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Conversation 359-004

TapeTape 359StartThursday, September 7, 1972 at 2:45 PMEndThursday, September 7, 1972 at 3:05 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building
AudioNARA Description

On September 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:45 pm to 3:05 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 359-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 359-4

Date: September 7, 1972
Time: 2:45 pm - 3:05 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

             The President's schedule
                 -Diplomatic credentials ceremony

                                       (rev. Oct-06)

             News stories
                -Middle East
                -Governors
                -Middle East
                     -Israelis
                          -Raid
                               -Lebanon
                     -Telephone call from Louis P. Harris
                     -Effect on campaign

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An unknown person talked with the President at an unknown time between 2:45 pm and 3:05
pm.

[Conversation No. 359-4A]

             [Schedule]

[End of telephone conversation]

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          Public relations
              -Press story on John B. Connally
                   -The President’s instructions
                   -Defense of Connally
                   -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, Robert J. Dole
                        -Conversation with the President
                            -Defense of Connally
                   -Congress
                        -John G. Tower
              -Leadership meeting on domestic policies
                   -Hugh Scott
                   -John D. Ehrlichman
                   -Texas
                        -George S. McGovern
              -Connally
                   -Press story
                   -Washington Post
                        -Connally's reactions
                   -Charges
                   -The President’s reaction
                        -The President’s instructions at leadership meeting

          Foreign affairs
              -Thomas G. Dunn of Elizabeth, New Jersey
                   -William F. Rhatican
              -Killing of Israeli athletes at 1972 Olympic Games
                   -McGovern's actions
                        -Jewish voters
                   -The President's actions
                   -Comparison to Northern Ireland
                   -Dunn’s view

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Colson left at 3:05 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Well, it's a good day.
Well, I think I've got to run over now.
Sir, you'd better not be so late.
The news is still, of course, the big story is still the Middle East.
Right.
The backstab is not going to do it.
Right.
Don't make any.
We're not using any yet.
No, I've pulled another one back today.
We had a good one, and I just killed it.
The governor says the governor's dead, because I'm sure they would have been lost.
With the Israelis going into weather...
The raiding started.
The raiding.
That's where we are.
But that'll weaken us, I would think, so they don't try to take the country.
But I think that that's still stirring in the spirit.
I would value an election-wise recovery.
Would that happen?
Let them.
Frankly, the whole week is just a killer of a government.
This is great.
Harris this morning called me and said, you're so lucky.
He said, this is just taking everybody's minds off.
I don't care who presented it.
I want you to put something down.
I want you to tell me.
I want Conley to defend it now.
I told you that he didn't work in here or anything, but he indulged in it.
But, you know, God and I want him to defend it.
And who's going to do it?
I want somebody to investigate it.
You'll say something.
He's taking it very well.
How about putting it...
I would be upset if I had his support.
I'd be worried.
But where were they heading there?
The last person, even Scott, he was just saying it's a terrible damn thing, a vicious thing.
A cold, a cold word, I mean, you know, or... Let's get it done.
I'm about several people to speak up.
Colleagues.
I'll be sent to you about it.
Well, you let us visit him.
But he's still going about it.
Sure.
No, I hear you.
I know, and he's still... Oh, he's still...
You know, at first he was insistent.
He was sure to give me a call if I could sell it.
I was, when I was broken up, I raised the bar on here, and I ordered, I ordered, and I raised the leadership meeting, and I told the mayor, and I told the whole region, I want that problem.
I'm just mad as hell, and I'm not going to have these snares.
You've got to get down hard, Chuck, with the snares.
You shouldn't be snaring everybody.
Yeah, that's coming through.
This little mayor, Mayor, uh, uh, uh,
Let's look now.
He's here today.
He may be over at your service.
I told the people.
I told Bill Ryan.
I told Bill Ryan.
I told Bill Ryan.
I told Bill Ryan.
I told Bill Ryan.
I told Bill Ryan.
I told Bill Ryan.
I told Bill Ryan.
I told Bill Ryan.
political mileage of the church.
He said that really just saw adverse men, didn't it?
He said that really may have helped the Jews.
They are pretty funny, don't they?
Well, I've done as much as I'm going to do.
I don't think a country can turn on these people just for a gun.
Northern Ireland was getting killed every day.
You would look, if you did more, you would look like you were free and you'd get chronic political hate.
That was a sharp rule of Irish.
Perceptive kind.
He said, it looked like the son of a bitch was crying.
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