{"conversationCode":"357-007","tapeNumber":357,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-357-007","startDateTime":"1972-09-21T18:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-21T19:15:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Sep-1972","startTime":"2:16 PM","endDate":"21-Sep-1972","endTime":"3:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On September 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:16 pm and 3:15 pm. 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Lungren’s office\n                 -Woods's conversation with unknown person\n                 -Possible action\n\n             Issues\n                 -Changes in George S. McGovern's position on specific issues\n                     -Compared to Barry M. Goldwater","filename":["357-007.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"357-006","nextCode":"357-008","transcript":[{"start":1.03,"end":22.83,"text":"Oh, Rose, would you ask them to have the fire at 530, please?"},{"start":22.85,"end":23.07,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":23.09,"end":24.09,"text":"Isn't that really something about London's office?"},{"start":24.11,"end":26.12,"text":"You know, it's sort of like this."},{"start":26.14,"end":28.54,"text":"It's kind of like the conversation you have with your friend, isn't it?"},{"start":28.56,"end":29.48,"text":"If they're so desperate,"},{"start":42.3,"end":55.89,"text":"What I'm concerned about from this point of view, and you're very curious, I think that's what makes them make something in."},{"start":55.91,"end":57.43,"text":"So if they could put the other guy, you know, I'd give another hand to them."},{"start":57.45,"end":58.17,"text":"I think they're that much better."},{"start":58.19,"end":58.57,"text":"See your point?"},{"start":77.94,"end":81.79,"text":"Well, Gary kept his own hardcore, too."},{"start":81.81,"end":86.3,"text":"Gary didn't change his position."},{"start":86.32,"end":89.36,"text":"He didn't change his position."},{"start":89.39,"end":96.84,"text":"His true believers thought he was going to win, but this guy was changing his position so much that he was beginning to get his own believers that were wondering if he was going to jump another jump or not."},{"start":96.86,"end":96.98,"text":"Right."},{"start":97,"end":97.1,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and personal secretary Rose Mary Woods discuss the security breach at the office of Dr. John C. Lungren and compare George McGovern’s shifting campaign positions to those of Barry Goldwater. Nixon expresses concern regarding the motivations behind the break-in while analyzing the political volatility caused by McGovern's frequent policy changes. The pair discusses these strategic developments in the context of the ongoing presidential campaign.","topics":["John C. 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