Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 360-006
Date: Friday, September 8, 1972 at 3:01 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Krogh, Egil ("Bud"), Jr.; Sanchez, Manolo
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/360-006

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[0:01] Thank you.
[0:23] Thank you.
[0:57] All right.
[1:24] I was thinking a little after our meeting today.
[1:59] I think we've got to find a way to get the money to be smuggled to us in the right forms.
[2:18] I'm calling for some judges.
[2:19] I have a follow-up.
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[2:36] The hell with that.
[2:55] I don't want to .
[2:56] The only thing we want
[2:56] Why don't we do this?
[3:18] Right after our future pregnancy.
[3:39] He's still got a child.
[3:39] He's the nanny of the baby.
[3:40] I'm not ready to talk about .
[3:41] Well, of course, that's one of the best .
[4:08] Now, on the president.
[4:10] On the other hand, as far as .
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[4:58] I wondered if there was any way I could suggest .
[5:29] I don't know why we can't do it.
[5:51] Why can't we?
[5:52] I don't know.
[5:52] I'd love to.
[5:52] Why do we have these damn judges here?
[5:53] Oh, yeah.
[5:53] We've got a whole file full of them today.
[5:54] It's the Administrator's Association.
[5:55] Maybe you want to pick one of those up.
[5:56] It's all about discipline.
[5:56] So they can be on the interior of the county level.
[5:58] There we go.
[6:25] and they can suspend attendance.
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[7:02] Thank you.
[7:29] Well, but if you would .
[7:55] I don't know .
[7:55] I don't know whether .
[7:56] He's very proud.
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[8:27] I don't know.
[8:55] What do you think?
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[8:56] Rather than just going in and talking to each other, they just take us home and they say, well, this isn't the way.
[9:19] It doesn't do something.
[9:20] It doesn't even matter for some reason.
[9:20] You take a position that is a mandatory sentencing position within the discretion statute.
[9:23] In other words,
[9:24] You can hear each other's e-mail stewardship.
[9:43] American people are looking, and I see American people here, but we're looking to do a crackdown on the book.
[9:46] We're looking for you to make an example.
[9:50] And there are good public policy resources, but we haven't had any discretionary things on the books.
[9:53] I recommend that you read the Bible letter.
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[10:17] I don't know.
[10:43] I don't know.
[10:46] We've done this before.
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[10:47] the whole move in the country about the subject of criminal justice.
[11:01] And I don't think anybody else has done it, even on the ground.
[11:12] That's right.
[11:12] That's true.
[11:12] What I want to do, though, Connolly has a point.
[11:13] He said it's a great job .
[11:14] going back and letting the judges all over the country .
[11:37] But nevertheless, we've been busting out.
[11:38] The judges are doing a lot of what they saw here.
[11:39] And also, the probation officers are in the house.
[11:40] They have to be .
[11:40] And we all know this, but God, we want to be kind to some of the people who have cancer.
[12:01] I have three kids that go on welfare, and I'm not called by their father, but if I can get a good heart rate in the state of San Francisco, maybe it's the state.
[12:05] And I went to the Navy for radio talk.
[12:21] I went to the Navy for radio talk.
[12:22] And they were just saying that I had to address it.
[12:23] And I said, judge me.
[12:23] Judge me.
[12:23] Prosecute me.
[12:24] That would be time.
[12:24] And mail it to every damn judge, every prosecutor, every person.
[12:25] That was it.
[12:26] You might say that I, after meeting with these people, decided it was necessary to make the name radio station.
[12:47] Why follow the Japanese?
[12:48] So if you don't need a book, go on a reading, do it on Sunday, read it on Monday morning.
[13:10] We can say that we've done this.
[13:11] We've done this.
[13:11] You get your chance to read your press release on the record.
[13:13] And secondly, I have met with four people.
[13:13] They are very dedicated to what they say about the problem of soft judges being judges.
[13:15] The problem is prosecutors.
[13:16] The problem is some probation officers who go to court.
[13:17] thinking of the rights of the criminal and not of the rights of the innocent.
[13:29] So I think a racial problem might be good.
[13:31] I don't mind the idea, John.
[13:32] stopping sometimes we're out in order to get a vision
[13:58] If you did that, though, what are you really getting out of the group?
[14:14] Let's look at that.
[14:41] Let's look at .
[14:41] And then what we need now ..
[14:42] The administration ..
[14:43] We now have the laws, we have the tools, and those responsible are those who enforce the law.
[14:56] Those are responsible.
[14:59] So there are prosecutors, there are judges, and there are probation officers.
[15:02] And there are the weaknesses that we have.
[15:04] And the cops raise the cops.
[15:05] They go out in the beat and get a horrible example.
[15:06] Here's a guy, I mean, he works his tail off.
[15:08] Here's a guy, and if you make up an example,
[15:10] Over and over again, I've had people report to the police.
[15:33] And then a soft-headed judge that's gone.
[15:35] Not soft-hearted, soft-headed.
[15:36] I choose that word.
[15:36] A soft-headed judge.
[15:37] That kind of name calling is a little bit of a strike home for a lot of you guys.
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[16:07] But it occurred to me that that's really what we need now.
[16:22] We need to have the wall.
[16:23] We have the White House at the highest level backing up the House, backing up the government.
[16:25] We've got the money.
[16:26] We've got to do it.
[16:26] We have passed the wall.
[16:27] We have passed laws.
[16:27] We've appropriated money.
[16:28] The White House has passed laws.
[16:29] We've appropriated money.
[16:29] We're doing what the international community should be doing.
[16:32] The problem is, the problem now is we have to push it.
[16:34] But I feel very strongly about it.
[17:02] No, I think we should do it.
[17:20] I think .
[17:21] Well, the other thing is .
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[17:51] about these judges.
[18:11] All these guys .
[18:28] All these guys .
[18:37] Is that right here?
[18:43] Yeah.
[18:43] The whole audience broke out in tears.
[19:02] Really?
[19:03] Yeah.
[19:03] Great.
[19:03] I'm sure you'll become a wrong-er.
[19:04] I'm going to take the judges on.
[19:05] I'm going to do it.
[19:05] Why should they be sick?
[19:06] I don't mean to put them up for recall or say, Stephen, we're back.
[19:17] We need judges with backbone.
[19:19] What's that word?
[19:22] Backbone.
[19:22] The purpose now, Stephen, is the judiciary.
[19:28] We've done our job.
[19:29] The Congress has done their job.
[19:29] That's right.
[19:30] Now we need an actual change of attitude from the part of the judges.
[19:33] They're out of step.
[19:34] You say there are thousands of judges and prosecutors that are outspending the country.
[19:56] What do people in this country want?
[19:57] They want .
[19:57] And she goes beyond our country.
[19:58] She also covers street crime.
[19:58] She gets that into street crime.
[19:59] So we get that into .
[20:00] Christ is also a faithful God.
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[21:06] No cell.
[21:36] And so he bought it right then and there.
[22:00] Yeah.
[22:30] They didn't do that.
[22:58] Thank you.
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[24:06] Well, our guy was a Catholic.
[24:24] He's all right.
[24:31] I saw that .
[24:31] You know, he reminded me of that horse.
[24:32] Remember the horse ?
[24:34] No, not .
[24:35] And the worst fall of the Grand Rhymes is the Dead Rhymes.
[24:59] That's where the building just a little bit more on the line.
[25:01] And the Russians don't have a run for their money.
[25:02] The Russians don't have a run for their money.
[25:03] And so that's the reason we have the Grand Rhymes,
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[25:34] I saw him.
[25:50] 5,000 meters.
[26:01] 5,000 meters.
[26:01] 10,000 meters.
[26:02] I saw the finishing pass yesterday.
[26:02] 5,000 meters.
[26:03] 5,000 meters.
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[27:33] So after it's finished, what happens to the metals?
[28:01] The whole coliseum is filled with gold.
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[29:15] I don't know whether
[29:36] I don't want to talk about what we're doing.
[30:03] We have the write-offs and all that crap.
[30:04] We've got them.
[30:05] We've got .
[30:05] You all are.
[30:20] Thank you.
[30:44] You give him those terms and see if anything happens back.
[31:14] That was a good meeting.
[31:43] I think they were
[31:44] They're all so young.
[31:50] Well, I think maybe it gives them a charge.
[32:07] One of those kids worked for a long time.
[32:07] And here these kids are all more blessed, I'm sure.
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[32:37] Do they like their work?
[32:58] Yes, sir.
[32:59] They know they're doing something important to do.
[33:03] The thing they ought to do, too, but they want to .
[33:05] Good.
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