{"conversationCode":"359-013","tapeNumber":359,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-359-013","startDateTime":"1972-09-14T18:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-14T18:45:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Sep-1972","startTime":"2:44 PM","endDate":"14-Sep-1972","endTime":"2:45 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Aspinall, Wayne N.;","description":"On September 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Wayne N. Aspinall met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:44 pm to 2:45 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 359-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 359-13\n\nDate: September 14, 1972\nTime: 2:44 pm - 2:45 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Wayne N. Aspinall.\n\n             Aspinall’s primary election\n                 -Loss\n\n                                        (rev. Oct-06)\n\n                 -The President's support","filename":["359-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Aspinall, Wayne N."],"prevCode":"359-012","nextCode":"359-014","transcript":[{"start":0.89,"end":1.25,"text":"Fine."},{"start":8.68,"end":8.9,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":8.92,"end":24.95,"text":"I just wanted you to know that a lot of your old friends were mighty sorry to see you lose that primary, and we just appreciate your work for the country."},{"start":24.97,"end":26.83,"text":"Well, I've followed you for 25 years, you know, so..."},{"start":27.96,"end":43.29,"text":"You've been here a lot longer than I, and I do know that sometimes you come to the end of the road, but you want to remember all the ones you won and forget the ones you lost."},{"start":43.31,"end":43.49,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":43.51,"end":44.13,"text":"Good luck to you, then."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called Representative Wayne N. Aspinall to express personal regrets regarding Aspinall's recent loss in the primary election. The President commended Aspinall for his long tenure of service to the country and encouraged him to focus on his past political achievements rather than the defeat. The brief exchange served as a professional courtesy to acknowledge Aspinall's legislative career.","topics":["Wayne N. Aspinall","Primary election","Congressional relations","Election loss","Political support"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T16:50:52.859Z"},"topicSlugs":["wayne-n-aspinall","primary-election","congressional-relations","election-loss","political-support"],"audioDurationSec":47,"audioFiles":[{"file":"359-013.mp3","bytes":1134131,"durationSec":47.19,"bitrate":192279,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.539Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/359-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/359-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/359/conversation-359-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}