{"conversationCode":"353-021","tapeNumber":353,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-353-021","startDateTime":"1972-08-03T20:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-03T20:45:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Aug-1972","startTime":"4:15 PM","endDate":"3-Aug-1972","endTime":"4:45 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On August 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 4:45 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 353-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 353-21\n\nDate: August 3, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 4:15 pm and 4:45 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President dictated a memorandum for the file.\n\n       Introduction\n\nThe President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon between 4:30 pm and 4:33 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 353-21A]\n\n[See Conversation No. 29-7; one item has been withdrawn]\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 6m 10s     ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nJohn D. Ehrlichman talked with the President between 4:44 pm and 4:45 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 353-21B]\n\n[See Conversation No. 29-8]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 7m 6s      ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["353-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"353-020","nextCode":"353-022","transcript":[{"start":4.52,"end":15.36,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":28.31,"end":32.4,"text":"You're meeting a COD, huh?"},{"start":32.42,"end":32.52,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":32.54,"end":32.78,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":32.86,"end":34.24,"text":"What time did you finish your next class?"},{"start":35.74,"end":39.91,"text":"Well, well, why don't you stay about five o'clock?"},{"start":39.93,"end":40.93,"text":"I'll take care of you."},{"start":41.05,"end":42.32,"text":"I'll be through about five."},{"start":42.34,"end":46.31,"text":"I'll give you time to finish your meeting."},{"start":46.33,"end":46.41,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon held brief discussions with First Lady Pat Nixon and aide John D. Ehrlichman while working from the Old Executive Office Building. The dialogue primarily concerned scheduling logistics for the remainder of the day, specifically coordinating the timing of the President's upcoming commitments. Nixon subsequently dictated a memorandum for the file to document his activities.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","White House operations","Pat Nixon","John Ehrlichman","Memorandum for the file"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T16:39:48.222Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","white-house-operations","pat-nixon","john-ehrlichman","memorandum-for-the-file"],"audioDurationSec":65,"audioFiles":[{"file":"353-021.mp3","bytes":1564838,"durationSec":65.15,"bitrate":192161,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.539Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:25.358Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/353-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/353-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/353/conversation-353-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}