{"conversationCode":"352-002","tapeNumber":352,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-352-002","startDateTime":"1972-07-26T20:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-26T20:59:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Jul-1972","startTime":"4:49 PM","endDate":"26-Jul-1972","endTime":"4:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rockefeller, Nelson A.;","description":"On July 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Nelson A. Rockefeller met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:49 pm to 4:59 pm. 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Mitchell\n     -Speaking abilities\n          -Comparison with MacGregor\n\nSomeone as spokesman\n    -New York\n\nThe President’s schedule\n     -Miami Convention\n     -California\n           -Possible forthcoming meeting with Rockefeller\n\nRockefeller’s schedule\n    -Minnesota\n          -Hubert H. Humphrey\n    -Ohio\n    -Pennsylvania\n    -California\n    -New York\n\nMacGregor\n   -Optimism\n         -Compared to Rockefeller\n   -Republicans in House, Senate\n         -Negativism\n\nMeetings with local and state officials\n    -Attitudes\n\nThe President's programs\n     -Welfare reform\n          -Passage through Congress\n     -Russell B. Long\n          -Amendments to programs\n     -Modifications\n\nAn aircraft [F-14]\n     -Purchase through Navy\n     -Defense Department\n     -Grumman aircraft\n            -Threat of bankruptcy\n                 -Nassau County","filename":["352-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rockefeller, Nelson A."],"prevCode":"352-001","nextCode":"352-003","transcript":[{"start":1.33,"end":1.79,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":3.17,"end":9.48,"text":"I understand that you were very pleased with Clark McGregor, and I guess, well, right, right."},{"start":9.5,"end":16.12,"text":"I was in with, let's see, oh, I think I was talking to, oh, but all people go and hang around the phone."},{"start":16.16,"end":16.98,"text":"That's not a lot."},{"start":44.92,"end":46.02,"text":"But tell me about climate."},{"start":46.04,"end":46.96,"text":"That's what's important."},{"start":46.98,"end":55.67,"text":"How do you do it?"},{"start":55.71,"end":64.58,"text":"Let me say, I haven't told you about that, but I was delighted to find that you were trying to accept that."},{"start":65.42,"end":67.48,"text":"We think that will..."},{"start":121.82,"end":122.52,"text":"He really did."},{"start":122.54,"end":123.76,"text":"That's great."},{"start":124.95,"end":125.89,"text":"Great, great, great."},{"start":126.93,"end":130.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":130.1,"end":131.45,"text":"I know."},{"start":131.47,"end":131.65,"text":"Sure."},{"start":134.76,"end":135.54,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":193.87,"end":194.89,"text":"case."},{"start":293.72,"end":294.76,"text":"Paul works hard."},{"start":422.48,"end":433.17,"text":"Anyway, that's what we're going to try."},{"start":433.31,"end":433.61,"text":"Right?"},{"start":433.81,"end":434.97,"text":"They're always tough."},{"start":434.99,"end":435.41,"text":"That's right."},{"start":435.99,"end":437.29,"text":"Well, good to talk to you."},{"start":437.57,"end":441.8,"text":"Yeah, go ahead."},{"start":441.82,"end":442.5,"text":"About the aircraft?"},{"start":443.32,"end":448.61,"text":"Yeah, I talked about it."},{"start":449.08,"end":449.69,"text":"What do you give?"},{"start":449.71,"end":451.93,"text":"Advice or something else?"},{"start":451.95,"end":452.05,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":452.48,"end":453.52,"text":"for the Navy."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard Nixon and Nelson A. Rockefeller discussed political strategy and the performance of campaign surrogate Clark MacGregor ahead of the 1972 election cycle. The conversation addressed the status of the President's legislative agenda, specifically welfare reform efforts involving Senator Russell B. Long, as well as political climates in key states. Additionally, the two touched upon the financial instability of the Grumman aircraft company and the potential for federal intervention via the Navy to prevent bankruptcy.","topics":["Clark MacGregor","1972 Presidential Campaign","Welfare Reform","Grumman Aircraft","Defense Procurement","Russell B. 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