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What about on the Strider thing?

Well, I am on the overall thing because I want to get to Bill and get him going on.

And Bill can be damn helpful on that one.

wants to fight it, and he doesn't want to.

The fight that we have to get across is it isn't whether an offer is made or not.

The question is whether he knew about it.

And Christians, once he gets to the bottom of it, they, you know,

He didn't know.

That's why he didn't know.

It had nothing to do with him.

Right?

Did you know about Henry's trips?

I didn't find that out, but he said he did.

I don't think Henry did.

That's not the person.

Henry hadn't taken anything.

My God, if you found that out,

You've got to ask Hagan about it.

Well, I don't want them to know I'm spending that much time.

I won't be, actually.

I can talk.

The weekend we got to focus on H.E.F.

and Lakerville and Carlucci today.

So that kept that going.

Well, I'll just say one other work that you did this week.

You had a number of things that you wanted to get done.

Take care of economic materials.

Congress law, yeah.

Well, what about ?

Well, at the latter part of the week, or the later part of the week, you could say, plans to start doing it.

And then over the weekend, it would work.

That's right.

I put it down.

Over the weekend, starting about Friday, he's planning it.

With the whole time, he's testing it.

At this time, he's catching up on paperwork.

He's been reading it.

veto decisions, talk about what laws are not being discussed, legislative matters, and also economic policies.

Recommendations he's received.

various matters for the time, matters in the Congress, all the decisions, the science or the ethics or the rules.

I'd like to discuss it with you.

What do we put out there?

Tomorrow, we're out tomorrow.

You already put out the fact that we're there.

We've done, we did Paris this week.

Okay, no, tomorrow you do Vietnam.

Excuse me, and then follow up.

Okay.

You were going to say to spend the weekend on a speech.

One point you could make is if you'd be in the district over the weekend, I'm going to follow up on this trip.

Not all day.

Once you announce, once you announce, once you announce that you'll be in the district over the weekend.

Second speech.

I would just have to say I'm working on it.

But anyway, I'll probably be back tomorrow anyway, so it doesn't really make a hell of a lot of difference.

So I'm just trying to worry about it.

No, I'm not worried about this one.

I mean, I just keep them in good spot.

I've got one question.

No.

Just ask the question.

Oh, it's that one.

You might ask .

Thoughts you might make.

Take five, five.

One thing I was going to suggest on one hand, though, and it's great in his heart, because if he's going to write a piece, it's a waste to put it in the New York Times.

Why don't you do it for life?

Get a circulation on it.

Get a nicer thing to read.

He's going to write a very substantial piece here.

I have something to say.

I mean, it's obviously encouraging, of course,

fire away.

But yeah, this was a complete brainer.

I'm still giving shit.

It's fine.

It's fine, except that I don't want him to fire around in the New York Times Magazine, which he says Bible and people read.

And it's lucky if 50,000 read the goddamn things.

People take the time to read.

But the Friday's Life at least has a bigger readership.

All right, we'll find out.

We'll just see.

How about it?

You see, it's an article that will have enormous interest, because he says, what will the president do in his second term?

I'll see if life wants it.

That's the only one.

I don't know.

None of the others have that much quality.

Do you agree?

Life will be the best.

White would be the best.

White would do it wrong.

New York Times, right?

Well, he got that.

Well, he couldn't pick up the worst.

See, the New York Times article was disseminated .

That was the pickup that the morning authority is going to receive .

Well, White was still the best.

I'm working on the economic, various economic decisions for the balance

that may come up for the volunteers, especially with the balance of the board intervention.

And toward the end, the majority of them is, of course, Dr. Kisner will be reported after his trip.

You can even say that today.

After, don't say when.

Say, Dr. Kisner.

Be my question when he gets back.

Dr. Kisner.

And tomorrow, you can say he'll be reported over the weekend.

See?

And then say, in between those things, he's going to be working when he can with acceptance speech.

He started to work, someone started to work over this last week, and he's reading.

We'll try to use the word on board when he's done.

Right on.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

That's good, then.

They need a decision.

Firefighters are only retiring.

Federal firefighters.

the exact duplicate of the building property that was last year.

There are no changes in the program since then.

Cole wants to sign Colson.

Tim and Cole want you to sign a point for a civil service commission.

And that's probably what you need to have.

It's $7 million a year for 30 years.

Tim's recommends a veto based on precedence.

But if you plan to sign the wage board, which you do intend to do, says

What does Erland have got on that?

Now I'll just get word to Cole or whoever it is waiting on this firefighter's bill in front of the pool sign.

Because we're going to sign the other one, what does that mean?

You want to get somebody who understands the issue.

The issue that the driver was not told anything because Johnson didn't trust him.

Second, that he didn't know anything about the other.

That he had no reason to know anything about those

No, I don't.

Well, that was, uh... Let's see how that leads to the sign.

I guess I have to plug in here once.

Rose, why don't you go in there?

On the right.

all out of here.

On that strategy, it's a question of understanding something.

Colson and the bunch understand it.

Well, that's the key thing.

It isn't a question of whether a peace offer was made.

Nobody's making that point.

That's the point that was made in the papers from Father Cotton.

He said, God damn it, he wasn't totally made.

He wasn't.

He's lying.

See what I mean?

See, the Harriman-Vance position has always been that we drop the chance to peace.

That's not new.

That is not new.

They never made a point that a peace offer was made.

It's not even the same point.

It was all in there, what they said.

The new thing that Shriver recommended, in fact, you see, and he didn't.

He had nothing to do with it.

The new point Connolly adds is the line,

out of the country.

Now that we can't say, but we can get it said in some indirect way.

Yeah.

He can call me back.

That's about what we're doing.

How about the other question then?

That's a minor point of fact.

There's a whole line there.

He didn't know for Henry, I'm sure.

I wonder.

That was a lot.

I'll see Henry Lennon using the French government.

I have a feeling he told the ambassador the question.

It started in 69.

Doesn't matter.

If he did know about it, it doesn't make any difference.

Except to make the point that he lied.

He says he did.

That's my point.

He lied if he didn't know.

If he says he knew about them and didn't, he lied.

That's all.

See, Connelly's going into the jugular in a more effective way.

He doesn't give a shit whether he knew or he didn't.

He wants to know whether he lied about it.

That's all we're talking about.

The only way to know whether he lied is to know whether he didn't lie at all.

I think what it was, I think it was good that Christian did it.

He'd seen a paper, probably.

Why did someone have told him that he, because when he came in, he said, I've got another report that got motorized, and the report I had done earlier.

I'm not sure he could just make it up without knowing what I was doing.

a little more of the same, and he isn't strong enough on this stuff, and that's why we want to get him focused on this, and then get him to the rough side of it.

Don't go to the merits, go to the fact you lie.

Right.

Well, that's what he does, in effect.

He says, at first, when I heard this, I was confused.

Now that it's been clarified, it's totally incomprehensible.

first, now he's cleared it up.

It's totally, it's absolutely huge.

And he's, he doesn't say, I don't want to get long on your opinion, but it went very well with the college, you know, with Mitchell and on that other thing.

Everybody's all for him.

We're going ahead and putting the thing together.

He's working it out.

And waiting, of course, until after the next two days of testimony.

Waiting until after the computer's testimony, and we have a solid reading, and then not doing anything anyway before the convention.

The plan would be to go that week after the convention.

The other thing that we came up with, and so that is the third move.

It's not impossible that the grand jury could move the indictments up early.

whether it is desirable to get those indictments in before Labor Day instead of waiting until the middle of September.

And I think it is.

And I can't understand why it's too hard to manage to wait, except to get past the convention.

We don't want them during the convention early, but as soon after the convention we can get them.

But we want the McGregor thing out before the indictments drop, two days before, so that's all that matters.

In fact, it wouldn't hurt to do the McGregor thing before you do it, to not grab on the indictment straw while you're out there, and that's what happens.

Well, except when you said we should be able to deal with that grand jury, from our all respects, they've been told that the criminal administration might have a question we can't, as our attorney general.

See, the grand jury presents the case

Now, the question has been raised as to whether or not Henry told Strider of his trips.

I can't believe that he ever did.

Strider while Strider was there.

Is there any way would Strider have known that somebody

He said that he had met with Henry.

Is that right?

He said that he first learned about it.

Oh, sir.

He didn't know.

He said it.

Okay.

Well, then, all right.

Henry has a categorical denial that he never discussed these things.

Is that correct?

Yeah, but he's got an edge on that.

What's that?

No, no.

He has a categorical denial that he never discussed this.

Is that right?

Is that correct?

I just want to be sure if you don't want to

Okay.

All right.

We'll get it tomorrow.

Okay.

exactly right to hang him on that.

The way he put it, yes, because he tried to hedge it and make it come out so that he could, so that's one thing we were looking at.

He had a way out of it on the basis that he talked with Henry when he was there for a three-year year on the end trip, you know, when he talked with you.

Before there were any secret meetings.

That was before the secret meetings and had no bearing on the secret meetings.

Well, it might have had some.

We hadn't even thought of keeping Henry on

Our only question now is to keep Henry at eight.

And I'm glad you asked him the question because they're concerned that we're escalating the issue.

matter what.

What we want to do is to argue about Stryber's credibility rather than Henry's trips.

Henry is all of us served in his trips and the rest of us.

And it's very well known, I'll be quite candid, each secret trip, it's probably right to that announcement.

But each one becomes less and less significant because it doesn't happen.

It is happening.

And the secret trips were, that was one story when he announced the 13.

Well, meetings with them are just like meeting in the hotel.

It's hard to tell Henry that.

They'll break his heart and tell him that they aren't significant anymore.

But they really aren't.

They are.

Being in Russia, well, Russia will always have it.

And that'll be announced.

That day before, they announced that they were going to do it the same way they did it before.

So they agreed then on the strategy there.

Yeah.

And they said that we was in motion for putting all of them, because the point they made was, of course, about this greater statement.

And his background for any questions he has has got to be very

with full knowledge of the grand jury because he can't he doesn't need to be exactly consistent with the grand jury but he must never be anywhere in the system something that we didn't find can't whitewash anything that the grand jury is going to directly make that'll leave an opening

It really is.

The judgment is not worth a damn on this point.

It's fine.

You know, we've talked about it.

We've got to keep talking to them all the time about it.

Just when he didn't go there once, he moves.

In fact, Hague is better to work with on that than even Hague.

Well, but everybody's talking to Hague.

You've got to be like, you've got to get your work located from them.

But with Hague, you can talk and say, here's the thing.

I'll talk to you when I get back home and say, you don't quite exist.

You don't want to hurt any student.

But the trips now are solely for the purpose of working and putting out the record on them.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't think they're making a hell of a lot of money

I've got a whole stack of them around here.

I wrote one of them around on the draft.

I'm starting to assure you about that when he's there.

Okay.

The way we have to do that, I don't, we can't do it now.

I'm building an election here in prison.

But, and Joe, it's, Larry's thing with Barton around Nevada is too much for him.

I don't know what I think we have to do.

I think it's got to be a strong arm.

Hey, go.

So you see, that's what I have .

Now, what does that have to do with ?

I don't think June's .

Well, I'll go after that.

We have to help her.