{"conversationCode":"355-008","tapeNumber":355,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-355-008","startDateTime":"1972-10-03T17:56:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-03T18:07:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Oct-1972","startTime":"1:56 PM","endDate":"3-Oct-1972","endTime":"2:07 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Connally, John B.;","description":"On October 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:56 pm to 2:07 pm. 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(President)","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"355-007","nextCode":"355-009","transcript":[{"start":0.07,"end":2.45,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":5.58,"end":6.48,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":7.38,"end":7.98,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":8.7,"end":18.66,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, I just didn't want to bother you, but I've been having such a terrible time."},{"start":18.68,"end":18.78,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":18.8,"end":19.64,"text":"You aren't feeling too bad, are you?"},{"start":30,"end":47.9,"text":"Right, right, right."},{"start":47.92,"end":53.76,"text":"Well, I think it was wise for you to put off your TV and do what you feel like, you know?"},{"start":53.78,"end":53.88,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":53.9,"end":54.54,"text":"Yeah, that's what I take it."},{"start":54.56,"end":55.4,"text":"That's what I mean."},{"start":55.42,"end":56.26,"text":"What I mean is time is not that important."},{"start":56.28,"end":56.92,"text":"You can do it next week as well."},{"start":56.95,"end":58.39,"text":"You can do what you plan to do next week then."},{"start":58.41,"end":58.97,"text":"Right."},{"start":58.99,"end":59.15,"text":"Correct."},{"start":62.99,"end":68.06,"text":"Right."},{"start":69.06,"end":69.64,"text":"Well, they come all the time."},{"start":69.66,"end":69.78,"text":"Right."},{"start":69.8,"end":70.62,"text":"Well, what is it?"},{"start":70.64,"end":71.31,"text":"How does it affect you otherwise?"},{"start":71.33,"end":84.95,"text":"It's just in your head and it shows up."},{"start":84.97,"end":85.07,"text":"What?"},{"start":85.09,"end":86.03,"text":"Sure, sure."},{"start":92.51,"end":99.66,"text":"God, that's a hell of a joke."},{"start":99.68,"end":99.86,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":99.89,"end":106.96,"text":"I know what you meant, too."},{"start":106.98,"end":107.89,"text":"You're here yesterday or Monday, huh?"},{"start":107.91,"end":108.05,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":108.06,"end":108.2,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":108.23,"end":108.83,"text":"Are you at Houston now?"},{"start":123.66,"end":150.93,"text":"What do you move from Washington?"},{"start":150.95,"end":151.05,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":151.07,"end":151.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":151.19,"end":151.29,"text":"Sure."},{"start":151.31,"end":151.49,"text":"Sure."},{"start":153.69,"end":166.09,"text":"Well, well, oh, I'm fine."},{"start":166.11,"end":167.99,"text":"I just couldn't feel better."},{"start":168.01,"end":170.9,"text":"I went on the back of the tour to California."},{"start":170.92,"end":175.16,"text":"That's kind of where I go across the country."},{"start":175.18,"end":176.66,"text":"But this week, just finished the salt thing today."},{"start":177,"end":180.03,"text":"And then we've got a couple of the rest of the week."},{"start":180.05,"end":180.65,"text":"But all, all of it, all of it."},{"start":180.67,"end":181.11,"text":"In Washington, I mean."},{"start":181.13,"end":182.13,"text":"And next week, I'm going out to..."},{"start":182.59,"end":192.3,"text":"If you know the plan, we're going to have the Atlanta one next week."},{"start":193.25,"end":193.69,"text":"It's moving up a week."},{"start":193.71,"end":203.26,"text":"This week has been going very well, but we haven't had too many good events internationally."},{"start":203.28,"end":203.76,"text":"How do you feel?"},{"start":203.78,"end":203.88,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":203.91,"end":204.25,"text":"All right."},{"start":204.26,"end":205.27,"text":"Well, you said that you checked with me."},{"start":205.29,"end":205.81,"text":"I asked you to."},{"start":215.42,"end":226.07,"text":"Well, the main thing is to breathe a little fresh air and just feel better."},{"start":226.09,"end":226.19,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":226.21,"end":226.8,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":226.82,"end":227.08,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":227.1,"end":227.64,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":227.66,"end":229.06,"text":"I don't know."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John B. 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