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Conversation 360-009

TapeTape 360StartFriday, September 8, 1972 at 3:44 PMEndFriday, September 8, 1972 at 4:40 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  [Unknown person(s)];  Bull, Stephen B.;  Stans, Maurice H.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building
AudioNARA Description

On September 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Stephen B. Bull, and Maurice H. Stans met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:44 pm to 4:40 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 360-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 360-9

Date: September 8, 1972
Time: 3:44 pm - 4:40 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

         John D. Ehrlicnman’s son
           -Graduation from law school

         Public relations
          -Press secretary’s [Richard Daugherty’s] statement
                    -George S. McGovern
                        -Ronald L. Ziegler

         Polls
          -Results
                     -Support for the President
                         -Categories
                             -Blue collar workers
                     -George H. Gallup

         1972 campaign practices
          -The President’s policies
                  -Haldeman’s view
                      -Responses to McGovern
                           -Clark MacGregor
                      -The People's Republic of China [PRC]
                      -World Leaders

                                      (rev. Oct-06)

                       -White House guest lists
                       -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                           -Role

         Issues
           -Vietnam War
                   -McGovern’s charges
                        -Ziegler’s responses
           -George H.W. Bush
                   -Haldeman’s conversations
                   -Possible speech on foreign policy
                        -Responses to McGovern
           -Unknown person
                   -Possible candidacy for Senate
           -Crime
                   -Ehrlichman and Egil G. (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
           -Presentation of issues
                   -The President’s role
                        -The president’s view
                   -John B. Connally
                   -The President's schedule

         The president’s schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting
                   -Alexander F. Douglas-Home
                       -Dinner
                       -William P. Rogers
          -White House dinners for Home and Andrei A. Gromyko
                   -Size
                       -The President’s view
                   -Blue Room
                   -Previous administrations

The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:44 pm and 4:00
pm.

[Conversation No. 360-9A]

         The President's schedule
          -Stephen B. Bull

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[End of telephone conversation]

Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:44 pm.

          Instructions for Bull
            -Franklin D. Roosevelt
                     -Birthdate
            -Theodore R. Roosevelt
                     -Age at death

Bull left and Maurice H. Stans entered at 4:00 pm.

          Greetings

          The President's Executive Office Building office
           -Seating arrangements
           -Stans’ previous meetings with the President
                    -Oval Office
           -The President’s work habits
                    -Oval Office
                    -Previous Presidents

          Forthcoming Cabinet briefing
           -Thomas W. Evans
                   -John N. Mitchell
           -Anne Armstrong and Evans
                   -Connally
                   -Cabinet officials
                   -Robert J. Dole
                   -Women
                       -Barbara H. Franklin
                       -Armstrong

          1972 campaign finances
           -General Accounting Office [GAO] report
                   -Filing, September 11, 1972
           -George S. McGovern
                   -Contributions
                        -Henry Kimmelman
                             -The President’s view

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An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 4:00 pm.

         Refreshment

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:35 pm.

         1972 campaign finances
          -Kimmelman
                  -Dwayne D. Andrews

         US–Soviet Union grain deal
          -Recent telephone call from Thomas C. (:Teddy”) Gleason

         1972 campaign finances
          -Andreas
                   -Telephone conversation with Kimmelman
                        -Herbert H. Humphrey contribution
          -Contributors to McGovern
                   -Stewart R. Mott
          -Legislation
          -McGovern’s conversation with Andreas
          -Radio advertising
                   -Costs
          -Public relations
                   -Media
                   -Public mood
          -Committee to Re-elect the President [CRP]
                   -Expenditures
                        -Television [TV], radio, newspaper
                        -Billboards
                        -Democratic charges
                             -Responses
                                 -Direct mail, telephone calls
                                   -TV
                                 -McGovern
          -Contributors
                   -McGovern
          -Fundraising efforts
          -Expenditures
                   -Personnel
                        -Lawyers

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            -Use of telephone
                -Precinct workers
                     -Registration
            -Newspaper advertising
                -Editorial support
 -Pledges
          -Small contributors
 -John N. Mitchell's role
 -Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr. suit
          -Robert J. Dole's role
          -Watergate burglers
          -CRP
 -The President's role
          -Fundraising dinners
               -California
                   -The President’s role
                   -San Francisco
                        -David Packard
               -Los Angeles, New York
               -Chicago
                   -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
 -Amounts
          -Public relations
 -Public relations
          -Issues
               -McGovern
          -Radio
          -October 10, 1972
          -Use of TV
               -Duration
               -Celebrities
               -Possible contributions
               -Celebrities

The President's schedule
 -Hugh W. Sloan, Jr.
          -Previous meeting with the President
          -Forthcoming testimony
          -Previous meeting
               -Deborah (Murray) Sloan

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Support for the President
 -Catholics
          -Letter to Stans from nun
               -Jews
               -Democratic voters
               -Reaction to McGovern's supporter’s lifestyle

House building industry
   -Audio tape for National Association of Homebuilders convention and
   fundraising dinners
         -Compared to videotape
              -McGovern
              -Public domain
              -George W. Romney
 -Possible message from the President
         -Videotape
 -Closed circuit

1972 campaign issues
 -McGovern
 -The President’s political career
 -Watergate
         -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
 -War and peace
 -Crime
 -Taxes
 -Prices
 -Watergate
         -Washington, DC establishment
         -Public view
         -The President's future schedule
              -Hugh Sloan
                   -Forthcoming testimony
                   -Morale
         -Hugh Sloan
              -Care of individuals involved
                   -Employment
                   -Financial assistance
                        -Post-1972 election
                           -Testimony
                        -Deborah Sloan

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                     -Press coverage
                         -Republican National Convention
                              -Requests for tickets
                              -CRP
                         -Jack N. Anderson
                       -Leaks
                         -Richard (“Dick”) Tuck
                         -Use of surveillance
                              -1968 election
                                  -[Joe McGinniss, The Selling of the President]
                                    -Leonard Garment

          The president’s schedule
           -Republican storefront campaign headquarters

          1972 campaign
           -Stans's work
                    -Business leaders
                    -Telephone calls
                        -Business leaders
                        -Labor officials
                            -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
                            -Peter J. Brennan

          Stans’s future role
            -Post-1972 election
                     -Robert H. Finch

Stans left at 4:35 pm.

          Franklin D. Roosevelt and Theodore Roosevelt
            -Age at deaths
            -Recent movie

          The President's schedule
           -Walk from Executive Office Building to campaign headquarters

The President and Haldeman left at 4:40 pm.

                                       (rev. Oct-06)
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Mark, how are you?
I'm sitting by easy.
You're all right.
I've got no character.
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Why don't you have a frame?
Do you have an average, standard, average, standard?
Do you have a
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God, I can come back.
All of us always go to the church, but I can just come back.
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Bad people.
Right people.
He's got people like that.
He's got to explain 250,000 other times.
I think he's got to figure it out.
Mark's given him a whole lot of work.
Well, I'm a government law man.
I'm a parent of a government law man.
Teksting av Nicolai Winther
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Thank you for watching!
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Takk for at du så med.
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Thank you for watching!
God bless you.
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But you should have no problem, certainly.
Where are the people going?
Where are the people coming from?
Do you really think they're...
Right.
I like that so much better off.
I don't like the impersonality .
I like that we .
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I want to ask that.
I wonder.
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What?
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I saw it.
I saw it.
I saw it.
I saw it.
I should have seen the first one.
I thought the first one was the last one.
It came in.
Why?
I got a little letter.
I think many of you know it.
I don't know a lot of letters.
I don't know a lot of letters.
Today,
over 50% of climate requests have been asked to stop.
Although in the past 99% of the coasts have been affected, they've all been stopped.
Now this budget is not going to happen.
It's going to take too long.
Turn it off.
Why don't you start it off?
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Well, if you do, you do the dinner, then it looks like you're doing it right.
I will say this.
If it's a tape for a convention, and they use it, there's no problem.
I can tape anything for a convention.
But if I tape something for a fundraising dinner for me,
of a vested interest.
That's wrong.
What they're asking is taking something and vending it.
Can they use it?
Yes, they can.
It's in the public domain.
When the president .
That's probably wrong, I'm sure.
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Well, why don't we, certainly we'll do the audio and make it very good.
Very good.
And do it for their convention.
Yeah.
I said, no, I'll do it for the convention, but it's the same thing.
And they could just be saying, here's, I now bring you a message from the President of the United States.
And I said, I agree with the home builders of America.
We thank you for what you've done in building up this .
That kind of base is there.
Yeah.
That's right.
Try to sell it.
I promise.
And also, we've got to realize that it's going to hurt them.
And hurt us.
They'll do it.
They'll do it.
They'll do that.
I don't think we're going to make it anyway.
Well, everything in the
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He's very concerned about crime .
He's very concerned about taxes .
But as far as a group of politicians bugging him, that does not affect his life.
Now, what it does have there is the Washington Establishment.
The people around here are obsessed with the idea of action.
And all the rest of it.
Now, they know, God damn well, that under that no circumstance will I ever engage in another one of these.
They don't think that's right.
They think we're a bunch of people who oversaw it.
They just didn't admit it.
We've got to reach a lot of people, but now the opportunity .
As far as .
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well what are we doing
we'll take good care
He's a good boy.
He's a nice boy.
He's a good boy.
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I'm going to walk out.
You can see that the headquarters have been here.
Mario has done a great job.
Just remember what I said.
The fact is, some of the businessmen are losing their jobs.
And I would like you to .
Well, I don't .
I may say this, but .
I mean, those that call you would say, gee, Mark, .
Really, there's nothing to do there.
You aren't having any labor guys calling.
Vince is the one calling.
You don't hear that from Frank.
Those guys would be .
Huh?
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