{"conversationCode":"354-013","tapeNumber":354,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-354-013","startDateTime":"1972-10-06T16:29:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-06T16:30:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:29 PM","endDate":"6-Oct-1972","endTime":"12:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On October 6, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:29 pm and 12:30 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 354-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 354-13\n\nDate: October 6, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 12:29 pm and 12:30 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n         The President's schedule\n             -Forthcoming meeting\n             -Departure for Camp David\n                 -Speech\n\nBull left at 12:30 pm.","filename":["354-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"354-012","nextCode":"354-014","transcript":[{"start":0.25,"end":28.54,"text":"See, it doesn't make that much difference to me."},{"start":28.56,"end":29.68,"text":"My feeling is that, uh, we could, uh, we could rock 330."},{"start":29.7,"end":30,"text":"We can't drive."},{"start":31.28,"end":36.1,"text":"Sorry."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met briefly to coordinate the President's immediate schedule and logistical arrangements. The discussion focused on upcoming appointments and the departure process for a trip to Camp David. During the meeting, they also addressed the logistics surrounding a scheduled speech.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Camp David","Logistics","Speech preparation"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T16:41:19.576Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","camp-david","logistics","speech-preparation"],"audioDurationSec":39,"audioFiles":[{"file":"354-013.mp3","bytes":934137,"durationSec":38.85,"bitrate":192341,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.539Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:25.526Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/354-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/354-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/354/conversation-354-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}