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The staff should never bother coming through the lock.

Right.

They don't need to, except for the state manager.

The state manager should, of course, respect them because they made a mistake yesterday.

So whenever they're coming through for me, they should not come through the lock.

They should just get out.

Well, if you get a decision function, this is so consistent with the host rather than the guest.

Right, right.

I bring that up, but it's...

Some of them feel they're supposed to.

They don't want to.

They don't feel they're supposed to.

I know.

They think it's rude not to do it.

I know.

I know a lot of people are very much... What is the protocol?

That's the right thing.

I don't know what it is.

But in this case, you think it's worth what it's worth, but I don't think it's worth it.

Very much so.

I think we've gained an enormous level of that.

For instance, the L.A. Times, where we can't get a blood from her in Los Angeles, you know, has a three-column front-page picture of the view of the wedding party.

And the story of going back to the L.A. Star will be accomplished in some way.

But that's very positive.

So the wire story is very true.

exactly what you want.

And you've got a better bounce on the bike than you do, Jack.

Yeah.

I think it's super important.

What is your situation?

Plus, you've got a good network, TV network in China.

Both networks.

What do you feel?

I don't know.

I don't think we should go out and just, I don't want to, but I just don't see him going to go out and campaign.

Well, as far as not going to campaign, there's no question about that.

Well, I was wondering if there's any other kind of event like that, or dying, or living.

I don't want to funny something up, you know, on purpose.

I know what is right, and I look for it, and I know it's right, but I know there's wrong and wrong with the supermarkets, and that's the difference.

The supermarket, I'm using the supermarket as an initiative, and I'm going to use it to impress my customers.

Well, and this was part of your taking charge role as president.

This was, you were willing to send a guy out there, your man.

You could take it over personally by sending your man out there.

He came down to report to you.

He went out to check to see if he was able to get it done, to talk to some people.

And you chose some specific actions.

Delivered the check.

He told you, okay, I'm going to get it to do a treasurer.

And you got a regardless play, a replay on the defendant yesterday.

They had a lot of people?

Yeah.

I don't know what the numbers were, but they had a, there's a, I haven't seen the story, but there's a story in the New York Times on it today.

And it'll be a huge story, I'm sure.

If that's as big as the main thing.

But they did go out with their, with the stewards and cook up hamburgers and cupcakes.

Yep.

So you've got

the second day right on the painting and they talked about it was the most it was the first fun day they've had since the flood you know it was that kind of thing the feel of the painting was the kind of things are all right now so put out and so you get that kind of a look so that was a beautiful idea just to pick up on the on the picture problem and with no effort on your part you get a second day and

It's a little more personal than what you can do in this office.

It's only a pleasant action.

The girl is a little blacker and smarter than the woman.

And the black girl part of it has been played in some places and not played in others, which is also good.

Damn right.

Right now, the black girl is something for sure.

I'm sure they're going to see you.

I'm a part of the big machine, but it's not that big of a deal.

For those other two, like they said back in the last, like Mexico City said that there's more, there's more appealings of paper just today than there was in 1998.

There's a very big endowment that's left for them.

Now there's appealings of probably not a property anywhere.

But you're great.

I sure do.

I think they ran right flat to the, win the public opinion on it.

I don't think they ever did, Ron.

Well, the contrast has been good.

Night after night, I came up with, when we had that, was that I should be here every night, day closed, but when somebody's standing there, there's a man go by, and there's almost always somebody crying.

And it's all assuming that he's a little girl crying, wiping her eyes.

The guy with his cap, he's got to take it off, and put his hand on his heart, and the whole...

They've all been different, but... You know, we've got a bounce, which is, it's the L.A. Riders.

Out of Bush, you know, the belief of one of the Jews.

Isn't that good?

Yeah.

All right, and that was a big story.

The second people, it's that great U.S. veto.

It wouldn't let them get the thing that I was getting, but... Yeah, right.

I think that's the whole way the world is supposed to be.

You are a part of the Jackson family, great people, and we really love you.

We're just really proud of you.

We're going to say it that way.

We're going to have a salt and pepper.

That's the law.

So we don't need those whites and blacks.

We're not going to have an all-black department.

Watch the bedding.

We want black in track.

Hard trackers in that track.

And we think it's just we'll augment it all black.

We'll stick to the blacks that way.

And then use that as the basis to get rid of the .

That's right.

Hang on to the good ones.

We can do that.

And then he can hire.

He doesn't need to do the desserts.

He can keep them served.

They're very good.

Oh, God damn it.

He can't not bet on desserts.

I know.

His two plays and his struggling boots.

I know.

And that grandfather game boost that he did.

I know.

Oh.

I always want some of those desserts are good, if not better than anything I've done in my life.

They're just as good, I'm sitting by them.

But you know that they have to realize how their understanding of the real world is.

That's my view.

Desserts and patients.

He really does have, but what the hell?

That's the fish thing is he's got about three of his sauces.

The Filipinos aren't good at cooking.

Well, they are if you don't make them.

But you keep a fish.

You keep a fish, man.

Yeah, but we have a French fish, man.

That's right, but it's a French salmon.

He might be able to do a practice pack for the fish and dessert thing.

And then he's developing us for the main courses.

But our food has got to be the chief chef.

He's the best.

I'm sure we can put him on the team.

I don't know.

Well, I thought that was a good one.

She's talked that way.

I mean, she really is.

The other thing is, you know, and I think she's original, too, because she really then ought to, I don't know whether she will or not, but she ought to shake up her own staff situation to an extent.

You know, she's got to cover for it.

And Lucy is

Yes.

I get it.

However, Jackson saves her to run.

Does that help?

Does that help her back?

Does it?

In need of a pretty little gal out front to dolly up the guests and also maybe this.

Yeah.

Maybe that's not bad.

The Rep. Donnie problem that she called me about is she told me to call her.

Yeah.

Donnie wasn't evil.

Because I made a lot of mistakes and she said so.

She was becoming extremely cooperative and she said, I did it wrong.

I thought I was saying the right thing and I gave the wrong answer.

I've tried to correct the story.

This post-council was determined.

I'll screw her.

Good.

Even if it was from protocols, it makes a difference.

In fact, it wasn't when I... Any government official who's entitled to take care of a person...

Is that true?

Absolutely.

Well, and even on the political lane, except for the hash people, people that are hashed in.

In an open way, they can, in a back-up way.

If they're like Secret Service men and military assistants and all that sort of thing, you're entitled, no matter what you do, to that support.

And all presidents have always had that.

And working on your government time, too.

That's right.

Sure.

And the point is that anything you do is fixed.

You can't do a purely political thing.

I don't have to wait to take them on.

Was that what it was?

It's small.

I don't want to build him up.

And, of course, we've got to realize, too, that it's our fault that we have gotten that across to those students.

The other thing, you know, I'm excited to talk about, what do you think, who else wants to join?

I don't know.

How much more color was it?

I don't know.

I mean, you know, when you're talking about the warm color, that's where you need somebody other than the wheel of hand along to try to pick up the replacement.

Yes, you can.

I mean, pick it up and then.

Oh, maybe that's just, you know, we don't have to have it.

There's a lot of good stuff.

They go look for it.

There's a lot of good stuff.

The thing is, they can practice not too hard.

We've all agreed on that.

Yeah.

You know, I had to be this morning, too.

Yeah, I met Bryce and Mitchell and all the groups at the same time.

You know, it wasn't, it doesn't serve our purpose.

Let me tell you, I had a great perspective.

I had a great, what I was going to say.

And I didn't take it wrong, either.

But they have a real not having space with their own shop.

And all the environment was all about it.

Trying to kill shit about it.

But why do I fight with the cops?

You know what I mean?

Don't you agree?

No.

We have no...

Her husband agrees.

Yeah.

I don't know if you talked to her or not.

I haven't talked to her.

Hold on a second.

I missed you.

I didn't mention it.

No, no, no.

But I just watched the stuff that was set up.

Well, that's it.

I just didn't take the time to look at it.

Anything I said was really not on the front and center.

They're suggesting that, I don't know if you're helping, but you might keep it in mind.

Do you feel like a hospital?

No, it's blowing up people out of it.

No, never.

Not to go into them all, but you know that Scott's office and... No.

No, no, no, no.

You see if you get up there, you shouldn't know any like any time.

We just haven't.

When's it going to pass today?

Probably 7 o'clock.

Oh, when?

9 to 7 o'clock.

It's kind of an odd idea.

No, no, no.

What is the score?

In terms of our own plan now, what is it, what do you, what do they anticipate on Watergate?

They still anticipate the indictments on Friday.

And the, that could be Billy and Bill.

The plan still is to follow or to ride with the indictments with a record statement.

What about post and stuff you mentioned to me about the fact that he's

I still think it's a good idea and hit on a different basis.

Yeah, he's got the information.

Turn it over.

Well, that plus hitting the fact that he's got a spy in 1701.

What the hell?

He's running around swinging and we're bugging him.

But it was clearly him without the knowledge of anybody's responsibility.

Here he is, the candidate himself, right?

And he has a spy in our organization providing him with information.

Well, I probably get at it that way, too.

But I was thinking that the way they would pick up the story, and the spy that would be picked up in court generally, is to charge that they have information that should turn it over to him.

And it's from a spy.

I think he ought to get it.

If he doesn't,

The argument against it is it keeps that story up.

And you know, there's a perverse theory that we've talked through this morning, and nobody, what other story do you want?

That's close to exactly what you want.

It might be better off with the one with the story.

Is doing this any harm?

Yeah, not much.

What I mean is the harm is doing it for her is going to hurt her too much.

I think, I would think it would realize it would indict the person.

I don't think so, we all did.

I'll tell you the reason of my own experiences.

I told Nicole something and she said it didn't hurt.

She pulled me and I said, Orange.

But I remember in the whole of this case it didn't hurt.

It was a bad case and it really cracked her heart.

Because, of course, there was one different team and I'm not saying it was a red herring.

And all of a sudden we proved it wasn't a red herring.

On our case, you see, we got a very, very carefully laid out foundation for the fact that we said it was something wrong.

But we're not covering up.

That's right.

But the thing that, the difference also is that the indictment here will be less than anticipated rather than more.

The indictments don't.

See, they've all said all along that the indictments, where the guilt reaches into the upper levels of the committee or the White House, then there's a problem.

Now, we've already condemned, like, you guys condemned every day, every day in the paper.

How about the court?

How about the other one?

The court was clearly fucking accident and indicted all along.

What names?

What names do they, they obviously have this, I think they're going to drop the names on it.

Well, they don't have to name it.

Well, they said a White House assistant.

That's still there.

And this guy, for some reason, is obsessed with the fact that the reports went to the lieutenants.

He says, and as we knew this way back, this is, now knowing who the guy is, this is what he told us a long time ago, that his story is, that the reports were sent, remember we knew months ago that it was the lieutenants, it was the guy who did it.

And one of the reports were given to

They went from there to Rob Opal and from there to somebody else.

Exactly.

And one of the things that comes out in somewhere in this is a plan to counterfeit tickets.

There is a memo about a plan to counterfeit tickets.

It did come out of this thing, but it's tied.

It was the only memo with this kind of platform, this way.

He says that the memos were identified as confidential source or something like that.

And that was the code thing for the wiretap information.

There is a memo identified the same way.

It is not from wiretap information.

It's from stuff they got done at Miami.

It shows there was a plan to counterfeit Republican convention tickets.

And that went to Tim, who was in charge of the convention.

You get radical documents.

And that's the only memo that went to Tim.

That was to get the radical documents up.

Well, I'll get to the point that that is a tell-all story.

Don't just kind of hit the ticket.

They take it, you get them there, you get the bomb throwers, the radios, you know, the dynamometers.

Yeah.

That's why we were worried.

You know, this is supposed to be a back-up operation.

It wasn't.

It's my responsibility.

People didn't know how, but...

Not cutting a dog is a case of taking something like that old brown thing, which is done.

And just part of that can go into a horrible thing.

It's done.

Just like they took a lot of dogs, and part of that can go into a horrible thing, despite the fact they knew the goddamn thing had been paid off and everything else.

You know, Ryan, sorry, but I mean, in the Las Vegas area, you know, so we have a quack.

It's in here.

Made it right yesterday.

I wouldn't say.

This is the day that you got mine.

All that is is to lay the facts so that you have a basis for knowing the story of the build-up in the public press and inside the Las Vegas society because then you open that.

With that stuff.

Combox being a bigger thing.

Hopefully we can get out of that and pull the stuff out of that.

We don't care who it's on.

It can be on Teddy.

It can be on anybody, but you know, just get it into anybody.

I prefer it on a lot of people.

So Teddy's probably sitting around about the

on the boat and so forth.

So, Boston Globe ran a little tiny thing like that inside of that.

And their lead was, wire services refused to carry the story.

That's one paragraph or so.

So nobody can say they didn't print the story.

Well, what were you, mailed about that?

No, we're trying to get Globe cranked up to come down and charge.

It's his story.

He's got the interest in it.

And if we give Globe

to hold a press conference or come down and get on television or something like that.

That's one group we're pursuing.

Another is to see if we can get somebody on TV to, just in some kind of conversation, turn it to that point to say, you know, we can't understand why nobody printed that story, for example.

Of course, it's a pleasure to meet you.

Go on.

Chuck mentioned another point.

They're supposed to have a sign.

I noticed, for example, that Teddy's campaigning with McGovern these three days.

He's going to have a sign out.

And somebody's got a sign that...

It's about Amanda.

...that says, who's Amanda sailing with while you're out here?

I asked Chuck, I said, what the hell is Agnew going to do on the line?

He said, truth, not truth.

Agnew's got an idea that he wants to do a statement.

I'm just thinking that the only name of this game, the best it comes to the country, I understand, is a cat.

I don't think that the story of Pennsylvania is hard.

I think it's a good thing to start over.

So to stop with the old running store.

And it's a city in the present when we're wedding in a whole way.

You know, but I have to be the copy way.

Right.

But you don't have to be the copy way in an Italian way, you know.

Even though it's not an Italian castle.

It's very literary.

I saw, and I now see the type of people that are getting out of Fort Martin.

Rose, Dr. Baldwin, gave how to me.

She said, you'd like to meet Joe, but you've got to go.

I said, okay.

I said, I'm going to go to the next one.

And I was very concerned about the water condition.

I really feel that way about this.

If they're going to worry about this, are they going to worry about these other people?

And I think this is true.

This should be.

I don't think you need to be particularly quick.

But we're all working on what the hell we worry about all the time, don't we?

And we're trying to think of what to do and so forth.

What?

Is it an endemic problem?

No, it's a thing.

Yes, it's an endemic problem in the sense that...

In other words, what you're calling it?

I think it's true of anybody.

I hear that with other people.

Maybe everybody you go to is people saying, you better get your staff problems straightened out.

That's what they read in the paper.

I get your point.

That's what they read in the paper, so then they're looking for a team.

You know, they think everything's good, but I wonder if there's any problems going down the water gate, so then I better tell them to get that straightened out.

Yeah, what about crack blue prices?

If you do that, the inflation is a little too high.

Jesus Christ, if you've done something about it, you'll hear about South Africa.

I did a little thing today I didn't even expect to do.

I've been so impressed with the little bits of pieces today.

The way you see it, Henry.

Even that son of a bitch knows that I'm very important.

But I called Shaquille O'Neal and told him, I'm glad you've taken over this conversation.

The only thing I've got to do is get out.

I said, well, I'm afraid to get my reaction to your games.

I said, well, I said, Sugar Ray Steel made me feel very proud.

Also, that 400-meter team, they went around holding their bangers up.

I said, yeah, that's what we're proud of.

That's great.

I don't think most people agree with the American Olympic Committee.

Those that are trying to appeal for the International Games, for those assholes, they should be standing up for America.

I think that's very good.

People look at that.

I mean, in high school, you expect when they go to the alma mater, you expect people to stand up.

They stand there and look around.

And that's true in college.

For those who go to college, but they get it in high school, too.

And you build that landscape, and there's a few jets that don't want that kind of thing.

Well, what Checkel says.

I said, I like the way you stood up for my American brother.

That was a hell of a lift, weren't you?

Well, it's beautiful that it happened to be ABC, which just does all sorts of good work.

At least for the bad.

At least bad.

Well, at least bad.

He was pleased.

And Check was a friend.

Boone Aldridge was a friend.

Or at least more or less.

Frank Gifford and Will Chandler was a friend.

I mentioned Mark Smith.

I have a feeling that we'll call him somewhere.

I feel stronger than I should.

I mean,

What's going on?

Well, it's his coach that said we should call him.

Cashin's called his coach, and I don't know whether or not we've got the right thing on that, the right information.

Yeah, totally.

Thank you.

They wanted to use it for the air.

Well, they went over the transcript with me.

They just wanted to make sure.

The part about the timing and changing the time and so forth, do you feel that you want that to go out of the way?

It's all about it.

Well, they did, but that sort of gets you into the...

I just believe that out.

In other words, I think you're... Tell me I can use all that out, because it looks like I'm being a poor sport.

That's what I mean.

I don't think it's a poor sport, but I just don't know... Well, we got screwed.

Absolutely, we got screwed.

And everybody here believes we got screwed, but we also, we complained about it pretty hard.

And we lost the complaint at that point.

That's why...

You've got so much positive stuff in there that if you're silver medaling that out, we would use the second silver pound.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

See, you compliment them on the coverage and standing up for Mark.

The commentary was excellent.

I praised Mark Spitz.

That's right.

And also the blacks were running around the track with number one up.

Did they get that in?

Yeah, they did.

And thank God Sugar Ray sealed the black.

At least two blacks behaved.

No, but I met two.

The ones I saw.

No, but in your discussion, Bill, the guy shouldn't have taken off.

He didn't stand with the detention officer.

I didn't take him off.

But you didn't.

Huh?

You didn't say that in your discussion.

No, I don't want to get into that.

That's all right.

I've taken them off.

I intend to take them off.

If it's in there, for Christ's sake, don't take them off.

Because, I mean, we're not letting these lilies on the shit-ass.

I think you're better off not to be on record as complaining about the officiating of the day.

Yeah.

Or like, if you had anything on the, those terrible calls on the boxing, murder, murder, wrestling, or diving, you had to leave that out of it.

Yeah.

It was boxing, but that's, you don't have to get to that kind of point.

You should stay with the high... All right, you can tell them that anything that has to do with the officiating should come out, and all the rest of it.

Okay.

Yeah.

My only hint was that they, I said it was certainly fine with me.

That's fine, but I just want to check with you because we did, the United States did get screwed.

Everybody did.

The blacks.

When they stood there not of attention, that has already been broadcast over the thing.

That's why everyone was so proud.

Well, I said that I was, I told them this.

I said I think the International Olympic Committee was right.

And I think our Olympic Committee was wrong on that incident.

And that's what I want to stay in.

That's what I want to stay in.

Because either those blacks should not have been allowed to go on.

And that's what it is.

It's a matter of showing.

I said, I also praised, I said, the Russian team, the East German team, the West German team.

Everybody should be proud of their country.

It's all that matters.

Well, I agree with that.

I think that's not so many people were proud of their country.

Well, I mentioned him in my broadcast.

I mean, you really were.

But I just wondered, as much as I agree with you, and as much as seeing that on television, as much as I agree with that point, I just wondered if you should inject yourself into that.

Well, making the point about the guys being suspended.

The fact is, they are suspended.

I didn't discuss the suspension any length.

Are you ready?

No, I see.

I'm operating only on the call from Munich.

It was not too good, and they wanted to check.

Anything about officiating comes out of that song.

Don't, do not, do not, do not take out any other part of the practice because it was praising the good guys.

I praised Sugar Ray CEO and I praised the 400 meter team for holding their fingers up number one.

I said that's what they should do.

But you want to leave in the part about the support of the international organization?

Yes, sir.

should stand up for the right thing.

You're a goddamn right.

You're a damn right second.

I mean, all of your assholes in the press, 95% of them would support the American Olympic team.

They'll let them compete.

They're just boys.

They don't have a good time to grow up and get up.

No, sir.

I agree with the International Olympic team.

In other words, I'm standing up for the International Olympic organization here.

I don't agree with the American Olympic

Do you read Sherry Pope, which is a column that posts this morning?

Well, yes, and I feel the same way.

I just, it's only 400 pages.

Okay, and other people don't feel that way, and that's good.

Those are people you want to draw.

I don't, it's not so much about other people not reading that, but I guess it is.

Leading a positive, perhaps, in this moment.

How much are you going to take out of it?

We can't take that out of it.

Anyway, I'll see what you can do.

I have no strong feelings.

There's only a sentence in there about the international ethic.

I had to make the point about Sugar Ray Seal.

I had seen the actual work, too.

I didn't mention the two.

Oh, you did?

Not specifically, no.

Well, I didn't see that race, but I didn't see that race.

I may have said, I just said that I'm some, I know you had some unpleasant instances and so forth, but I'm very proud.

We were very proud to hear the race sealed after what happened, you know, on some other instances and so forth.

But I did mention the International Olympic.

I know that's something about that.

But I think the officiating, anything with regard to officiating,

It should come out, I agree with you on that.

I don't even remember what was said about the basketball thing.

The fact is, you kitted around it.

Oh, they were telling you that the question unit was doing fine.

Oh, yeah.

Then you made the point that one of the problems would change the time or take, you know,

Why don't you leave it in?

Is that sitting in the officiating room?

No, they don't leave it in.

No, they're not going to leave it in.

All right, take that out.

I'll take that out.

I praise the equestrian.

Leave in the positives.

I mean, don't we don't want to take on the officiating?

Well, they don't have to do it, apparently.

It's not special.

I don't use the tape.

Did they come and do it?

Yes.

After I finished.

And I said, sure, go right ahead.

Okay.

I have no objection.

Okay.

But you can take, you can take these.

I have no, uh, there's that the, uh, anything about officiating should come out, because that's something that should be handled by our own people.

But I would say we said that in jest.

But as far as the rest of it is concerned.

Okay.

It doesn't matter if that, I want to draw the black-white issue into this.

You agree or not?

Yes, I sure do.

Now they're just setting the whole place up in smoke around here.

That's why our November 3rd speech is 10 to me, right?

Yep.

Well, they're right, don't you agree?

The international community is something that you should have stood there.

I think it was sensational.

That's what we hear people say.

Thank God they didn't do it.

We need that kind of thing.

We should quit tolerating all the kind of crap that we tolerate.

Rob thinks what you're speaking of.

You've got your own kids.

Imagine if there was five boys in here in five minutes.

What he's doing is because he knows he's going to be active.

John Osborne would want to buy that flat ground.

That's right.

Or you're just, don't say anything.

Anyway, that's what I believe.

You're right, John Osborne would say that.

Well, I said...

They held their fingers up that the United States was trying to be number one.

I said, I think that's it, man.

That's what the whole goddamn Olympic Games is about, for Christ's sake.

Why do they give gold medals to everybody who won?

Because it gave them purpose.

They said, I praise the Russians, too.

Why do they bust their asses training?

I said, the Russians got out of the East Germans, the West Germans, all the others.

And I said, the Japanese gymnastics team, I bet you that.

I said, they were all the right people.

I said, that's what they want to do.

And they fixed those Hungarian judges, and the Polish judges, and the Bulgarian judges, and the Czechoslovakian judges.

Every one of them bullied the Saudis, the communists, the affiliations, every damn son of a bitch.

And let's quit barking around with this.

I wouldn't even worry if you were shooting the basketball game in the stadium.

It was just incredible.

You sit there.

I watched it a couple of times.

You watch a fight.

Because, you know, a three-round fight is pretty easy to call, usually.

A ten-round fight is sometimes harder.

I don't know how to score all at once.

But if you can remember, you watch a three-round fight, and you have a very clear impression.

One guy wins, and the other guy doesn't.

And Christ did.

A couple of them.

It was totally obvious.

There were no questions.

There were questions.

I was frightened.

He gave him sugar H0.

He lost him.

Think of it, Collin.

He was harsh and hurt.

Also, he kept me to Krause's imagination.

He was a kid who it would have been very hard to go against.

Winning was winning.

His mother was down.

His mother was something else.

And he sat there and he put his hand over his heart and he went home.

And that was good.

He's a beautiful fighter.

He had to fight successive days.

He had a day of a bad schedule.

So he didn't get time to rest.

He had to work over hard on his first fight.

And I said, don't be concerned if you're officiating in the same space.

I know, but I think it's better if it doesn't.

And that you're... You wouldn't know that I said it in chess.

I know.

But we have a tradition that you don't like about the officiating.

Yeah.

You take the decision.

So they're going to win a gold, we think they're going to win a gold, huh?

I have a question.

Any questions?

That's what he said.

That's what brought forth my comment.

No, no, he said, well, I said that.

He said, well, I told you to take that away.

I think that was the same thing with the American people.

You're a damn right.

That would mean they were accepting a bad call and not recognizing that they were pregnant.

There's no way.

The whole team voted on it.

The basketball team voted on it.

It's kind of a big thing because those kids, the rest of their lives, they don't have the solar around them.

There's got to come a time when these international groups will step up and say we don't accept this permanent solution.

I think the UN's about time.

We should move into it now.

The UN's about time.

The UN is screwing us.

We've got to step up and get it in our hands.

We're getting god damn sick of it.

We're being kicked over and over and over and over again.

But if we do what we have to do, they're going to come out and do it for us.

Good.

You got it.

I'm going to say what you think.

I got anybody too late?

and off at 10 o'clock on Saturday.

Even if they get an ambulance, it's going to be 40 minutes.

It's not going to be much of a problem.

And a lot of people

Because the American sports fan is sitting here as mad as hell.

I'm sure you guys know.

That's what people are talking about.

I told the ABC followers the last time that you're standing up for America.

And of course, they were raising hell with you.

They showed you all the way through the election.

Oh, yeah.

That's right.

Trying to give them some of the basketball.

And I was just curious.

And...

Getting to the press, your thought on Rowan's son and McGovern's daughter and Daniel Shor's brother.

Do you know about this?

I don't know about Shor's brother.

Shor's brother is McGovern.

Really?

Yeah.

I guess they're working on something.

And Rowan's son is...

And it raises great problems.

But with regard to their, I think, children.

But what we're doing on the Rowan Sun one is that Rowan's writing a letter to the Post, which we're going to get some, I think, some, I don't know, it's a beautiful letter.

Because the Post ran yesterday an editorial kicking the shit out of Rowan, saying it won't be more tentative, no tax increase.

And Rowan ran an analysis regarding kicking Rowan out.

And so Ervin's writing, he's written a hell of a good letter to the Post that says that it's about the same as the U.S. basketball team, what happened to the basketball team in the Olympics.

Except there, if we knew that the referee was a Bulgarian and would expect him to pull this kind of thing, where here we don't know who the referee is.

And on the editorial record he said he's some unnamed person who's hiding, but perhaps he too is related to Senator McGovern as Hobart Rowan is.

That's right.

He said, we know the referee is a Bulgarian, but do your readers know that Bogart Rowland's personal family relationship with Senator McGovern and his role as an advisor to McGovern?

And, you know, it's figured out like that.

Now, we're going to push that one, and I think they'll run the letter.

If they don't, we'll get it.

But John's done it in a very good, by and large, decision that we will if they won't run it.

I think they'll run the letter from us.

We had a staff study on the CBS coverage.

We've done solid for a week and we went for a second week and we've got one solid week where it's absolutely clear that they are just totally screwing us.

And we've got all three going at the same time, just CBS.

Well, CBS is the worst at the moment.

We've all felt that, but we've documented it.

And we've taken the news, each story day by day, we've taken how it was played by the other two networks, how it was generally played by the Post and the Times.

and then what CBS did for a full week.

It's a hell of a good case.

I haven't heard of it yet, Chuck has, but I don't know what you're going to do.

Basically, Chuck's going to call Baylor and say, you have a number of times asked me, please, to keep you posted on what we do.

And at your invitation, I would like to tell you that the time has come when, if your invitation is still available,

current, that we should sit down.

And I'd like to come up and go over an example with your police coverage.

Meet with Paley and Sandler.

Or just Paley, if that's what Paley wants to say.

Not the news people.

You should ask not the news people.

Just the news people.

Make this case clear.

And then get at his threats in his own way of how

This administration, which Bailey's already experienced that, but he knows this administration is going to be in for four more years.

And what our view towards certain organizations and what it's going to be based on what happens in the next few months.

And just making it goddamn clear for Bailey, and hopefully also Stan, that we're watching, that we've got a hair tie case on the merits.

We're not complaining on our judgment calls, but we're complaining on the merits.

And there it is.

That's up to you to decide what you want to do with it.

I think we've got a really good amount of work to do.

Now, we've got to do it fast.

We can't do much longer.

We've got to do it fast.

We can't wait much longer.

We were going to wait another couple weeks.

I think we have to do it now.

But it's about time for somebody to make their speech by the 8th.

It may be.

I haven't watched that poster, but remember I told you that.

We're doing that plus more in-depth analysis.

And this guy sure is doing a superb job at this.

And so we'll see.

I think the next, the follow-up on that will be they'll want to get it to their his people or something.

Then I think we should back out and let one of the accuracy and media people or one of the AI people, AI people, AI people, or AI people.

someone outside of the government, or in a barrack group, or whatever, and let them face that.

But we've got to totally monitor on time behavior in times of the whole thing.

For instance, you get just a little case in point, but it's absolutely unassailable.

On the Jewish murders, you made a dockside statement before you went on the boat, departing the Jewish murders, or whatever you said.

You know, that's a villainous business.

That statement was carried on Bill Nassau, on NBC and CMAT ABC.

It was not carried at all on CBS.

There wasn't referred to at all on CBS, even the fact that you didn't say anything.

The next morning, on the CBS morning news, they carried an extensive thing of McGovern.

battling about this terrible situation and all, and still never carried your statement on film, nor any mention of the fact that you'd made it.

Now, there's just no question there.

The President of the United States makes a statement.

They don't have the option.

And he was judged continually, ignoring it, and then putting his opponent on.

There's Chuck that he's the one to go up and see him.

I think he has to be.

I know the problem is that he's the one that's been... Well, he's the only one that knows the argument.

That's true.

Well, he's the best one to make the argument.

And he's the guy, I think he can do it.

Paley had called him.

Paley has called him.

Paley came in to see him.

That's right.

Made a trip down here to see him.

Now, Chuck said maybe...

I don't think he should.

Say he's going to be in the yard.

He's going to be in the yard.

Good job.

We're going to start.

Bobby Kennedy did this.

He called right on the phone, Christ, and he was closer to Chuck than to me.

I don't at all.

He's already built us to act as men.

He's already built us all this time.

They do.

And we will screw CPS.

We're going to do anything.

We're going to go, we're going to screw them up good.

I never have seen, I can't get it out of our open shop, a letter on that.

What can we do about that?

Screw them on the prime time.

You know what I mean?

Oh, the residuals.

The residuals have passed the new law, so they're doing another thing.

any of the scripts that Chuck's working on.

Now, Chuck's the only guy who really can do this because he's the only one that Dave said to him.

Do you have this problem with it?

Well, sure.

That was the NBC crowd when I said that.

But nevertheless, I am proud of the same people.

The NBC people, I really love them.

But I'm for it.

But I'm also for constantly

Let me put it this way.

I don't have much confidence about how much we can affect the reporters.

Can't.

Basically.

And the editors between now and the election.

I really don't have much confidence.

I think our major, I agree it's worth trying.

In other words, bitch and bitch and do a little bit better on this.

But, and we are doing better than we did and used to do.

But the other point is, I do think that you can affect the people they try to affect.

In other words,

As I say, as I wrote that memorandum, all the rest is compulsion with the New York Times and with the White House.

Don't you agree with me on that?

Isn't it time to quit screwing around with those people?

Don't spend any more time.

It's too late.

Let them write what they goddamn please.

And talk to our friends from now on.

Friends, friends, friends, friends, friends.

That fucking John Osborne should not be talking to anyone.

I heard him say that every weekend.

I don't know.

I don't think so.

Well, the idea that he's interesting sure is there.

Right?

Sure.

He throws a brush at them.

Right?

But we need nothing.

What good does it do us?

It's showing our pride.

But you don't see him on that basis.

You only see him when he suits your purpose.

Right, of course.

He only suits our purpose.

They're wrong.

Oh.

Well, let me ask you again.

He doesn't suit our purpose.

Is he that influential with the others?

Does he?

Is Ron overly sensitive about, even Ron is, that setting the mood for the press and how these guys feel?

Oh shit, these guys have got it right in the hand.

I don't think the press gets any better at the time that they're supposed to be treated this way.

There was no reason for them not to give a good report on that Dockside story.

We set it up nicely.

We set it up at the right time.

It should have been run.

You agree?

Yeah.

Well, apparently two networks did.

But if you make a command decision, Bob, at the top, not to run something, you know what happens.

It's trivial.

Well, that's where we got hit.

Because you know darn well I wasn't a reporter.

Rather, you know Perk, who obviously makes money by doing deep-bottom storylines.

And there can't have been guilt in it.

know that.

So it wasn't.

Now what it is, Ron said it.

They said it was.

They made a decision not to go to the West Coast, not to take any West Coast pickups.

If they picked up you, then they wouldn't pick up the government.

And they didn't want to pick up the government.

And they did.

They didn't carry the government.

What about the next morning?

But then they carried the government the next morning and didn't carry it.

In the first place, it was a bad news judgment.

A lot of bullshit.

They said they couldn't pick you up because then they'd have to carry the government.

They don't have

We'll back Rob up on there, so every time he's down there.

Keep her on the road so that her head doesn't kind of soften up.

I'll say, might be a good demo.

If he's on exhibit, Merrick's got his crew that he has once a month through there.

I've gone out with the council and the PR in this afternoon.

I don't want to get into it.

I've got a cold in here.

I don't want to.

The next two days.

Good question.

Well, first of all, I have one thing to say.

I don't know.

But when does Irwin get out?

It's not out today.

When I talked to him Friday, he was going to have it out the first of the week.

I talked to the vice president.

He wants to put his out.

And that'll force Shriver's out.

At the same time.

That's good Shriver's out.

Because he's got a lot of money.

Probably sitting down.

Sitting down.

That's it.

He said, no, I don't care about this tax thing.

I didn't inherit any money.

I don't have any.

No, it's another thing.

Both reports should indicate that this is a joint report.

A joint report.

An agent should say, both.

See, so that this recovers all property of my Mrs. Simpson and the president.

All property of my Mrs. Eggman and Eggman.

Get my point?

And the question should immediately be asked of the government to say, this government is a government.

What does this government stand for?

A driver.

What does a business driver stand for?

A fee.

Do you agree?

Yes, sir.

You see, the money will be a munisys name, although the driver's name is supposed

They're supposed to know.

I think so.

I'm sure she's got more.

But let's get at what's the category 2 there.

Sergeant Sharper says I didn't inherit anything.

That may very well be because his mother is still living.

He hasn't gotten anything.

You can say I have not inherited anything.

His father may not have left anything.

He may have left it all to his mother, which is quite frequently done.

I'm sure everyone's probably done it.