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I want Sequoia at 630 tonight.

Report, how may we be briefed?

Not sure?

Alright, report.

Scan.

Order of the Sequoia at 630, report at 630.

It's not going to be 6.30.

6.30 is a modest point.

We've got more than 6.30.

Steaks.

Steaks and a sandwich.

Those are different.

And ice cream.

Well, you know, that hitting simple with their ice cream is something else.

This is what it is.

And, uh, uh, and burn back the coast with, uh, 7463 on the boat.

Um, and, uh, yeah.

Call me and tell them I will be there in a couple of days.

This is the plan for tomorrow at 2 o'clock.

Vice President.

Mr. President, may you be honest.

Yes, I am.

Mr. President.

Mr. President, I would like to see the president head home.

That's it.

Call me at the right time.

It appears that there's a very good chance that a booter robot

On the ground that there's a fine line question as to whether he was, whether he made a knowledgeable decision and therefore is a part of the thing or not.

The point is, his mind will be that he did not know of this specific action, which apparently is true.

And that he had this guy leading.

And sure, he authorized sums of money to be paid for various and campaigning activities.

And that he did, he was not personally aware of this.

You can say that was stupidity on my part, but it was not criminal.

And I'm a young guy in a campaign, and I didn't realize, oh, we're going to go to check out.

And John seems to feel that it's at least 50-50 that he'll go that way and make it better.

We'll know a lot more.

He's being interrogated today by the FBI, passing into their interrogation.

And it was the FBI who began hearing the court against him yesterday.

He has not been interrogated.

Pat Gray told John Dean today, one second, that the Bureau was going to require at least another month to complete their investigation because there is a very great complexity in this.

And as we talked with the grand jury, they probably got that three to four months to be there with the Bureau to finish their investigation.

Mitchell and Dean are reading that as being a message from the Bureau and Justice that this thing is not going to be, in fact, it's not going to be profitable.

Mitchell argues very strongly that with those chances, we have a good chance of not getting the high-low campaign plan involved in the case.

And therefore, we shouldn't let Magruder go out now.

I mean, if he's going out now, it would clearly put the focus on him.

We should go out and say, we'll know enough ahead of time.

It becomes indictable.

Maybe Craig might get out.

Craig, his people, his peers.

and play the line, and play golf.

But another thing I didn't know, which Mitchell told me, is that John Dean, that Peterson is playing our game very little.

So John Dean went into Peterson and laid out the whole scenario of what actually happened, who is involved, where it all came from.

And on the basis of that, Peterson has worked towards that knowledge.

in directing the investigation along with the generals that will not produce the penalty, and the city will not produce it.

Mitchell also feels that the fact that there were some lines in this case that ran into the White House is very beneficial because that has spoken now on pursuing things.

Because they all are of the view that they don't want to indict the White House, they only want to indict the crime that they led.

Tighten up that case on that criminal act and limit it to that to the degree that they can.

And that's the reason, for instance, that they're partially.

I signed up for jail.

I didn't know he was.

I don't know.

I haven't seen how it's going.

I don't know if it's going to be a problem.

It's just going to take a long time.

It's going to take a long time.

I don't know.

Yeah, and oh, that's the other thing.

They have two lawyers, O'Brien and Peterson or something, that they've hired.

They're going to go to the Minister of Health.

Apparently, this super official says they're going to include these stories in that event.

It's outstanding that one of those lawyers is a super official.

As far as I understand, I don't think there's any evidence to report on that.

It's every one of them that's fallen into a trap.

You have the early and the initial controversy.

The initial is of the totally stonewalling, the hell with everybody's stadium.

The early ones are the complete panic, cut everything off and sing to the music.

Like quite used to.

Yep.

And they're both wrong.

Unfortunately, we haven't followed the cure of their wounds.

This is next to it.

Let's see if we can go on this path and fail to see a damaged right on this side of the bench.

Is it time to take you out tonight?

Sure.

Uh, did you get, uh...

I was just trying to do the O.P.

on it, too.

That'll be fine.

He also told me that Jimmy Roosevelt had been talking to the right people for a while.

He was aware that Jimmy Roosevelt had been talking to the right people for a while.

Jimmy Roosevelt had been talking to the right people for a while.

We need a better man.

I really think, I really think, Jimmy, though, we could give him an ambassador.

We could not go out with a big four or five.

That's what I'm saying.

The fact that, of course, the president has votes.

If we get Jimmy and John both, you know, there are two rows of votes, that's very good that we can have both.

It makes sense that John is Republican and Jimmy is a Democrat.

As I said, it never sounds nice to be a portion of this, but...

They are vicious.

For example, one day it's been authorized to put out a handbook that increases records.

It goes back to 62, apparently.

Oh, this is what I wanted.

Can I show you the cartoon?

This is something extremely important.

In terms of, I do this in swimming, in terms of, I have not realized, I am above the government as being a terribly cold, ruthless power fanatic.

And...

Uh, Chuck, well, Loves don't disagree with that.

Loves don't believe that he loses his temper, uh, which surprises me.

I thought, for example, it was a very considerate decision when he, uh, kicked, uh, called the power brokers, that Chuck disagrees.

Now, like, this is what this really is doing.

So, this goes back to 62, when Kennedy tried to chase him.

And, uh,

The government was handling it with a piece of paper, and Meany wrote a personal letter to him.

Oh, I see.

And, oh, my.

Well, I think he did.

I think he got seven hundred and ninety-five.

Well, there's a letter to Eric, and it's very, uh, just sort of dismissed another hand, and they booked him from this day, and it was sort of a junior deal.

So, Meany and Love Stein wanted to see him in London.

I'm trying to figure out what the hard side is.

That's it, you know.

He wouldn't give an inch.

His attitude was arrogant and sensitive.

He just was chewing them on the damn line.

He was the director of these two of them.

He's standing in the way of these shipments, and a lot of ideas are dragging us.

And he's sitting around saying bullshit, and we all agree with him.

And it all went back to that.

It all went back to that.

So they just figured this guy is not going to mature.

He doesn't have it.

But this, of course, this drives me.

This just comes to us in the daily world, Saturday, July, the cartooning, meaning, and most of it, speaking for the organized state.

You know, Jay is quite a philosopher.

Oh, he really is.

He's quite an intellectual.

I couldn't, he speaks so best, I couldn't get as close to him.

Yeah, sure.

He said, this is the elitist concept.

We have the elitist concept that transcends democratic society.

The only way in which they can succeed in what they want is to destroy all voluntary society.

It cannot be voluntary society.

The only way to power it, as with the Nazis,

destroy the existing past, they're against the church, they're against the labor organizations, they're against the government, they're against the party organizations, and they write and simply show it.

You must atomize society.

This is why I put it in biological atomizing.

New dimensions, new dimensions, new divisions, age, race, and sex.

The whole corpus, the whole character.

Exactly.

And he says, you've got to destroy the melody pump, too, in respect to this country's melody pump.

So you destroy it by setting up coolers.

I think we have, biologically, I don't know what else to say.

No.

Hi, Henry, are you busy with somebody?

No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead.

We're just chatting here on that point.

Take ten minutes, ten minutes with one close to the region, sir.

Because I've got somebody waiting in the heart of my mind.

Don't go a little longer than I want you to do.

Take after you a 10 minute, 20 minutes, please.

Uh, I was at a party at Jewish feet.

It was for the cast of Nicholas and Alexander.

For example.

That's what it was used for.

It wasn't a political thing.

But when Governor happened to be there, the evening it used to be, everything was standing around.

I did my 10 minute stint with him.

You know, everyone really puts that sort of a good on a group.

He won't do anything, and yet he won't make it along either.

So I went up to him and I said, I think you've misunderstood what the president said, and I don't really understand what you are arguing about.

If I had been there, you know, he just repeated exactly, he said, this is why I said, and said whatever he had said before, that I did not want the president to tell his father what he did.

The only thing that outweighs him is, I said to Julian last year when we saw him in September, they had already told me in Hanoi, no, when he's on a trip to Paris, they had already told me that they wasn't going to be able to show up for business.

And therefore, when he was running out and saying that we could have told you out of the woods, we didn't do it because we wanted to save the negotiations.

Uh, that kind of man.

What did he say?

He couldn't do this to me.

Absolutely not.

Captain, you must be lying.

See, that's the thing.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

That's all for your information.

I think that I will limit that to the rule of the Congress.

I will limit that meeting to the point mostly it's going to be on, it's going to be the cabinet and the leaders are probably expecting the Congress.

I would think that it might be useful just so the base is covered in case that comes up.

Yeah, you're invited if you want to come.

But I didn't like the invitation.

I want to just come.

I'll tell you the one thing that you might find interesting.

It's interesting.

You want to do it?

It'll be interesting if you could just see

what their strategy is going to be.

See, we're going to see what the Democrats, the Modernaites, I mean, the Democrats are going to try to do to us through the Congress.

They're going to try to put us on the spot and screw us all up and down the line.

I've got the, I've got it for you now.

Have you?

Are you now?

I've seen some Senate doubts at the end of the board.

At the end of the board.

Yes, he said he can't do it.

He wants it from the 2nd to the 4th of August.

He's got to be on Sunday, so he'll possibly pop on.

God damn it.

There's somebody there who will question about it.

We set a smart negotiation.

We set it for his own.

It's all right.

Do it at your own time.

I think you've got him worried a little bit.

Well, we just don't have that impression.

None of the news says anything on what the hell is going on.

They're not confusing headlines with answers.

I don't think headlines say what's going on.

Let's see.

Others say something else.

But at any rate, no one knows enough.

It took about six and a half hours to drop there.

And the fact that Mark said for the first time, they put up the same thing, put it up with a UFO.

What do you expect to get done soon in the next few years?

I won't have to.

Yeah.

That's what we write about, huh?

Yeah.

That means that they'll have no division for that.

They're brought down to speak on suspended training.

It is a division which they use only to try and recruit.

Joe Kraft says there's plenty of people, plenty of gasoline, lots of candy bars, no problem.

What's so revolting when Kraft talks to people about happy things, you know?

I just saw the briefing that sent these messages.

It's all right.

All things will be a good message.

Yes, sir.

But they're handling it very skillfully.

I say this when people are in those, because there's not so many people.

Only people they call advisors, not instructors.

There's only a few thousand.

But he had left with Adam, and Adam told him, I hope you realize that you can actually come soon, so that people are going to come to the convention, and then his family doesn't have to come.

That, you know, it's such a total, that can be only one food.

I don't know.

I'm trying to screw up the room.

What is it?

No matter how bad it is.

But now supposing we didn't have such a good relationship, and supposing, in this process of hostility, it is ported back to us, kind of like this, you know, covering.

Uh, you know, since you had a good problem, you know, you know, thank you.

Thank you.

You explained why you didn't make the offer at this point.

Oh, yeah.

He understood it.

Why don't you have some low-level person call and ask if you'd like to give us the same reason as we did?

Well, actually, I don't think Kraft would have put that out, though, unless it was not true.

Even the story this morning, which you said, about the truck line, I would say there's only 10 to 15 percent of what they need.

The difference between what Strahd told our embassy officer who treated him as if he enabled what he's putting in his column means that he's either deliberately lying to the U.S. government or he's deliberately lying in his column.

But what he told to the embassy officer is an underpinning difference between what he's telling us.

I think what he told the embassy officers was true, and what he figured his Democratic constituents were going to drive him out of the U.S. embassy, which is the most aggressive society that he's ever seen in his life.

I don't believe this report of the embassy officers.

Yes, you could.

Well, I don't think he's worried about that.

You might leak it to the embassy office.

Would you mind filling Scali in?

He loves to do the big line.

You have him up with you.

See you tomorrow.

I may call on you, then, if you're there, toward the end of the meeting.

Huh?

No, no, no.

You're talking about the end of war.

The end of war.

No, no, no, we're not.

I'm just going to say at the end that I said we're having private talks.

We don't discuss those with anybody.

But I want to talk about the end of war resolutions and what they mean.

And what I simply say is that, look, we're going to have talks.

We know what's going to come.

But I do know the end of war resolutions will kill the talks.

I sat here and talked to him in this room.

9.30 last night, it was about 11.

I had to get him out of the room.

I was still looking at him a little bit.

I can do it for a period of time, but I don't think I can do it.

You don't realize how hard it can be to break yourself.

Of course, if you ever got a breakthrough in the beginning, you'll go to Jesus.

And if you will, you'll let go.

You'll know you'll be there.

And you can't help, if you work very intensely, Henry gets very, very impressed after that.

It goes through.

It can really be that part of the cycle.

And it happens.

It whirls through.

What do you want to say you're doing in the book tonight?

You better have a story.

That's what I mean.

Oh, I'm working out my schedule for the next workshop.

I'm catching up on staff work.

I really get productive about my work.

They don't really need anything.

We don't need to say, but sometimes I go in the boat just decided they wanted to get out and get on it.

See what the protocol looks like for one of these.

But go down early.

When we leave the boat, you'll see what the hell is there.

And I'll get the hell out and get the height and sit in front of you and say,

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