{"conversationCode":"353-023","tapeNumber":353,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-353-023","startDateTime":"1972-08-03T20:57:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-03T20:59:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Aug-1972","startTime":"4:57 PM","endDate":"3-Aug-1972","endTime":"4:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Stennis, John C.;","description":"On August 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John C. Stennis met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:57 pm to 4:59 pm. 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(President)","Stennis, John C."],"prevCode":"353-022","nextCode":"353-024","transcript":[{"start":0.62,"end":1.06,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.19,"end":6.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":6.91,"end":7.11,"text":"Hello."},{"start":7.23,"end":8.17,"text":"God, I'm calling on two things."},{"start":8.71,"end":17.99,"text":"One, to wish you a happy birthday, and two, to thank you for another really great job on, you know, fighting under the appropriations."},{"start":18.01,"end":27.32,"text":"And we, unless it's sort of a tough vote, but now you've got the conference, and we just hope that some of it can be ironed out."},{"start":33.27,"end":36.78,"text":"I must say, we put them off a little bit."},{"start":36.8,"end":40.54,"text":"Particularly when we can't even provide to our own Republicans."},{"start":40.56,"end":42.88,"text":"The Vice President called me last night."},{"start":43.02,"end":44.67,"text":"He was re-operating."},{"start":45.77,"end":54.76,"text":"I said, well, I said, well, I said, I understand, you know, I understand our Democrats."},{"start":54.78,"end":61,"text":"I said, well, it's election year, but the Republicans have got no business doing this."},{"start":61.02,"end":61.12,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":64.59,"end":65.84,"text":"That was great."},{"start":65.86,"end":67.5,"text":"That was a great one."},{"start":71.31,"end":71.67,"text":"That was right."},{"start":71.69,"end":71.83,"text":"Right."},{"start":71.85,"end":72.99,"text":"Well, we don't win them all."},{"start":73.01,"end":85.15,"text":"And on this one, we hope the house is strong enough so that we can work it out in conference."},{"start":85.17,"end":85.29,"text":"No."},{"start":85.31,"end":85.49,"text":"Sure."},{"start":86.23,"end":88.63,"text":"Sure."},{"start":89.36,"end":89.5,"text":"Right."},{"start":89.52,"end":91.06,"text":"Well, good in heaven."},{"start":93.1,"end":95.1,"text":"You just, you appreciate it."},{"start":95.12,"end":102.65,"text":"You get, I can assure you that on this and more and without saying a thing, you don't know if you're on the right side."},{"start":102.67,"end":105.29,"text":"History will record it, but we just can't say much."},{"start":105.91,"end":106.67,"text":"And you know why."},{"start":108.81,"end":113,"text":"It's an L.A. that you get the, that's the next one I got to do."},{"start":113.02,"end":117.22,"text":"You go home and have a quiet dinner, I hope."},{"start":117.24,"end":117.86,"text":"You do that."},{"start":118.7,"end":119.1,"text":"Okay."},{"start":119.56,"end":119.76,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Senator John C. Stennis to offer birthday wishes and express appreciation for his legislative leadership regarding appropriations. The conversation addressed ongoing challenges with Republican support for the administration's fiscal agenda and the hope for favorable outcomes during upcoming budget conference committees. Nixon acknowledged the difficulties of the election year while reaffirming his private support for Stennis's efforts.","topics":["Appropriations","Fiscal policy","John C. 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