{"conversationCode":"354-017","tapeNumber":354,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-354-017","startDateTime":"1972-10-06T16:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-06T17:55:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:35 PM","endDate":"6-Oct-1972","endTime":"1:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.; Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On October 6, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:35 pm to 1:55 pm. 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McGovern's ability to deal with foreign affairs\n           -The President's meeting with Irish Foreign Minister\n           Patrick Hillery and with Thai officials\n\n        McGovern’s October 5, 1972 speech\n           -People's Republic Of China [PRC]\n               -Soviet Union\n               -Japan\n               -India\n                    -Indira Gandhi\n               -McGovern\n\nH.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 12:37 pm.\n\n         McGovern’s recent speech\n            -Gandhi\n                -PRC\n\n         Speech draft\n             -Raymond K. Price, Jr.\n             -Patrick J. Buchanan\n             -Typing\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 1h 14m 31s ]\n\nColson left at 1:40 pm.\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n         Issues\n             -McGovern's peace plan\n             -Vietnam War as issue\n                 -Henry A. Kissinger\n                 -Melvin R. Laird, William P. Rogers, Colson\n\n         The President's schedule\n             -Camp David\n             -Speech\n             -Marjorie P. Acker\n             -Buchanan and Price\n\nHaldeman left at 1:55 pm.","filename":["354-017.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W.","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"354-016","nextCode":"354-018","transcript":[{"start":0.32,"end":20.45,"text":"Well, I mean, the blacks are decent people."},{"start":20.47,"end":20.87,"text":"They're good people."},{"start":20.89,"end":21.21,"text":"They really are."},{"start":21.23,"end":21.63,"text":"They're not killers."},{"start":21.93,"end":48.62,"text":"We had a good meeting also."},{"start":49.42,"end":72.93,"text":"I bought my government's practice today."},{"start":73.49,"end":96.46,"text":"The line about communist China is about security."},{"start":96.48,"end":96.9,"text":"It's got to go right."},{"start":96.92,"end":97.28,"text":"It's a hero in me."},{"start":97.3,"end":97.4,"text":"Sure."},{"start":97.42,"end":97.92,"text":"It would scare the world."},{"start":97.94,"end":98.54,"text":"Well, it does a lot of things."},{"start":98.56,"end":99.22,"text":"First, it irritates the Russians."},{"start":99.24,"end":100.22,"text":"They don't want communist China dominating India."},{"start":100.24,"end":101.24,"text":"Second, it frightens the Japanese and Indonesians."},{"start":101.26,"end":102.26,"text":"It frightens 300 million people to death in India."},{"start":103,"end":129.24,"text":"Even the guy who matched her with Indians."},{"start":129.26,"end":129.82,"text":"Well, what's the difference?"},{"start":129.84,"end":130.38,"text":"They fight for the Chinese."},{"start":130.4,"end":130.72,"text":"They're hedging."},{"start":130.74,"end":131.1,"text":"That might change."},{"start":131.12,"end":131.5,"text":"Yes, he's just big."},{"start":131.52,"end":132.36,"text":"And she's supposed to rely on the Chinese."},{"start":132.38,"end":132.71,"text":"That's about it."},{"start":132.72,"end":132.93,"text":"It's done."},{"start":133.5,"end":159.6,"text":"I just wanted to have a little more meat in it."},{"start":169.62,"end":191.31,"text":"We've got a big fish waiting in line."},{"start":191.33,"end":191.69,"text":"It has to be here."},{"start":191.71,"end":192.09,"text":"It's actually here."},{"start":192.11,"end":192.57,"text":"That's what's going on."},{"start":192.59,"end":193.11,"text":"Everybody's going to fire."},{"start":193.13,"end":196.33,"text":"The television says they're going all out, you know, super, you know, demonstrations, and they're messing, and they're speaking out, and all this sort of stuff."},{"start":196.35,"end":197.15,"text":"It's supposed to be really conservative."},{"start":199.09,"end":222.31,"text":"I haven't been treated that way in years."},{"start":222.33,"end":223.83,"text":"The fact of it being peristaltic doesn't put something in the neighborhood."},{"start":223.85,"end":224.99,"text":"But it doesn't matter until they have a lady that I love."},{"start":225.01,"end":225.43,"text":"That's going to hurt."},{"start":225.45,"end":225.97,"text":"If we hit them with a car,"},{"start":227.66,"end":245.72,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":245.75,"end":246.26,"text":"I just saw it right there."},{"start":246.28,"end":246.79,"text":"Chuck's got a good point."},{"start":246.81,"end":247.29,"text":"He's got all the people."},{"start":247.31,"end":247.85,"text":"He might find out, I think."},{"start":247.87,"end":248.13,"text":"He's driving."},{"start":248.15,"end":248.45,"text":"He can't do it."},{"start":248.47,"end":249.11,"text":"He's got a chance, but it's not."},{"start":249.13,"end":249.55,"text":"Yeah, it's a problem."},{"start":249.57,"end":250.07,"text":"I must have picked it up."},{"start":270.28,"end":298.69,"text":"You need to work with them more than you can with all of them."},{"start":299.09,"end":310.94,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, Charles Colson, and H.R. Haldeman met to coordinate political messaging strategies regarding George McGovern's foreign policy critiques and Black community outreach. The discussion focused on characterizing McGovern's stances on the People's Republic of China and India as destabilizing to international relations, specifically regarding the Soviet Union and Japan. Additionally, the participants reviewed draft speech materials and discussed administrative efforts to counter McGovern’s Vietnam War proposals.","topics":["George McGovern","Vietnam War","Foreign Policy","People's Republic of China","Political Strategy","Black Issues"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T16:41:42.136Z"},"topicSlugs":["george-mcgovern","vietnam-war","foreign-policy","peoples-republic-of-china","political-strategy","black-issues"],"audioDurationSec":314,"audioFiles":[{"file":"354-017.mp3","bytes":7529533,"durationSec":313.65,"bitrate":192047,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.539Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:25.527Z","transcriptGapSeconds":237,"transcriptGapShare":0.75,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/354-017.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/354-017","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/354/conversation-354-017","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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