{"conversationCode":"364-001","tapeNumber":364,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-364-001","startDateTime":"1972-10-05T16:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-05T16:25:00.000Z","startDate":"5-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:20 PM","endDate":"5-Oct-1972","endTime":"12:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.;","description":"On October 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:20 pm to 12:25 pm. 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Kissinger\n                 -Meeting with Patrick Hillary\n                 -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n                 -Black Executive Advisory Committee of the Committee to Re-elect the\n                 President [CRP]\n                 -Admiral Horacio Rivero\n                      -Location\n                           -Spain, Texas\n\nButterfield left at 12:25 pm.","filename":["364-001.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Butterfield, Alexander P."],"prevCode":"363-022","nextCode":"364-002","transcript":[{"start":8.59,"end":20.4,"text":"All right."},{"start":21.48,"end":24.36,"text":"Well, do they think it should be done?"},{"start":24.38,"end":25.08,"text":"They think that should be around."},{"start":25.6,"end":34.07,"text":"This will be the 13th series, and that's what they're both going to match with."},{"start":34.09,"end":35.09,"text":"The woman in the room is going to be held on 13th."},{"start":35.11,"end":36.03,"text":"Yeah, you might be going in."},{"start":36.05,"end":37.51,"text":"Atlanta is going to be held on 13th."},{"start":38.41,"end":44.63,"text":"Oh."},{"start":46.72,"end":54.51,"text":"I don't like getting screwed up, though."},{"start":54.75,"end":56.29,"text":"Oh, no, he can't do that."},{"start":58.01,"end":58.49,"text":"Yeah, he can do sitting."},{"start":58.51,"end":58.88,"text":"No problem at all."},{"start":58.9,"end":59.72,"text":"But we don't have to do it for breakfast."},{"start":59.74,"end":67.95,"text":"He's been doing that for a long time."},{"start":68.05,"end":68.11,"text":"Oh."},{"start":68.59,"end":85.37,"text":"No, no, go ahead."},{"start":85.39,"end":85.65,"text":"Go to Moscow."},{"start":85.67,"end":85.77,"text":"Sure."},{"start":85.79,"end":85.99,"text":"All right."},{"start":86.01,"end":86.55,"text":"All right."},{"start":86.97,"end":99.51,"text":"It may only take 20 minutes."},{"start":99.53,"end":102.18,"text":"And Pat Willoughby, the Irish Foreign Minister, we have a tent that we lined up for tomorrow, just five minutes, with a total of 15."},{"start":102.9,"end":127.79,"text":"All of them are blue form on this one, but the Black Executive Advising Committee."},{"start":127.81,"end":127.89,"text":"Yes."},{"start":127.91,"end":128.83,"text":"Committee for the election meeting down there."},{"start":128.85,"end":129.53,"text":"That's the one on March 7th, 2009."},{"start":129.56,"end":130.1,"text":"I'm going to drop by there."},{"start":130.12,"end":130.7,"text":"I thought we talked about it."},{"start":130.72,"end":131.14,"text":"We need participants."},{"start":131.16,"end":131.94,"text":"I'm going to drop by after two minutes."},{"start":131.96,"end":132.04,"text":"Yes."},{"start":132.06,"end":132.3,"text":"Two minutes."},{"start":132.32,"end":132.52,"text":"All right."},{"start":132.54,"end":132.74,"text":"All right."},{"start":134.24,"end":153.16,"text":"I was going to say I've got a two-minute cop-out, but I've got them."},{"start":153.18,"end":153.42,"text":"I have them."},{"start":153.44,"end":153.54,"text":"Okay."},{"start":153.56,"end":153.66,"text":"Okay."},{"start":153.68,"end":153.78,"text":"Okay."},{"start":153.8,"end":153.9,"text":"Okay."},{"start":153.92,"end":154.02,"text":"Okay."},{"start":154.04,"end":154.14,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Alexander P. Butterfield to finalize the details of his upcoming presidential schedule and meeting formats. The discussion focused on coordinating appointments with foreign dignitaries, including Henry Kissinger and Irish Foreign Minister Patrick Hillery, as well as managing logistics for the Black Executive Advisory Committee of the Committee to Re-elect the President. Nixon explicitly directed Butterfield to keep his attendance at the committee meeting brief, scheduling a brief two-minute appearance.","topics":["Presidential Scheduling","Committee to Re-elect the President","Foreign Policy","Alexander P. 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