greatest event in their lives.
2:09:04If you had that turkey over for the movie that night, for dinner that night, I didn't know, she'll never forget that.
2:09:10And I didn't know you had that, Terry, and that's just great.
2:09:14We never had a proposal, but that's just fine.
2:09:16And then Pat and, uh... What's your name again?
2:09:19Bowler.
2:09:19Really?
2:09:20Oh, that's terrific.
2:09:21Sure.
2:09:21I agree with that.
2:09:25And you should never feel that you have to do that.
2:09:27It never gets to a point where you think you've got to take time to butter those people up.
2:09:32This was not the purpose.
2:09:33I had to pee over and I had to butter them up.
2:09:35Because I was there alone with each patient.
2:09:38And I had to eat something.
2:09:41It didn't take long, they just couldn't come in.
2:09:44And I also, I was dying for another reason.
2:09:48And I just got to know.
2:09:53Throw them into that breach.
2:09:55I think even Terri, she's not as good as the others, but she's a proper nice girl.
2:10:02She, yeah.
2:10:02The thing about Terri, which I'm sure you don't overlook, she is probably the most beautiful girl right now.
2:10:11In the face, yeah.
2:10:12She has got a beautiful face.
2:10:14That child is going to be in the movies.
2:10:15She's got a beautiful figure for that type.
2:10:17She's a thin one.
2:10:18She's got spectacular legs.
2:10:21But she is the beauty of my house.
2:10:23And you know, that's why, if you want to put, of course, nobody can pretend to be children.
2:10:30But she's just great out there, and you know, she's good.
2:10:38You want to let somebody out to meet people, use that territory.
2:10:43What do you think?
2:10:44Very good.
2:10:44She is.
2:10:44I like this person.
2:10:45Let me say, I like to put people with good personality.
2:10:47Good looking out front.
2:10:49I really do.
2:10:49I prefer to keep the ones that are not quite as pretty.
2:10:54I like to keep them while places like LJ, Rose, Mars, they should be back at work, but not off the front line.
2:11:06Do you agree?
2:11:06I'm sure you agree.
2:11:09I'm back to Michigan.
2:11:12But, he, apparently he has been there all this time.
2:11:20I think there's also lurking down, way behind, there is the question of his involvement in the Watergate paper, and the fact that he doesn't know about it.
2:11:32We've got a lid on it, but it may not stay on, and his getting out might just be a good move on that, because ultimately it goes to him.
2:11:41But I don't, I think as I understand it, and I don't want to know, because I've got to answer the press members, because they...
2:11:47As I understand it, John did not know specifically about this case.
2:11:49As I understand it, that's right.
2:11:52I told you to know.
2:11:54I mean, there's people down the line, Cubans and others in the chorus, working with some asshole, and there he does something stupid.
2:12:02We can't be responsible for that, because I was glad to see that somebody brought out Kevin Dolch, somebody with the back...
2:12:08We were tapped, you know, Johnson tapped us and tapped us, because he told us, like...
2:12:12Tapped us, what's that?
2:12:13Sure enough.
2:12:14Yes, he knew we made those awful calls.
2:12:16Well, not we, but he wasn't married.
2:12:18He said that he had the telephone call that was made in New Mexico.
2:12:22Yeah.
2:12:22Of course, he had her tapped.
2:12:24It was a goddamn rash.
2:12:29Well, I...
2:12:31My view would be, and John's going to be back in a second, and I don't want to talk about this, my view would be to encourage him to do it on the basis of, he's got a, it's a beautiful opportunity.
2:12:43It's going to be great, similarly, where the Martha fans will think, isn't that a wonderful thing, that the man has given up this, you know, it's kind of like the Duke of Windsor giving up the throne for the woman he loves.
2:12:54It has a little of that, right?
2:12:55Like, this poor woman isn't well and all, and he's going to be by her side, and all that.
2:13:00And we would leak out the fact that she's not well.
2:13:03Very strong.
2:13:04We have to.
2:13:05We're already doing that.
2:13:06It might not even leak out.
2:13:08He might want to tie that right to save my wife.
2:13:11Well, I've got to be with her, and that obviously is...
2:13:14I'm totally devoted to her, but I can't let this problem...
2:13:20That's the point.
2:13:22Then he can say, I fully expect to help in every possible way that I can.
2:13:27He can still do some inside jobs.
2:13:30Then you use him for the kinds of things he is indispensable for.
2:13:33The Rockefeller, Reagan, Buckley, the Middlebury, putting the deal together in Missouri, and that kind of stuff.
2:13:41He can still do it without any question.
2:13:44But getting out of it.
2:13:45Funny thing, last night I woke up at 3.30am.
2:13:49It almost resolves our problem.
2:13:54I think we were talking about needing to get Malik into an operating role and all that, which was going to be hard.
2:14:03It might have worked, but we'd have a problem.
2:14:06The difference, I get to think about that, is that in 1968, Mitchell had fine deeds in planning them.
2:14:17And some people I've met that he doesn't have now, real pros, who were doing a hell of a lot of stuff for him that he may not have even realized himself they were doing.
2:14:26And Kleindienst was running that field stuff in the delegate lineup, and doing stuff that John, you know, he reports to John constantly, but Dick was operating on his own grid, and knew what he was doing.
2:14:38He was a hell of a pro.
2:14:39There's nobody over there like that now.
2:14:42There's no comparable guy to Kleindienst.
2:18:55Oh, wait a second, did you see where he shafted?
2:19:00Did you imagine what it would have been if I had gone in and cut off his hair?
2:19:06It was a pretty low blow.
2:19:09Oh, did you hurt him?
2:19:11No, did he?
2:19:12The president comes up from Pennsylvania, he's always welcome.
2:19:15He comes over and expresses sympathy to our people, and the governor says, that's the lowest kind of gunner policy.
2:19:22Good for him, you see?
2:19:24That's the kind of a guy we need.
2:23:26I'm not exactly sure if Fred doesn't feel that he should go into it.
2:23:33But he's made it clear that what he does is going to depend on it.
2:23:42He has real reservations.
2:23:45He wants to talk to me and get back and know the ones that he is.
2:23:54Let me say this.
2:23:55I think they're going to hammer John, basically.
2:23:56They're going to hammer him quite a bit, but I also think they're going to hammer him, because basically you want to realize that John made the court.
2:24:08They know that.
2:24:08And that burns her ass deep down.
2:24:09The depression goes on all the rest of her ass.
2:24:13I think John's leaving now.
2:24:15John's tired of a lot of things.
2:24:16He's tired of the Harding-Cardswell case.
2:24:18He's tired of the Berrigan trial that failed.
2:24:20He's tired of the Angela Davis trial that failed.
2:24:22He's tired of the Ellsberg case that's going to fail.
2:24:25He's tired of the Watergate paper in a sense indirectly, and we know that it's more than that.
2:24:32He's tired of the IT&T case.
2:24:33He's in the company's business.
2:24:37He's tired of the Barbara Mitchell problem, which is a
2:24:41I wouldn't keep him in any official capacity.
2:24:50I wouldn't either.
2:24:53That makes sense.
2:25:06You appear to have pulled out, saying what time I can.
2:25:13Well, of course, as a private citizen, I do everything I can for the President's Reliance.
2:25:34We've got to talk to Barton about how we can take advantage of this to make Mitchell do some of that wood cracking at the committee about tightening the belts and getting it working on, but with a new manager.
2:25:45We can do that in spades.
2:25:47Cut out some of the drills and things.
2:25:50Well, I'd cut it right now.
2:25:51Shift the working hours, get loose some people out, you know, get Malik in there, start the askings.
2:25:57Well, get Malik ready to do it now, and I'd just go in with a knife.
2:26:00The only people he can't cut out are people that know something.
2:26:02He's got a problem there.
2:26:04I mean, something.
2:26:04I don't mean what I mean.
2:26:05I mean other things.
2:26:09I don't know.
2:26:09But I don't know how that would be.
2:26:17We've got to go over that, that is, shove them around to the National Committee and fly back to Europe in various ways.
2:26:23But just go around to the places where we're counting on them.
2:26:25They may have to carry some just as far below, but that's a cheap way to handle it.
2:26:30But if we carry them, recognizing that they're not going to deliver and move to put someone else in their place to do it, that's the thing that bothers me, is we've got people like money and environment.
2:26:42still in a political position forward.
2:26:44We have to count on him.
2:26:46Well, Martin is in charge of the West, including California, China.
2:26:49Well, he's not competent for that.
2:26:51I don't know who he is, but he is.
2:26:52That's exactly right.
2:26:58John had reached in.
2:30:51Thank you.
2:31:51Public Broadcasting Corporation is waiting to arrive in April.
2:31:58Why the hell are they raising public broadcasting?
2:32:03They've got a good lobby, and they've put it on the congressman, and it's sitting on the side of the mother of the president.
2:32:14Or it's connected up.
2:32:18We went in for a raise as part of this deal we're working on and taking over the board and throwing everybody out.
2:32:23We asked for $45 million, which I think is too much.
2:32:26So that goes up to $60 million and $90 million.
2:32:28$60 million for the first year and $90 million for the second.
2:32:31But that's just going to build a goddamn other network that costs a lot of people.
2:32:34Plus, until we get control of the board, we're not about to do anything like that.
2:32:39When we get control, we may place something, but we want it to be with our board, not with the...
2:32:44So...
2:32:46They had a lot of people saying that they were driving like that.
2:32:50I saw that when I did it.
2:32:52The reason I did it when I did it was because I had quite a few people.
2:32:58You have to spread it over so it has to be obscured.
2:33:03It's not anything.

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