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Thank you.

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That's entirely in keeping with what I thought.

How do you think you could handle that problem?

You know, I don't want you to agree with me that he shouldn't walk out on me.

I'll try to, if you could just, you could say that that would be badly misinterpreted.

But if you would also let me say this, it would also hurt Johnson.

I admire you for him having been intelligent enough.

I'm sure they say this is gracious and generous and the rest, but a lot of people say, what in the world?

Do you have anything that you believe in?

Yeah, of course.

That kind of belief is something.

Yeah, that's going to be a little tougher, because he does those things.

I don't aspire to them all.

It's impulsive.

Well, if he does, he does.

Well, I'll try to.

We'll discount it for the banters.

Yes, I think you almost have to.

But, of course, I thought, frankly, in the governor's remarks, and I'm going to say this, I thought his remarks yesterday were so.

He said that he was going to try to see President Trump and President Johnson sometime this summer if possible.

He said, I'm going to be pretty damn busy, but I may get around to seeing the governor, but he's never going to see me.

Yeah.

at the hospital well

This is a very arrogant man.

I think his arrogance is going to show through.

He's arrogant.

Yesterday he stated about, well, he thinks about his briefings he's offered, but he might see kids through it.

He might see kids through it.

He has predictions on his information for nine years.

For nine years, he's been reading those articles and following those recommendations.

I don't know.

I think we've got that one, John.

I don't know.

And also, but I think Margaret wants it now.

I don't think there's any reason not to do this.

Margaret would say, well, I've talked to John.

But doing it this way is a lot different.

Just call him.

Oh, I agree.

Now we can say that we've done it.

We've done it.

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Okay.

Thank you, sir.

I don't think it adds anything to this.

I'll go up and see him one day this week, and I may go see George Wallace.

He's supposed to let me know.

Oh, on the wall.

Yeah.

Thank you very much.

So we'll be able to talk.

So we'll be able to do a lot of work.

Another name for Democrats that are next to each other.

So Dr. Davis in this time.

He's the president of the Christian Church in Washington.

He's a supporter of Johnson's.

He said he's here to show that he's here.

He's one of the best members of the Christian Church in the world.

He's the one that sent you up.

After the bombing.

He's the minister of the Christian church.

And they had noted that it was a small movement.

But the point is, that also relates, now that's Johnson's ministry, just up the ranch.

I'm sure he's the one who wrote you that.

He is, but it's the same man.

But this is the difference.

This is on all of us.

Yeah.

That's alright.

Also, they have embassy security personnel always making sure to watch out for them.

Thank you.

Somehow, and I'll use this one as another way to kind of, I didn't know about those two things until this morning.

He came in and told me he was going to do it.

And you keep saying I'm not going to schedule anything without working it out, you know, and we'll call it, your schedule plan is on.

But he had told me.

I had told him.

Yeah, I know.

I've talked to him about it too, but then he's now saying one of them is almost all Jewish.

It's that bad.

Those two, it doesn't make any difference whether it's better or not now.

It's sad.

And actually it probably isn't.

He's got two different meanings.

One of them he said is about 75% Jewish and the other one is not Jewish.

A Jewish thing might not be bad.

It could be all right.

You've got to keep working on the Jewish thing for a reason.

It's far more important than your hopes.

You can deny some of the monotheism all the time.

The Jewish monotheism is both, you know.

Thank you.

The way they shafted him at the convention, took care of his party, deserted him, and they made it very clear.

I'm not sure.

I've never heard of it.

I'm not sure.

I've never heard of it.

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or or or or

Right.

Also, I've got to give, I guess, that death penalty stuff in that folder, as you told me, you wanted that folder.

Whatever it is, these things, you know.

Yeah, we talked to the senator about the URC.

I don't know if you can get it out there.

I don't think

I don't think you want to add to that.

I don't want anybody on our shop doing anything except for background.

Unless we do it on national television.

Nothing should be done.

It shouldn't be anything for background.

It needs to be wasted.

Columns and so forth.

Okay.

We want to get to that.

That was probably last night.

Okay.

But I think what it gets down to is the women over there shooting at it.

And I want you to be there and rip the shit out of her and say, I don't care.

But also, I want you to tell Coase, please, to show great discretion, consideration, and so forth.

And, you know, use the women.

Have you ever talked to Coase?

Yeah.

Oh, she was awful.

Maybe I may go to the lady that she is.

I'm encouraged to get them all together and get a case there and see what kind of material fault I'm subject to and so forth.

They should sit back and eat each other.

He's got the time.

He hasn't.

Another point.

I think it's very important that he wants to be, not just a speaker, but he's a hell of a man.

And to take the national defense and national security being an issue.

You know, inviting him to make speeches.

I think he should go to California.

You know what I mean?

Put him into places where you can get the, if you've got a,

And, you know, he's an honest, straightforward guy.

He's an ambassador to NATO, you know, an ambassador to NATO.

We could write a hell of a speech for him, and he'd just go out and read that.

And, you know, he'll rewrite it himself, but he'll do well.

But, you know, it's that one guy.

Now, who do you give such an interesting, I don't know, opinion?

that you give such an idea.

No.

Well, we're putting him on the survey, but it's really what we should do so that he gets all the briefing materials that we'll have.

But he should be programmed.

separately because he's got a different kind of intelligence.

He can't just use it in a political thing.

I don't want him to use political intelligence.

I want him to be used on national defense issues, on national defense and foreign policy issues.

I think he should be used for those things.

I want you to talk to your secretary of the key

As I started this process, as I went around a few years ago, I told her, she was similar to me, that my procedure was to do it, don't worry about mistakes, and that's what my dad wanted to do.

But with the key, it's very important that on this

I think I've written a memorandum on that.

One of them is to go to the general files and get that back so that Rose can get those in her file.

This private, private memorandum, there must not be any leak around.

There's something floating around that's not going into the file.

Yeah, the problem you've got with that is you should do those on separate tapes because Rose keeps your tapes on file.

And as soon as Rose finds out that there's a tape, she gets the memo that you did want to kiss her and wanted to come.

And as soon as she sees a copy of that, then she wants the tape, put it in the tape box.

How are you going to do this?

I don't know.

I think we probably better not send anyone to do it unless they already have it.

Generally what they do is send those.

Keep those, keep those, make those private also.

Don't let those go.

In this particular case, but if you could do... Oh, I've got it.

I see, I see your point.

I will always, in the case, I'll put things for public distribution on one table, for private distribution on another table.

The reason I do this, Bob, is basically to just avoid any arguments, you know, about this or that, you know, it's just, and it's just, well, not to look at any secrets, but you know how it is.

All right, that's fine.

There's no problem.

Our discussion this morning is the urge that we reconsider the idea of non-answering the standard question type stuff.

Various magazines and AP and all that stuff that want to set out what are Nixon's views on these things.

The whole group of Colson are on the basis that

If we're running a campaign on the issues, this is a hell of a good way of at least appearing to be running a campaign on the issues without involving you in any direct activity.

But if it could be done, there's only one thing that I would say.

I will do it, and I will do it right.

Well, that's what we're talking about.

Well, it isn't breathing, it's breathing.

I, like the herdsmen, I will do a person, but only if he's written, and he's written a lot of words.

I'm not going to sit there and think about what I'm going to do.

No, I'd probably say we should do it to everybody in any event.

We should only do it on a selective basis.

Obviously, first is one we would do if they weren't the other way around.

But we've got to do it on a regular basis.

I don't think we'd lose anything.

I offered that for another reason.

I did it the 16th of January, but when I'm back, I'm in a little bit of a delay.

The rest of us were in that first two weeks trying to get out of those goddamn streets of crime.

We never, never, never, never, that was a terrible mistake.

But now we've got a staff of 100 people.

Well, of course, your answers are already written.

There's almost no question they can come up with that we don't already have.

And it's a simple matter of putting in, I would write the answers, but if I could make one suggestion, I'd be sure that they're looked at from a political standpoint.

The second point is that somebody has got to read, and I want to talk to John about this, somebody has got to look at some of these things, and it's not funny.

Now and then, not a few friends, but crazy.

I mean, something that sticks, something that remains.

I mean, rather than being so terribly responsible and dumb, you know.

I, uh, a small thing.

This morning, I did that movement with the girls.

And they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,

and a lot of people talk to them on the press

Probably in that stack.

If they don't have him on the stack, get him a Buchanan or a Sapphire or, you know, a Frasemaker.

Have a higher Frasemaker.

Do we have anybody in there?

Maybe, didn't you say we hired one of those, what about that look guy?

Can we get him maybe with some Frasemaker?

No, we've got the look guy.

Okay.

There's a button.

So I just tried to fix that.

So he said, well, it fell away.

He said that we increased the...

We had a chart showing the number of arrests that had gone up and doubled since we had been in office.

I said, let us find them out.

I said, what is this meeting?

He said, well, I said, you stood up very competently.

I said, well, that, he said that.

And I began to draw them out to try to get some money.

I said that it would be, and I put it this way.

I said, when we came in and we were on the defensive here, we were losing ground.

against the dangerous narcotic drugs.

Now we were on the defensive.

Now we've taken the offensive.

We are gaining ground as a result of the government

I said, we were on the 10-yard line, and they had the ball.

Now we're on the 50-yard line, and we have the ball, and we've got a long way to go.

They've got to think of something that, you know, that grabs, that snaps, that, you know, suggests the need.

Because I won't, I can't think of a, I mean, I'll try.

Sometimes I can name a phrase.

But I must say that I have never seen, and this is the amazing thing about John Erickson, because he is basically a politician.

His shop is always the dullest back-down stuff I've ever seen.

And I just don't think he's talked to it that way.

Do you think that's the problem at all?

Or maybe it's funny because he understands that.

And when he's flying on, he works his people over on it.

So they end up having to get on it personally.

Exactly the same thing.

We've got to say now, what lead do we want?

I don't want anything that I need with what there's ever going to be.

What is the lead sentence?

You know, John is thinking in terms of the lead.

We have the meeting in Trier now.

Don't do it.

Just which groups did I say we'd see?

Well, there were some.

Oh, right.

Okay.

the price group, but I don't, I don't think we should have to be canning in on that.

Right.

Having a separate, separate.

If you're going to have water on it, you probably ought to have the price in one can.

I mean, how priced you can.

Because that is a can's group.

See how many there are, but that's what it was the night before.

Well, oh yeah.

I don't get it.

Only five.

I don't get it.