Conversation 360-005

TapeTape 360StartFriday, September 8, 1972 at 2:13 PMEndFriday, September 8, 1972 at 3:01 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  Bull, Stephen B.;  Nixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On September 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:13 pm to 3:01 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 360-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 360-5

Date: September 8, 1972
Time: 2:13 pm - 3:01 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

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The President met with Charles W. Colson.

         The President's schedule
          -Meeting with Cabinet and Republican Congressional leaders, September 12, 1972
          -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
          -Poll figures
          -George P. Shultz
          -Vietnam War
          -Tone
          -Economic issue

         Michael J. Mansfield’s possible trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
          -Henry A. Kissinger's conversation with Mansfield
          -Administration position
          -Administration statements
                   -Colson’s view
                       -Lyndon B. Johnson
                       -Demonstrators

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         Vietnam War
          -Leak
                  -William J. Porter
                  -Colson’s efforts
                  -Joseph W. Alsop
                  -Abram Chayes

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                        -Possible statement
                    -Robert J. Dole

          Economic issues
            -Herbert Stein speech
                     -Network coverage
            -Food prices
                     -Earl L. Butz
          -Presentation
            -Peter G. Peterson
                     -New York City
                     -Thomas R. Shepherd, Jr.
            -Herbert G. Klein
            -Robert H. Finch
            -Richard A. Moore
          -McGovern’s policies
            -Taxes and spending
            -Lifestyle
            -Welfare proposal
                     -Congress
                     -Income levels
                     -Administration response
                         -The president’s instructions
            -Richard Dougherty’s staement

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:13 pm.

          The President's schedule
           -Camp David
           -Folder
           -Forthcoming meeting
                    -Maurice H. Stans

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:01 pm.

          Issues
            -John G. Tower
            -Charles H. Percy
            -Polls
            -Vietnam War
                    -Percy

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               -McGovern
          -Support by American people
          -Poll
               -Louis P. Harris profile
          -The President's May 8, 1972 decision to mine Haiphong
           harbor
               -The president’s view
-Watergate
 -The President’s view
 -1701 Pennsylvania Avenue
          -Surveillance
               -Leak
 -Dole’s forthcoming press conference
          -Announcement
          -Speechwriters
               -The President’s instructions to Colson
                   -“Cover-up” charge
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
               -Style

US-Soviet Union grain deal
 -Announcement
          -Butz
               -Forthcoming press conference
          -McGovern
          -1964
               -George Meany
 -Public relations
          -McGovern
 -Butz
          -Colson’s view
          -The President’s view
          -Possible comments on Clarence D. Palmby

James R. (“Jimmy”) Hoffa
  -Planned trip to Hanoi
          -Passport
          -[William L. Taub]
          -Colson’s recent telephone conversation with Frank E. Fitzsimmons
          -William P. Rogers’s recent telephone calls to Meany and Fitzsimmons

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1972 campaign finances
 -McGovern
         -Henry Kimmelman
              -The President’s view
 -John B. Connally
 -Alleged violations
         -Maurice Stans
         -Media
              -John Ehrlichman’s conversation with the President
              -Butz
         -Investigation
              -General Accounting Office [GAO]
              -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]

1972 New Hampshire campaign
 -Vietnam War
         -Wesley Powell
             -Possible White House visit
             -Thomas J. McIntyre
 -Louis C. Wyman
 -Thomas J. McIntyre
 -McGovern
 -Wyman
         -William Loeb
 -McIntyre
         -McGovern
 -Loeb

Edward M. Kennedy
 -Amanda Burden
 -Source of information
 -Chappaquiddick
 -R. Sargent Shriver
 -Edmund S. Muskie
         -National Inquirer magazine

Louis P. Harris poll
 -Monday magazine
 -Shriver

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1972 campaign practices
 -Charges
          -The President's conduct of the Vietnam War
          -McGovern’s campaign
 -Poll data
          -Charts
 -The President's campaign role
 -Presidential candidates
          -Minimum vote percentage
 -Stans and John N. Mitchell
          -Invitation to forthcoming meeting
 -Powell
          -Role

         -Issues
              -Vietnam
              -Busing
              -National defense
              -Portsmouth, New Hampshire
                  -Military bases
                      -McGovern
                          -George H. Gallup

1972 New Hampshire campaign
 -Robert C. Hill

The President's schedule
 -1972 campaign
          -The President’s view
          -Colson’s view
               -Media and press coverage
                   -National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
          -Colson's conversation with an unknown person
               -Congressional candidacy

Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
 -Press conference
          -Surrogates

1972 campaign
 -US-Israel policy

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            -1972 campaign issue
                    -Jews
            -McGovern campaign
                    -Organizational discussion
                        -Gordon Weil
                             -Pacifism
            -Polls
                    -Gallup and Louis P. Harris polls
            -Eugene J. McCarthy

          Instructions

Colson left at 3:01 pm.

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They're realizing, too, these guys are bringing things up a little bit, except for the person who's going to have a lot of fun.
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I'm getting into some colorful language.
This is the most difficult.
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to get the writers to think this through a lot better.
Let's get the writers to work on that in order to make it more colorful.
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