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That hurts him.

We have a lot of Marthalians in this country, not even though she is unintentional.

And I don't think she's going to make lessons for us at all.

There are still a lot of people here.

People of what?

Positive people.

Jesus Christ.

I have to think that's a crud.

I have noticed the way the press is...

I know that.

Everybody knows that.

What I meant is that I have a feeling the way the rest of the press is laying off, they have a feeling that she is the chef.

What do you want?

Well, that's what I mean.

Yeah, that's...

I think they're also making, which is kind of interesting, the way it's getting played, I don't think it's hurting as much as we've been concerned about.

There have been so many political divorces for marital problems.

Tunney's divorced, McCloskey's divorced, Dole's divorced.

There were a couple others.

There's a half of those that go right down the list.

All just, I mean, within the last few months.

And so they just say this is the latest in that stream of blood.

Then they go into a very sympathetic thing about the real problems.

That was the thing that Billy Graham was worried about.

He really felt that there was a problem between Martha and that he could go to the preacher's office and shit.

No problem.

Martha would live with the goddamn when he does.

I mean, John was...

All of them have these problems, you know.

Very agreed with the OSHA.

Of course, he may be trying to go the other way, which is to, in fact, appear to be on Michael's side against John.

Yeah.

I'll take it as a deal.

He's bugging everybody.

Yeah.

Here's the point that I make.

There's another reason too.

It's my thought of building a new establishment.

I want to build a new establishment.

And as I look at these guys, Dan, they're good looking guys.

They're magical.

They've got good voices and the rest.

They're just as smart as Chancellor who's an ass.

Order, order, order, order, order.

So many of the others that we have here.

These guys build our gods.

They're all on the bank.

Every one of them would like to be the next John Chancellor.

Every one of them would like to build one too.

And a lot of them make money locally that even Chancellor may not make.

Some of them.

Well, not many.

There aren't any very good ones.

A couple of them make that kind of money.

Yes.

I just meant to say them.

I do know that, sure, they all want to be ever-impressed.

But I saw, for example, at least, and I like the guys very much, I saw at least half of those people, from a television standpoint, were infinitely more attractive than her and Capo.

Oh, yeah?

Capo was not attractive to a television personality.

Now, you've got to say that that's not what it rather is.

I mean, looks do make a difference.

Voice does make a difference.

I know, it's true.

It's true.

Take it in average.

You're right.

It's true to me.

But I think you can have a lot of fun, Chuck, with that.

But if you can have... Well, these are the ones we can call, but really, these are the tough ones.

And can I suggest this, that this is more important than spending hour after hour and hour with Henry and Herb and all the rest, with, say, one of our wonderful friends in the politics.

God, I love them.

And we read them.

You can say, gee, wasn't that a great book?

They read them, too.

It's also a... Well, that's true.

Those guys think that's a good thing about that one.

Sure.

Both now.

You know, the best thing about those times is to force Henry.

Henry now has lunch with Chancellor once in a while.

He wants to drink it.

You know, remember about me?

He wouldn't do it to you.

He wants to see the crowd.

Yeah.

Big problem is trying to get that lunch with Harvey K. Smith once every six months.

Yeah.

Well, he does that, doesn't he?

No.

Well, the jurist spent this because...

He's got to turn him on.

He's a friend.

It's harder to get him to talk to friends.

But at least we've got to find the influential enemies instead of Murray Martin that he used to spend all his time with.

Oh, Christ, Mary, Margaret, who's that other one?

Chalmers, Roberts.

Chalmers, Margaret.

Chalmers, Roberts, Christ is retired now.

He's still retired.

Roberts is retired.

He's still retired.

Well, he may need some mental service documentation.

Joseph Joe Kraft.

That's not Locke.

But also Raleigh Evans.

Now, you've got to give him some credit.

Raleigh Evans, every year, he's turned him around.

And he's made a difference.

And that may be the most influential role in his life.

Not only doesn't have to, but can.

I just gotta find something else to do instead.

That's why you love to rock, why you get all that social money.

You know, you know, the one thing was to show you what a hell of a, hell of a, hell of a person you're fighting against.

It was great elation.

Here in the House of Representatives, they all voted.

You can see where the House members get discouraged from.

They go out and fight and so forth.

But did you notice what the goddamn polls did?

I think this kind of raises the theme of the meeting.

I'm so sick of it.

Did you notice the big play that we got on our vote of support from the county officials?

I didn't see that in any place.

You wouldn't?

I don't know, it wasn't, it didn't get printed, but it didn't get printed here in the Washington area.

It may have gotten printed out.

I'll tell you, that was supposed to be something.

By God, you know, I have to say, Bob, this morning, I just...

It's really a joke.

I thoroughly expected, though, Chuck, this morning, after Henry had... You should have heard Henry and Larry were on the phone in Colorado Springs.

They were ecstatic about this great victory.

You called me to listen.

I called him.

So I picked it up.

I walked over to him.

God damn it, what the crisis, the wrong party.

I couldn't find it.

I did the same thing.

I picked up the books and finally I turned the page.

Where did they carry it?

Page 82, but inside page 82.

In a way that he wouldn't have said anything.

In a way that he didn't like to say anything.

And the story was good.

It was a snide story.

That's fine.

Well, I'm saying that it was obvious that maybe it was fine to do this in the middle because he was the person who needed the same speech.

I never said it was a big deal.

Thank you for watching!

Bob, did you ever get our researchers to look into what I suggested about Lincoln and Adams?

Yeah.

Did they find it?

Yeah.

I mean, the reason I ask is that I'm afraid that probably they missed the point, because, let me explain, which only is, you know, somebody who studied the Civil War more recently than I do.

There were two Lincoln Amnesty Orders.

The first Lincoln Amnesty Order had nothing to do and is not in any way related to Israel.

It was a war major at the same time as the Emancipation Proclamation, which was not a major to free the slaves but to win the war, in which he offered amnesty to anybody who left the South to come north.

That's totally different.

But at the end of the war, about three months before it ended,

Congress passed something, and then Lincoln said, you know, the Congress denied citizenship to deserters, deserters from the North.

And Lincoln said, uh-uh, I'm not going to do that, that's too hard.

And Lincoln said, we grant amnesty, provided they return to their units and serve 60 days, or something like that.

It was ahead of reach.

You're right, though.

Well, let me give you one other line.

Of course, Blinken had all sorts of things, but all sorts of things, for he gave Amnesty World waivers and all sorts of things.

Listen to this one.

A deserter wrote from Canada that religion had won him to repentance.

And at a certain hour, he was in a White House crowd, ready for military service again.

Identified by clothes he said he would be wearing, he was arrested.

The president wrote on his letter that he should be returned to his regiment without penalty.

Except that when his term of enlistment service expired, he should serve in prison the number of days he was absent by desertion.

Now, God damn it, if we let them get away with that kind of shit, I just...

There is a book.

Our people just got to read a little more.

He was definitely by volume, but I've got to go after he's by volume.

Did they find it?

They had found it.

I thought I had found it.

I don't mean to say it.

I just want to be sure that they found it.

Because there are two kinds of ants.

I didn't dream that anybody would have thought to confuse the two.

But it's very easy to confuse the two.

It's like providing, for example, in the North Vietnam, South Vietnam, the South Vietnamese have their Chu Hoi program.

In which they offer total amnesty.

Did anybody fight in the Vietnam War?

Come over.

Come over, kids.

And you can be one of us.

It's a war.

Mayhem.

But if a South Vietnamese deserves, he's shot.

And later did the same damn thing.

That's what we have to get through here.

Because they have in their platform amnesty under certain conditions.

Now, don't let them get away with it.

We're against amnesty.

Unless they serve.

No, you agree that's what the public wants, right?

No, there's no question.

I'm amazed, because that's really something.

It hurts him.

Anything that's wrong has deeply hurt him.

It has to have hurt him.

That's like... Well, on the other hand, he knows goddamn well if the other side came in, they'd surrender to China.

That's right, but it's still...

He knows what we're trying to do here, and it's true.

Russians love him.

Henry would never get anybody who is discreet.

You tell them, look, let's just see what we're trying to do.

We've got two enemies.

One is stronger than the other.

We know that both are around.

So we're following the usual practice of joining with the weaker against the stronger in order to screw them.

Later on, we may join with the stronger to screw the weaker.

That's all there is to it.

China policies, nothing more.

Nothing.

And that's understandable to anybody except when you get to the water-dead level on the base.

Well, all I'm doing now is to...

He's devoted his whole goddamn life to, you know, retail.

Wait, I forgot.

I forgot that.

It was a great friend.

It wasn't significant, but the point was that he and a little coach, and then he got up and almost broke down.

Talking about what a great man you are, and making the point that just a few people know him as Mr. President.

But I know him as a guest from my home, when he was out of office, and was just nobody to Mr. Higgins.

And went into what you've accomplished, and all this, and he's apparently going to be working full time raising money for you, and cranking around him.

I suggest something.

A lot of people out of the woodwork like that, they tell you something.

You know, California is a closed state.

Other than the work of those Filipinos.

They still have cockpites out there.

Go out to those Filipinos and stir them up.

You get 75,000 Filipino boats, a good 75,000 black boats.

Writing a little note with you that I heard.

It's a nice thing, you know.

Of course we have so many lines like ourselves.

Stuff like that.

But they go back over many years.

We don't know anything about it.

A lot of it happens that we never even hear about.

They go back over many years.

I mean, let me say it.

You can do it at 7.30.

You're certainly not cutting off your bus.

That's right.

The part that I make about 7.30 is that it depends on how much we really want.

At a particular time, B, B, C, and the rest of the time, B, B, C, and the rest of the time, B, B, C, and the rest of the time, B, B, C, and the rest of the time,

It's a pretty good time to just do one on top of it, which doesn't reach basically three-fourths of the country.

And every major state at 7.30 to reach every major state is at 7.30.

Texas is at 7.30.

You're still missing an awful lot, especially in the summer.

You really are.

But even at 9, you're not doing a hell of a lot.

You're not doing too well in the summer, are you?

Well, not in California.

You're going to lose California either way.

Well, it doesn't make any difference as far as California is concerned.

That's not really what you're talking about.

I see.

Oh, that's one different thing about California.

6 o'clock, you're dead anyway, aren't you?

You don't get any audience in.

Is that right?

Yeah.

Whether it's 4.30 or 6.00, well, you get some more.

You get a lot more in California, but none of it matters.

Basically, you're not going for a California audience on this at any time.

You're not going to get a California audience unless you go on at 10.30 or 9.00.

Yeah.

So you disregard that.

What's an issue is the...

I'm frankly hoping, let me say, from the standpoint of doing anything, I just don't like to do things at 9, which is a hell of a strain.

But I know I can do it at home.

Well, to be up at 9, 7.30 is a little better, but it's marginal.

So that's an hour and a half later.

For that hour and a half later, you're going to reach well over twice as many people.

You will.

And then east and then west.

Probably worth it.

You won't do much better in California.

You'll do a little better in California.

I think we did.

Not because of anything you have to say, but because of the show, the exercise, the presentation, and that.

You have to realize that this will be a conference in which there will be quite a few questions that are not.

That's right.

But I don't think you're going to register very much on those questions, question by question, with the mass of people.

And you are going to raise them.

The people who know the substance of the questions matter will see it at 7.30.

Anyway.

General bunch of swaps.

The questions don't matter.

What matters to them is the president.

The general impression the president is feeling on this.

I just hate to go on and miss 30 million people.

Also,

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

7.30 is the network time, so you have to force a beat at 7.30.

That's local.

See, we put this in law for the Congress, where 7.30 is now local option time.

As far as busting up the network.

They'd all go, oh, sure, they'd have to do it.

Well, I know it's a bad time for you.

It's just another hour and a half away.

8.30 is around the way.

You can't tomorrow night, but you can do it any time you want.

But you bust up three ongoing hour programs at 8.30.

At 9 o'clock, they all have a break.

So it's a perfect movie starts at 9, and then the hour program on the other end of the program ends at 9 o'clock.

And when you get back home, you have to tell them to leave.

The guy who doesn't see you isn't going to get the impression that the guy who does see you gets.

So it's also a lot of you that started and managed to have it.

If it's worth doing it at all, it's worth doing it to have most people see you.

What do you look for here?

I think it's a long time.

It's the bridge time, the 7th period.

Yeah.

The numbers and the price.

It's not really what you have now.

It's all about the price.

They need to put it back to them.

Sure.

We're going to have to talk live on the squeal by using prime time, huh?

A lot of squeal.

I'm going to say, why don't you go ahead and do it?

Now, if you were doing this once a week, I think that argument of the girl who wrote in and said her husband doesn't like to come home from work, and have you interrupted his baseball game or something.

You have to sit on it enough to have that problem.

We've been on that road a lot, actually.

But not a preemptive time and not a first time.

We have just been very heavy on the regular preemptive time.

Well, only one network has run.

Yeah, the Russians returned.

That, I think, was an event of overriding national directives.

We had the Chinese return.

We had the buses return.

We had the airport from the city.

We had the May 8th return.

We had the one and only return.

Maybe not too much.

Once a month is about right, isn't it?

I think we want to preempt any more than once a month.

Once a month isn't very often.

You could have figured they've got 30 nights in between and cooking all kinds of other things.

I guess it's Bob that, except for the crap on the bugging, or maybe Mark, or something like that, I think it's going to be more important.

Which I think that is very much so.

Some shit's going to, if he gets the chance, is going to try to lob in the bugging thing on him, so just try to get him out of there.

Go ahead.

Well, are you all finished?

Yes, sir.

I'm going to be ready to give this to AP.

There are a couple minor things that I want to address.

On Constantine, the original had a winning 20 games faced

Almost, actually, Face broke Constantine's record.

Constantine won 16 games and Face won 18.

So we just revised that section.

Also, Nozo and Doby were not 30, were 26.

Yes, so we've said that they're 60 years old, so we changed in their prime.

Well, we said well into their career, well down into this career, and there we go again.

Without a doubt, it would have had their careers more than that in the short term.

In fact, the color bar is not listed into that, but each would have been well into this career.

Yeah.

Now, age would have been...

would have been in the major leagues for at least five years.

What about Ralph's career?

Would have been in the major leagues for at least five years.

Then on White, when you say looking into the future, I would imagine that I were thinking since he came five years from now, and so on and so forth.

I think this was a typo.

They had Bill White in

Well, if something does, that's fine.

We're just sitting there.

Well, it's done on a memory.

I guess.

Now, be sure you get it out in time, though.

We are.

Yes, sir.

We'll just be trying for them to make all their wires.

Yes, sir.

So far.

I have a little bit to send.

Would you send a copy to David?

No, he's on a ship.

Please send a full copy to him.

Right.

Wherever he is.

Yes, sir.

No, it's just I wouldn't.

You want me to give you the story?

I raised it with the intention.

Don't give it to us.

I paid.

They're afraid that they'll give it to you.

Right.

You tell AP that you're just sitting on it.

They can take it off.

And you can just alert the parents and so forth.

The AP is going to have to stir it.

That might be a good idea.

They don't care about supporting people.

How about what's on the screen?

Well, they carry it.

They come the next week and have a look at it.

Well, that ain't nothing.

Nine's all right.

I'll tell them.

You can tell them that first.

I'm sure that's what they'll want.

Go on.

Why don't you just say we take nine minutes?

Thirty minutes.

I don't believe you're going over there.

I will come along.

What are you going to do?

Thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes is all right.

That's right.

Since we had one last week.

Baseball is a damn good story.

It is.

It's fascinating.

I don't know a goddamn thing about baseball, but it's still fascinating.

For the people who are actually there, they don't run the story in an adequate way.

You might tell Ron, after he's run, to send copies of the story to Chris Porter, maybe, that I mentioned.

Like Ted Williams, you know what I mean?

Maybe his, I'm sure his partner is Ron, but I don't know.

So, we just

But there will be doubt about it.

That's what they'll be staying on it.

You're probably right.

Although, you know, everybody knows you're in total touch wherever you are.

I think we will get out Saturday.

Oh, that's good.

That's good.

That would be a good time.

Yeah, Clark says there's just no, he doesn't see any possibility of a thing.

You also said it's social security and it will not get to you.

If it's 20% social security, they're going to kill it one way or another.

You're not going to have to face it.

Not at 20%.

Great.

There may be a 10 of 10.

10 this year, 10 next year.

You'd like to get it out of the way, or something like that, but you'll have to sign it.

But you're going to sign 20 anyway, so anything can get better than that.

You're that much better off on dollars.

What's your honest opinion on Mitchell?

Yeah, I do.

Yes, sir.

Mitchell's come to the same conclusion.

Because he feels that there's enough for probably his not being fully effective, and he doesn't want to be in any position to jeopardize the full effectiveness of the campaign.

It's all bad, incidentally.

The more I've thought about it, the more I think that maybe all are very good moves.

Let me say, I am not going to grind myself down, or you can take these off if you will, please.

You've announced it.

You know, when you were up there that other midweek time, they were speculating that it is a U-gun.

It is a U-gun.

It is an important thing that I know.

When I came back, this girl, you don't have to take the shoes right there.

I had to give you a lot of information.

I mean, it's just something that some kids don't want to go without.

Terry, you know, you took her out last week.

Well, we had a visit.

Oh, sure.

We always have.

Hi.

Hello.

Oh, nothing right now.

We just had a little talk.

And as we got off the helicopter, she said, I just...

I mean, having to deal with the situation, I had to do one thing.

I think that's the routine of getting the same people out there.

There's no thrill to them.

I don't understand if they aren't confident.

Very much.

That's your role.

They're your work, so you can't do it on the basis of who it's available for.

Yeah, I know, I know.

But if they are, as she is acting, I mean, you may have others around, but I can't do it.

I see people sitting in McGregor's office and in your office and so forth.

Don't hesitate to do it, because as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a damn who's there.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, you do.

When you get to something you want done, you've got to make sure that...

If the girl can work a dictaphone, I don't care who's there.

That's my point.

So, well, it's a good idea.

But I think it's just good.

I just thought that you should know that I'm impressed with that fact, that it means a hell of a lot for girls.

We've done it for Beverly, we've done it for McKee, we've done it for this girl, and of course we've done it for Alex, which is fine.

We've done it for Mark and Kathy.

Kathy has been the floor.

She's been candid.

She's never...

What I'm going to do next, Captain, I'm going to fight.

I'm going to fight personally.

The little things like that.

are the only things I can do around the staff, and that gets the others rippled.

Those things, I think they're much better for us not to suggest to you or anything else.

Don't ever suggest it.

It's only when I feel like it.

No, when you feel like it, it's absolutely better.

I've thought about maybe giving you some ideas on that.

Well, for example, one thing is, on a telephone call, this is totally irrelevant.

You know, Chuck comes up with a lot of good suggestions.

He did one thing called the bite of blue.

I mean, I'm not going to call it baseball, but it was his 50th, or something like that.

But I mean, my point is, you see...

I mean, having to deal with the issues I had to deal with...

I get the routine of getting the same people out there.

There's no thrill to not understand if they aren't competent.

That's your role.

Well, they're your work, so you can't do it on the basis of who it's available for.

I know, I know.

But if they are, as she is, adequate, I mean, you may have others around, but I can't do it.

I see people sitting in the breaker's office and in your office and so forth.

Don't hesitate to do it, because as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a damn who's there.

When you get to something like that, you've got to be sure that

If a girl can wear a knick-to-ball, I don't care.

That's my point.

Well, it's a good idea.

But I think it's just good.

I just thought that you should know that I'm impressed with that fact, that it means a hell of a lot for girls.

We've done it for Beverly, we've done it for McKee, we've done it for this girl, and of course we've done it for Alex, which is fine.

We've done it for Mark and Kathy.

Kathy has been the floor, that's right.

She's been mandated to.

Yeah, but she's never, what I'm going to do, I'm going to invite, I'm going to invite her sometime.

The little things like that.

are the only things I can do around the staff, and that gets the others to dribble.

Those things, I think they're much better for us not to suggest to you or anything else.

Don't ever suggest it.

It's only when I feel like it.

When you feel like it, it's so much better.

I've thought about maybe giving you some ideas on that.

Well, for example, one thing is, on the telephone call, this is totally irrelevant.

You know, Chuck has done a lot of good suggestions on something.

He did one thing called the bite of blue.

I didn't call Rizzo yesterday, because he's been in the hospital, and thought that is like playing in a bank.

I have figured that virtually every other girl that we have around is either divorced, without children, or not married.

But that's not true, because she's married.

You see, their hosts don't have anybody.

Well, Marge has, but Marge's husband doesn't.

Sometimes.

He goes to California.

We take a lot of people to California.

That's a very nice thing that we do.

It costs us nothing.

It creates no problem.

But we've got to have a lot of airplane space because they have to run it.

Well, another girl that I think would be nice to take some time would be this one out here.

She's never been, you know, she's a westerner and so forth.

She's smart, but she's not good to rely on.

But what I meant is she can do the same kind of job Shelly does.

People like her.

They know her, you know, she can have a kid around people like Phoebe and the rest.

You need people like that around Sarah.

I agree.

I don't use the word kid, but I was thinking that the people that work closely with her should never feel that there's a bleak, sort of bleak, that always goes, and they get cut out.

I don't think this girl thinks that.

I should never mention golden.

I never talked about it.

And maybe Ellen Popper doesn't even occur to any of us.

I do have, I've been to California, but look around.

There might be some girl that's slaved like Ellen.

McGregor's office, for example.

I see those girls up and down.

There might be one who's done a hell of a job on the East Wing.

There might be one.

I guess you're taking care of all the research.

Mort Allen, you took him once to do something.

We've done a fair number of things.

And he's got a girl over there, though, that's worked her ass off.

I like that.

You sort of look around, because they, for example, tried to do that.

They said one of the best things that ever happened, and I used to be sticking my head through the roof of the house.

You know, that's the thing that really brightens up the day.

This is the Gates office.

Oh, sure.

And I always go to Henry's office.

I usually go to some kind of here.

It's not very often.

Rose's, not very often.

But this is another one.

But I realize that I don't do it on a regular basis.

And Earl, who's upstairs, is.

But why don't you talk to your top people and see that the top secretaries

I would rather do it for people like that than I do it for a cabinet officer or a top staffer.

I agree with you.

It doesn't, because I know that the cabin house, your top staff, is going to find a way to get it in.

Plus, they take it for granted, where these people, it's the greatest event in their lives.

If you had that turkey over for the movie that night, for dinner that night, I didn't know, she'll never forget that.

And I didn't know you had that, Terry, and that's just great.

We never had a proposal, but that's just fine.

And then Pat and, uh... What's your name again?

Bowler.

Really?

Oh, that's terrific.

Sure.

I agree with that.

And you should never feel that you have to do that.

It never gets to a point where you think you've got to take time to butter those people up.

This was not the purpose.

I had to pee over and I had to butter them up.

Because I was there alone with each patient.

And I had to eat something.

It didn't take long, they just couldn't come in.

And I also, I was dying for another reason.

And I just got to know.

Throw them into that breach.

I think even Terri, she's not as good as the others, but she's a proper nice girl.

She, yeah.

The thing about Terri, which I'm sure you don't overlook, she is probably the most beautiful girl right now.

In the face, yeah.

She has got a beautiful face.

That child is going to be in the movies.

She's got a beautiful figure for that type.

She's a thin one.

She's got spectacular legs.

But she is the beauty of my house.

And you know, that's why, if you want to put, of course, nobody can pretend to be children.

But she's just great out there, and you know, she's good.

You want to let somebody out to meet people, use that territory.

What do you think?

Very good.

She is.

I like this person.

Let me say, I like to put people with good personality.

Good looking out front.

I really do.

I prefer to keep the ones that are not quite as pretty.

I like to keep them while places like LJ, Rose, Mars, they should be back at work, but not off the front line.

Do you agree?

I'm sure you agree.

I'm back to Michigan.

But, he, apparently he has been there all this time.

I think there's also lurking down, way behind, there is the question of his involvement in the Watergate paper, and the fact that he doesn't know about it.

We've got a lid on it, but it may not stay on, and his getting out might just be a good move on that, because ultimately it goes to him.

But I don't, I think as I understand it, and I don't want to know, because I've got to answer the press members, because they...

As I understand it, John did not know specifically about this case.

As I understand it, that's right.

I told you to know.

I mean, there's people down the line, Cubans and others in the chorus, working with some asshole, and there he does something stupid.

We can't be responsible for that, because I was glad to see that somebody brought out Kevin Dolch, somebody with the back...

We were tapped, you know, Johnson tapped us and tapped us, because he told us, like...

Tapped us, what's that?

Sure enough.

Yes, he knew we made those awful calls.

Well, not we, but he wasn't married.

He said that he had the telephone call that was made in New Mexico.

Yeah.

Of course, he had her tapped.

It was a goddamn rash.

Well, I...

My view would be, and John's going to be back in a second, and I don't want to talk about this, my view would be to encourage him to do it on the basis of, he's got a, it's a beautiful opportunity.

It's going to be great, similarly, where the Martha fans will think, isn't that a wonderful thing, that the man has given up this, you know, it's kind of like the Duke of Windsor giving up the throne for the woman he loves.

It has a little of that, right?

Like, this poor woman isn't well and all, and he's going to be by her side, and all that.

And we would leak out the fact that she's not well.

Very strong.

We have to.

We're already doing that.

It might not even leak out.

He might want to tie that right to save my wife.

Well, I've got to be with her, and that obviously is...

I'm totally devoted to her, but I can't let this problem...

That's the point.

Then he can say, I fully expect to help in every possible way that I can.

He can still do some inside jobs.

Then you use him for the kinds of things he is indispensable for.

The Rockefeller, Reagan, Buckley, the Middlebury, putting the deal together in Missouri, and that kind of stuff.

He can still do it without any question.

But getting out of it.

Funny thing, last night I woke up at 3.30am.

It almost resolves our problem.

I think we were talking about needing to get Malik into an operating role and all that, which was going to be hard.

It might have worked, but we'd have a problem.

The difference, I get to think about that, is that in 1968, Mitchell had fine deeds in planning them.

And some people I've met that he doesn't have now, real pros, who were doing a hell of a lot of stuff for him that he may not have even realized himself they were doing.

And Kleindienst was running that field stuff in the delegate lineup, and doing stuff that John, you know, he reports to John constantly, but Dick was operating on his own grid, and knew what he was doing.

He was a hell of a pro.

There's nobody over there like that now.

There's no comparable guy to Kleindienst.

Oh, wait a second, did you see where he shafted?

Did you imagine what it would have been if I had gone in and cut off his hair?

It was a pretty low blow.

Oh, did you hurt him?

No, did he?

The president comes up from Pennsylvania, he's always welcome.

He comes over and expresses sympathy to our people, and the governor says, that's the lowest kind of gunner policy.

Good for him, you see?

That's the kind of a guy we need.

I'm not exactly sure if Fred doesn't feel that he should go into it.

But he's made it clear that what he does is going to depend on it.

He has real reservations.

He wants to talk to me and get back and know the ones that he is.

Let me say this.

I think they're going to hammer John, basically.

They're going to hammer him quite a bit, but I also think they're going to hammer him, because basically you want to realize that John made the court.

They know that.

And that burns her ass deep down.

The depression goes on all the rest of her ass.

I think John's leaving now.

John's tired of a lot of things.

He's tired of the Harding-Cardswell case.

He's tired of the Berrigan trial that failed.

He's tired of the Angela Davis trial that failed.

He's tired of the Ellsberg case that's going to fail.

He's tired of the Watergate paper in a sense indirectly, and we know that it's more than that.

He's tired of the IT&T case.

He's in the company's business.

He's tired of the Barbara Mitchell problem, which is a

I wouldn't keep him in any official capacity.

I wouldn't either.

That makes sense.

You appear to have pulled out, saying what time I can.

Well, of course, as a private citizen, I do everything I can for the President's Reliance.

We've got to talk to Barton about how we can take advantage of this to make Mitchell do some of that wood cracking at the committee about tightening the belts and getting it working on, but with a new manager.

We can do that in spades.

Cut out some of the drills and things.

Well, I'd cut it right now.

Shift the working hours, get loose some people out, you know, get Malik in there, start the askings.

Well, get Malik ready to do it now, and I'd just go in with a knife.

The only people he can't cut out are people that know something.

He's got a problem there.

I mean, something.

I don't mean what I mean.

I mean other things.

I don't know.

But I don't know how that would be.

We've got to go over that, that is, shove them around to the National Committee and fly back to Europe in various ways.

But just go around to the places where we're counting on them.

They may have to carry some just as far below, but that's a cheap way to handle it.

But if we carry them, recognizing that they're not going to deliver and move to put someone else in their place to do it, that's the thing that bothers me, is we've got people like money and environment.

still in a political position forward.

We have to count on him.

Well, Martin is in charge of the West, including California, China.

Well, he's not competent for that.

I don't know who he is, but he is.

That's exactly right.

John had reached in.

Thank you.

Public Broadcasting Corporation is waiting to arrive in April.

Why the hell are they raising public broadcasting?

They've got a good lobby, and they've put it on the congressman, and it's sitting on the side of the mother of the president.

Or it's connected up.

We went in for a raise as part of this deal we're working on and taking over the board and throwing everybody out.

We asked for $45 million, which I think is too much.

So that goes up to $60 million and $90 million.

$60 million for the first year and $90 million for the second.

But that's just going to build a goddamn other network that costs a lot of people.

Plus, until we get control of the board, we're not about to do anything like that.

When we get control, we may place something, but we want it to be with our board, not with the...

So...

They had a lot of people saying that they were driving like that.

I saw that when I did it.

The reason I did it when I did it was because I had quite a few people.

You have to spread it over so it has to be obscured.

It's not anything.