{"conversationCode":"363-005","tapeNumber":363,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-363-005","startDateTime":"1972-08-08T16:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-08T17:24:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Aug-1972","startTime":"12:39 PM","endDate":"8-Aug-1972","endTime":"1:24 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.; Rebozo, Charles G. (\"Bebe\"); White House operator; Butterfield, Alexander P.; Sanchez, Manolo;","description":"On August 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Charles G. (\"Bebe\") Rebozo, White House operator, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:39 pm to 1:24 pm. 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(\"Bebe\") Rebozo between 12:39 pm and 12:42 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 363-5A]\n\n[See Conversation No. 29-48; one item has been withdrawn]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:42 pm and\n12:47 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 363-5B]\n\n[See Conversation No. 29-49]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 59s        ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nThe President talked with Alexander P. Butterfield between 12:47 pm and 12:48 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 363-5C]\n\n[See Conversation No. 29-50]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 35m 11s        ]\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:48 pm and\n1:23 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 363-5D]\n\n[See Conversation No. 29-51]\n\n[End Of telephone conversation]\n\nManolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:48 pm.\n\nColson left at 1:25 pm.\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n             The President’s schedule\n                 -Sanchez’s conversation with an unknown person\n\nThe President talked with Butterfield between 1:23 pm and 1:24 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 363-5E]\n\n[See Conversation No. 29-52]\n\n[End Of telephone conversation]\n\nSanchez left at an unknown time before 2:59 pm.","filename":["363-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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Colson and other staff regarding the coordination of an upcoming external announcement. The discussion focused on scheduling logistical arrangements and determining the necessity of the President's personal attendance at a meeting. 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