{"conversationCode":"357-009","tapeNumber":357,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-357-009","startDateTime":"1972-09-21T18:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-21T19:15:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Sep-1972","startTime":"2:16 PM","endDate":"21-Sep-1972","endTime":"3:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On September 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:16 pm and 3:15 pm. 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Lungren\n                -Reactions to release of information to establish record\n                    -The President’s view\n                -Lungren’s staff\n                -Watergate break-in\n                    -Compared with break-in of Lungren’s office\n                         -The President’s view\n                         -Police report\n                -Break-in of Lungren’s office\n                    -Public relations\n                         -Need to disseminate information\n                         -Public reaction\n                    -Rose Mary Woods\n                         -Conversation with unknown person\n                    -Dealing with Watergate","filename":["357-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"357-008","nextCode":"357-010","transcript":[{"start":0.42,"end":12.58,"text":"Oh, he's not wondering yet."},{"start":12.6,"end":20.73,"text":"What's his reaction?"},{"start":22.99,"end":24.92,"text":"What about his idea of putting her in reality?"},{"start":24.94,"end":25.04,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":25.06,"end":25.58,"text":"It's all physical, I mean."},{"start":25.6,"end":27.56,"text":"I don't think physical's too bad, actually."},{"start":27.58,"end":27.68,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":27.78,"end":28.4,"text":"Cholesterol, you love it a lot."},{"start":46.59,"end":53.47,"text":"to talk about going to his own staff."},{"start":59.87,"end":59.97,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":59.99,"end":60.09,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":79.82,"end":101.92,"text":"I thought this was almost a little bit incredible because I hadn't thought about what she said about the wiring."},{"start":101.94,"end":102.76,"text":"I don't know what her answer was to that."},{"start":102.78,"end":102.86,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":102.88,"end":103.16,"text":"This is worse."},{"start":103.18,"end":103.98,"text":"This is the president's medical record."},{"start":104,"end":104.72,"text":"This is an involved approach."},{"start":104.74,"end":107.11,"text":"And has anything been reported in the police yet at all?"},{"start":108.86,"end":114.07,"text":"You see what I mean?"},{"start":114.09,"end":116.64,"text":"I just don't want to blow up."},{"start":116.66,"end":117.86,"text":"We've got it."},{"start":117.88,"end":119.62,"text":"He's leading everything as it is."},{"start":119.64,"end":120.71,"text":"How do we get the story out?"},{"start":120.73,"end":121.31,"text":"There's going to be a charge."},{"start":121.33,"end":122.73,"text":"There's going to be a topic."},{"start":124.02,"end":125.82,"text":"Better talk to some people and see how the"},{"start":139.22,"end":160.41,"text":"I really think, I really don't think that we ought to just forget it, you know what I mean?"},{"start":160.44,"end":168.58,"text":"I just think we've got to make something out of it, because they didn't do this for any, they did this for a purpose, and they've got to, they've got to do something about it."},{"start":183.33,"end":186.71,"text":"Okay, thanks."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman discuss the political implications of a break-in at the office of Dr. John C. Lungren, the President's personal physician. They deliberate on how to leverage the incident for public relations purposes and draw strategic parallels between this intrusion and the ongoing Watergate scandal. The discussion emphasizes the need to control the narrative surrounding the break-in and ensure the story is disseminated effectively to the public.","topics":["John C. 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