{"conversationCode":"357-004","tapeNumber":357,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-357-004","startDateTime":"1972-09-19T16:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-19T17:45:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Sep-1972","startTime":"12:51 PM","endDate":"19-Sep-1972","endTime":"1:45 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On September 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:51 pm and 1:45 pm. 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(“Cap”) Weinberger\n                    -Domestic Council staff\n                         -Edwin L. Harper\n                         -Kenneth W. Cole, Jr.\n                -Meeting [at F St. Club]\n                    -Size\n                    -Time\n                    -George P. Shultz\n                    -John B. Connally\n                    -The President's trip to Texas\n                         -John G. Tower\n                -Weinburger\n                    -Attendance at meeting\n                         -White House staff","filename":["357-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"357-003","nextCode":"357-005","transcript":[{"start":1.36,"end":7.05,"text":"Regarding the meeting at 4 o'clock, you gave some progress to the items."},{"start":7.07,"end":8.66,"text":"I think we're going to take that out tomorrow at about 3.30."},{"start":8.68,"end":23.46,"text":"And we'll go over that."},{"start":23.48,"end":24.28,"text":"And, uh, we're going to do one of those."},{"start":24.3,"end":24.93,"text":"We're going to do one of those."},{"start":24.95,"end":25.57,"text":"We're going to do one of those."},{"start":67.68,"end":79.1,"text":"What a situation on that."},{"start":79.12,"end":83.62,"text":"Right, let's make this a better question next year."},{"start":83.64,"end":83.77,"text":"Right."},{"start":83.79,"end":84.19,"text":"That's a good thing."},{"start":84.21,"end":93.48,"text":"Now, with regard to the meeting tomorrow, with regard to the meeting tomorrow, who are we going to have up there?"},{"start":93.5,"end":94.26,"text":"Who are we going to have up tomorrow?"},{"start":94.28,"end":94.82,"text":"I forget why I heard that."},{"start":97.48,"end":111.65,"text":"I don't want a whole bunch of domestic counsel."},{"start":111.67,"end":114.63,"text":"I don't want Cole and all that kind of stuff."},{"start":114.89,"end":118.64,"text":"Parker, et cetera."},{"start":118.98,"end":122.16,"text":"I know a lot of them do."},{"start":122.18,"end":124.28,"text":"I just want this to hold the projection of the future."},{"start":128.69,"end":136.94,"text":"Did they blind her to the window?"},{"start":140.7,"end":142,"text":"Hold up."},{"start":143.62,"end":143.88,"text":"I don't care."},{"start":143.9,"end":146.5,"text":"Yeah, then they can come back if they want to."},{"start":146.53,"end":146.78,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":146.81,"end":147.19,"text":"I had to come back."},{"start":147.21,"end":149.57,"text":"Apparently that thing in the evening was a big one."},{"start":149.59,"end":155.07,"text":"I thought it was too small."},{"start":155.09,"end":155.55,"text":"It was about 60 people."},{"start":174.32,"end":180.84,"text":"No, I don't."},{"start":180.86,"end":182.94,"text":"Well, they're not their programs."},{"start":183.75,"end":185.09,"text":"They started in 1945."},{"start":185.11,"end":185.37,"text":"So that's it."},{"start":204.52,"end":213.11,"text":"Well, I really rather think they're pretty much ."},{"start":213.13,"end":224.61,"text":"But really, since we're going to Texas the next day, I really don't think there's that much to comment on."},{"start":233.65,"end":240.18,"text":"What about the others?"},{"start":252.73,"end":253.23,"text":"That's the purpose of it."},{"start":271.75,"end":290.9,"text":"I think I'll pass that."},{"start":290.92,"end":292.36,"text":"But then I think if wine burglars come up tomorrow, that would be ideal."},{"start":292.38,"end":295.57,"text":"But I don't want, a lot of them, I don't want to set up my healers, or I don't want to set people up for the purpose of not being able to do anything about it."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman reviewed upcoming scheduling commitments, including a strategy meeting at Camp David and a planned event at the F St. Club. Nixon emphasized limiting the attendance of Domestic Council staff at the Camp David session to maintain a focus on future policy projections. 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