Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 366-006
Date: Thursday, October 12, 1972 at 6:10 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.; Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, Manolo; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Kissinger, Henry A.; Haig, Alexander M., Jr.
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/366-006

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[0:00] I hear you had an unbelievable day.
[0:03] Well, it was impressive.
[0:08] It was a great day.
[0:10] I mean, the star, the star went way down there.
[0:14] They didn't give it a half.
[0:18] And it wasn't a half.
[0:20] They did a total of almost 700,000.
[0:23] But it was at least half.
[0:24] What about that?
[1:10] No, no, we'll have it here.
[2:37] That's all I said about that.
[2:39] I said, but brother, what are, what does the South believe in?
[4:15] And I said, and I remember what went wrong.
[4:44] because they're racist because of education
[5:14] Now, the point that I was going to raise with you was whether or not we still actually just want to get rid of the point that I was going to raise with you.
[5:36] Well, it brings me to the point that I was going to raise with you.
[5:46] It's just, but anyway, I really think myself, the more I think about it, I think, you know, it mobilizes troops.
[5:53] There were a lot of their, the nuns were down there, even in Atlanta, it was a strong war.
[5:59] They got the bombing, all that bullshit.
[6:00] But they had the pain.
[6:01] There were only about three or four hundred of them.
[6:05] You know, that's that.
[6:07] But my pride is, my God, this war issue, the son of a bitch is on the wrong side.
[6:11] Of course you agree.
[6:12] I don't know what else to say.
[6:23] It isn't a winner, necessarily, except the point is that it ought to solidify our folks.
[6:45] Yeah, that's one of the major matters.
[6:49] He's a Republican.
[6:52] That's a goddamn lie.
[6:53] I don't know how to read.
[7:35] I agree, they're smart, but on the other hand, why don't we take
[8:12] What'd he say?
[8:16] What'd he say?
[8:17] What'd he say?
[8:42] I talk to all of them.
[8:47] Nobody's going home.
[8:51] I know.
[8:51] All right.
[8:54] But I don't want to speak to them.
[9:00] It's not good.
[9:00] It wasn't good.
[9:00] Yeah, never mind.
[9:01] No, I don't want to say that.
[9:02] I don't want to say that.
[9:04] The speech, it's probably not so, it wasn't very, but it was wrong.
[9:06] And so, it has a, it has a, let's say that's what leaving that out.
[9:18] The National Welfare Rights Administration said it took five-hour hearings to find welfare owners who were close to the bill.
[9:39] People were in the street in front of us and telling residents in Canberra, front and center, we're in the government office.
[9:45] And now it's in the middle of the year because of the welfare ads and the residents .
[9:47] Yeah.
[9:47] And don't leave.
[9:47] Great.
[9:47] And don't let anybody find you.
[9:49] ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
[10:31] What about the Jackass Washington Post story?
[10:42] I think he's still trying to play it cool.
[10:46] I'm not sure whether it's true or not.
[10:49] The goddamn story in the book, anything you say about it, I don't know.
[10:53] It's a lie.
[10:53] It's a fact.
[10:54] All of a sudden, that's the issue.
[10:55] That can be the issue.
[10:58] That's right.
[10:58] Yeah, well, he has the issue.
[10:59] I do agree.
[11:00] I do agree.
[11:01] We're going to kill him.
[11:12] We're going to kill him.
[11:17] We're going to kill him.
[11:23] We're going to kill him.
[11:29] We're going to kill him.
[11:31] Well, that's the son of a bitch.
[11:39] Yeah, that's the son of a bitch.
[12:19] I wanted to get out of school so that I could go to school.
[13:01] I said, by the time I had the role, however, with my role, Bill Perdue, from Maine to Georgia, for three years, I said, I had some doubts because he raised the point that there were, that Grant could be in four of the places, that Robert E. Lee, Joseph E. Johnson, and Stonewall Jackson would be one.
[13:28] Now that relates to the
[13:33] I don't know.
[13:37] I don't know.
[14:04] It goes to amnesty.
[14:05] It goes to morality.
[14:08] It goes to pot.
[14:10] It goes to permissiveness.
[14:12] It's like a dice roll.
[14:13] And it's just, it is.
[14:14] It's an adaptation.
[14:15] And that's the thing.
[14:22] You see it in the breakfast of the other one.
[14:46] to what people believe in.
[14:48] And this other son of a bitch passed away.
[14:50] And he said they had a great problem for example.
[15:21] I don't want a kid to go to jail for five years for smoking marijuana.
[15:30] That's wrong.
[15:31] On the other hand, I don't want to make it like drinking alcohol.
[15:38] You can't legalize it.
[15:39] They want to change the way we think.
[15:41] That's the responsible thing to do.
[15:43] And some of the problems with this have already come out of the windshield.
[15:51] That's right.
[16:48] They are for carrying morality.
[16:53] They're against the establishment.
[16:55] They're against these goddamn times.
[16:59] It was being lied to here.
[17:02] Times, CBS, ABC, NBC, Washington Post, Ukraine.
[17:06] In other words, Goldwater ran eight years ago and said,
[17:21] He had the right gut reaction, but the old water had no sun in it.
[17:26] And yet, Cindy, you know what it did to Mr. Roosevelt?
[17:28] He didn't inspire talent as a person.
[17:31] Mike, for example, got bored.
[17:47] He wouldn't control it now, but not in the time.
[18:18] No, no, we wouldn't be down to two, but it'd be dang close.
[18:50] Yeah, this is Bill.
[19:21] November 3rd.
[19:24] 300,000 households robbed.
[19:52] I love you.
[19:53] I love you.
[20:28] May 8th, December the 11th.
[21:24] Morality.
[21:26] Tell them how they reacted when I said about the spirit of morality.
[21:31] I didn't say it very well.
[21:32] I haven't written it out.
[21:34] You said it the way I said it.
[21:36] You didn't build it up.
[21:37] No, I mean, I could have done about it a little bit.
[21:39] Tell them what I said.
[21:42] That's right.
[21:43] It was not having a garden.
[21:45] It was a street.
[21:46] I can't remember how you put it.
[21:46] But the way I mentioned it, we're thinking of a general structure there.
[21:50] If you got to the point of
[21:54] That is, I said that many people deprecated the South because it had religious value.
[22:00] That's right.
[22:01] That's how I said it.
[22:02] The day that America ceases to have moral and spiritual and religious strength, this country will be finished.
[22:09] Wow.
[22:10] Well, the only interesting thing was the way of the response.
[22:15] The message did travel.
[22:17] God can keep you very well.
[22:17] And they cried out, I reply.
[22:20] You know?
[22:21] And then the
[22:32] And they realized what he had said and thought about it.
[22:38] You see, this is the thing that you're seeing in their lives.
[22:41] You're saying, by God, that's right.
[22:43] And also, the other thing is, they know this is the great issue with McEverett.
[22:49] McEverett is missing.
[22:51] He's amoral.
[22:52] He's got all these coops and nuts around him.
[22:55] And I don't get it.
[22:56] They know that.
[22:57] Well, that's the marvelous way to turn around it.
[23:07] What do you hear, uh, chat from, uh, you know, a part, uh, second era and so forth lately?
[23:14] Just, just, just out of, just out of, just out of, just out of, just out of, just out of, just out of,
[23:36] Severance, get up.
[24:12] The best reaction to this is a national vote.
[24:51] Everybody wanted to see the commercial.
[25:01] There probably was a commercial.
[25:04] They didn't know what happened.
[25:05] They took any parents that said they were going to send them to the U.S.
[25:10] They should have put them out.
[25:11] Don't throw them out.
[25:12] Yeah, I guess.
[25:13] Tell me what happened to the D.C. jail.
[25:13] Did they let them all out or what?
[25:14] They said that they settled it.
[25:15] They had to bring it on some condition.
[25:17] The jail was better than their home.
[25:18] That's what I'm saying.
[25:19] Not because they're ultimate, but because they made them that.
[25:25] I'm just delighted they got rid of them.
[25:29] It's apparently the strategy, as you mentioned, in order to say that it didn't take them in front of the station, they left them pretty serious and were on strike.
[25:35] I don't know.
[25:35] I've lost them in the program.
[25:36] I don't know.
[25:37] That was... Well, we should have said they were tired.
[25:42] Thank God we had another way to get them out of the house.
[25:46] Because basically, let me show you something else.
[25:58] I sure did.
[26:03] I did.
[26:25] All right.
[26:50] She brought her old first grade class and they're all white.
[26:52] Howdy.
[26:52] Yeah, here he is.
[26:52] Hello, gentlemen.
[26:52] All right.
[26:53] Yeah, thanks for the show.
[26:53] All right.
[26:54] Well, let's see.
[26:55] I just talked to Bill Green and the man in black is now.
[27:02] Well, I had time.
[27:04] What?
[27:04] There's a great tonight.
[27:06] Just got one more person.
[27:26] You want to put it in that and see if you're there?
[27:31] I'll put it in there.
[27:32] You set it up there and let us know.
[27:35] Are you ready?
[27:36] In case, Dr. Gates, you would like to look for it.
[27:41] Yeah, well, I've got to scratch and set it.
[27:45] Scratch and set it.
[27:46] Okay, in the rocker.
[27:55] I don't know if you can at least stop the therapy, right?
[28:13] Yes, I think it's all right.
[28:14] What did you say to them?
[28:14] I said nothing.
[28:15] I don't know.
[28:15] I don't know.
[28:17] I don't know.
[28:17] I don't know.
[28:17] I don't know.
[28:18] I don't know.
[28:19] I don't know.
[28:20] I don't know.
[28:21] I don't know.
[28:21] I don't know.
[28:30] I'm going to ask Al, you're too pregnant.
[28:39] You're so pregnant and decent that I can't trust you.
[28:44] You think so, Al?
[28:50] What about you?
[28:51] I don't know.
[28:53] I don't know how to be handled.
[28:57] I have...
[29:08] What do you think, Al?
[29:33] Oh, no.
[29:36] It's so far better than anything we discovered.
[30:05] The bar, of course, we think of all this as the sea of all the problems.
[30:19] It's a silly-ass thing.
[30:21] There's some sand hitting the French consulate and everything.
[30:27] Most people would rather kill all the Frenchmen anyway.
[30:31] My fight is, I'm thinking of America.
[30:33] Most Americans are very cynical about it.
[30:45] I don't know.
[31:38] The control level is too much.
[31:44] It's too much of a ceasefire.
[31:48] Too much of a ceasefire.
[31:50] Right.
[31:50] And some provisions about the conceding of the Senate may not be exactly the same as the conceding of the Senate, but it begins with the conceding of the Senate.
[31:58] We cannot give the conceding of the Senate what it takes.
[32:02] So what I say is that we can continue to try.
[32:05] You are now hearing a dynamic argument.
[32:11] Yeah.
[32:16] Yeah.
[32:20] Yeah.
[32:47] Let me tell you this.
[33:33] I am not going to allow the United States to destroy us.
[34:11] Thank you.
[34:22] Thank you.
[34:27] Everything we've been told.
[34:42] If he doesn't run.
[34:43] Are they after this?
[34:46] No.
[34:48] You should go over it.
[34:50] I would.
[34:52] I would.
[34:55] Is there anybody?
[34:56] Anybody else?
[34:58] I mean, let me make a very long shot at the first one.
[35:10] Now wait a minute.
[35:12] Don't bring it down too quickly.
[35:15] He's got to know we have to twist his arm from the very top.
[35:20] That's it.
[35:20] I don't know.
[35:21] Maybe that's more than he can handle.
[35:24] Maybe he's a nothing, but he can show them.
[35:26] Yeah.
[35:58] And you must not preside in what's the children said or listen to the British Empire or the destruction of America.
[36:11] You understand what I mean?
[36:15] That's why I think maybe you ought to go.
[36:16] Go ahead.
[36:17] I'm going to see if I...
[36:18] I'm traveling.
[36:36] Right, right.
[37:47] All right.
[38:19] That's right.
[38:29] What else?
[38:34] Right.
[38:38] Right.
[38:43] Right.
[38:53] ... ... ... ... ... ...
[39:24] I don't know who got through on this deal, but I'll take one.
[39:33] That's true.
[39:36] That's the confidence.
[39:40] So, they got missing.
[39:40] Yeah.
[39:41] Then, on the political side,
[40:04] The only thing we agreed was that you would talk to the other side about setting up something that would be called the National Council for National Reconciliation and Conference.
[40:19] We'll talk to the part regional.
[40:21] The way regional.
[40:22] The way regional.
[40:23] The way regional.
[40:24] The way regional.
[40:24] The way regional.
[40:25] The way regional.
[40:40] Suddenly the police started shutting down to accomplish this within three months after the ceasefire.
[40:51] In fact, oh, wait a second.
[40:52] Suppose just a different park where there's just kind of one there, a green one there.
[40:55] Which was it down there after the ceasefire?
[41:14] Why have they gone this far?
[41:16] So all they have done is to negotiate a national council for reconstruction.
[41:25] But if you consider the case of London's management city, who believes that this will end with anything other than the two government groups that didn't exist?
[41:34] If you believe in QN, they're in, and they're supposed to negotiate a national council.
[41:38] Q will never agree.
[41:39] They will never agree.
[41:40] So they screw up.
[41:41] And we support Q at the time of
[41:44] All right.
[41:47] All right.
[42:06] And all he wants to do is try to do it in the U.S. Now, what did you do with the reparations and the rest?
[42:20] I'm very, you know, as you know, I give him everything.
[42:26] Because I see those poor Vietnamese kids burning on the same farm.
[42:29] I don't mind that.
[42:30] I don't mind that.
[42:31] uh, uh, that is, uh, basically, I don't need them.
[42:39] They'll do it.
[42:41] They'll do it.
[42:42] They'll do it.
[42:47] They'll do it.
[42:50] They'll do it.
[42:53] They'll do it.
[42:54] They'll do it.
[42:55] They'll do it.
[42:56] They'll do it.
[42:59] They'll do it.
[43:00] They'll do it.
[43:01] They said, screw you.
[43:04] Economic aid to communists compromises their morality.
[43:09] It compromises the Chinese morality.
[43:11] And they're doing good work.
[43:14] This is great.
[43:15] They want a five-year program.
[43:16] What that means is that if we give them a five-year program, that's how it's going to be.
[43:24] That's right.
[43:25] But if there is a five-year program, this is the best guarantee that they're not going to start up.
[43:28] We can get them committed to rebuilding their country.
[43:30] Right.
[43:32] For that period of time, I'm going to concentrate on the interim or the next conference.
[43:42] Exactly.
[43:43] We have more pages on the International Control Order, which is supposed to be the same issue, but it will be for the South Pacific.
[43:50] We have more pages of joint commissions, more party commissions, and more international commissions.
[43:54] It is out of that very draft because they've never heard of it.
[44:00] Yeah, here's what it says.
[44:32] No problem.
[44:33] Give them $10 million, because I believe in this.
[44:38] I believe you don't.
[44:38] We did it for the Germans, we did it for the Japs.
[44:40] Why not for these quarterbastards?
[44:41] Don't you agree, Henry?
[44:43] Don't you agree, Henry?
[44:43] God damn it, I feel for these people.
[44:47] I mean, they fought for the wrong reasons, but damn it, you can tell.
[44:51] I just feel for people that fight and die and flee and get killed.
[44:57] I have no problem with that.
[44:59] I didn't have to do a good thing.
[45:10] And this is why I couldn't refuse to put you on for this.
[45:18] Now, let's see.
[45:19] That's a really significant thing to say.
[45:26] This is the political side.
[45:30] Yeah.
[45:31] Then you have a second thought.
[45:41] And that won't cause any trouble.
[45:47] And we have all of our information on the International Commission.
[45:59] Which, unless you want to spend it without reading it, because I don't know.
[46:01] I will not.
[46:01] I will not.
[46:01] This is incomprehensible.
[46:02] But I will negotiate against it.
[46:03] It's got twice as much on the International Commission as on the political spectrum.
[46:07] Fine, fine.
[46:08] We don't give a shit about that.
[46:11] You don't care about that.
[46:15] No, no, listen to this.
[46:19] The government has to listen.
[46:23] The government said we, the dogs, can work for peaceful countries until we get stated.
[46:28] Do you know that Henry was having that in his speech?
[46:30] Yeah, oh, listen to this.
[46:41] And to say you refrain from using the territory of Cambodia and the territory of Laos.
[46:50] You are in trouble because of the sovereignty and security of other countries.
[46:55] In other words, they are not used.
[47:01] They say they are used.
[47:02] In those countries, foreign countries, though, for the land to all military activities in Laos and Kenya,
[47:09] They want to double that up, don't they?
[47:37] No, about Cambodia, they had a legitimate date, saying to me.
[47:47] This was an astounding meeting, because...
[47:50] Which date?
[47:50] Which date?
[47:51] The last date?
[47:51] The last date.
[47:52] There was no way, the last date, there was no way I could communicate with you, Mr. Finch.
[47:55] Well, we didn't want you to be right on track.
[47:57] How could I be right on track?
[47:58] You see, I had to do it flat and direct, and I just didn't want to get off the wrong track.
[48:03] Ben, Ben, you've been sent to do a stay, going over the old plan.
[48:07] and had a horrible head-knocking death luck, including the ideas which we discussed with you that Friday.
[48:18] And then they started caving towards the end of that day, and Caden, what would you call it, Caden?
[48:24] Caden.
[48:25] Right, I worked for him.
[48:36] Yeah.
[48:38] Yeah.
[49:06] What Henry has read to me is you cannot turn around.
[49:20] If you don't, our problem is we have to brush him.
[49:36] That's a little fresh stuff, if not, how the hell do you want to come up with that?
[49:55] I don't know.
[49:55] Who's going to do that?
[49:57] Is Henry going to do that?
[49:58] Do you think he should go alone?
[49:59] If you go, I don't know.
[50:00] I don't think so.
[50:02] Is there anybody who thinks of, how about the little asshole?
[50:03] I'm just thinking of somebody that
[50:14] For anybody who takes service in West Harlem, when they take the service, there's a possibility there.
[50:25] There's those old friends.
[50:27] You sell him and he bids.
[50:28] Henry, basically, you've got to brutalize him.
[50:31] You've got to accept this.
[50:32] This is a hell of a deal for him.
[50:34] Isn't that the hell of a deal for Jerome?
[50:39] If he's smart, what's happening here?
[50:40] In a way, it's a total way of something.
[50:42] Well, they're going to leave.
[50:46] They're going to end it.
[50:49] That's the main thing.
[50:51] They're going to leave us all with it.
[50:55] Mr. President, there is one journalist in the country.
[50:58] There is one expert in the world who believes we can make peace that keeps you inside out.
[51:02] There's not one.
[51:02] There is one.
[51:03] Why are they leaving?
[51:04] Why are they leaving?
[51:04] Because of the way we played the election.
[51:07] They're not just you.
[51:07] About the election, how do you think about it?
[51:10] How do you think about it?
[51:10] And everything.
[51:11] Very cool.
[51:12] November 7th.
[51:21] Out of domestic matters, I don't even know where I would be at any length if I hadn't had a job out here as a president.
[51:33] So there's no possibility of us meeting before that.
[51:37] We're not in a relationship.
[51:38] You can play it.
[51:39] It's time.
[51:39] It's cool.
[51:41] I'm thinking of kids.
[51:42] All right.
[51:42] And, uh, you know, yesterday morning's one of the strategy I made.
[51:47] You said, you're not serious.
[51:47] You might have been fine.
[51:52] Thank you.
[51:54] Thank you.
[1:06:19] Thank you.
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[1:08:01] You know what happened?
[1:08:22] You know what happened?
[1:14:41] Thank you.
[1:15:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:20:46] Thank you for your time.
[1:26:13] And I ran for five minutes.
[1:26:49] I don't know.
[1:28:16] I don't know.
[1:30:58] Thank you.
[1:34:32] Thank you.
[1:38:19] Thank you.
[1:39:04] What the hell?
[1:41:51] Thank you.
[1:42:29] Thank you.
[1:44:07] Thank you.