{"conversationCode":"372-015","tapeNumber":372,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-372-015","startDateTime":"1972-10-25T14:11:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-25T14:14:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Oct-1972","startTime":"10:11 AM","endDate":"25-Oct-1972","endTime":"10:14 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On October 25, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:11 am to 10:14 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 372-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 372-15\n\nDate: October 25, 1972\nTime: 10:11 am - 10:14 am\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 32-36]","filename":["372-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"372-014","nextCode":"372-016","transcript":[{"start":0.3,"end":22.15,"text":"Yeah, you might point out that I had an hour earlier this morning, discussing the various bills that were in my mind."},{"start":22.17,"end":26.95,"text":"We presently now are going to have the box office right after, I don't remember, that we had to check the urgent call on Saturday."},{"start":26.97,"end":29.18,"text":"In other words, my original friend, who I haven't heard of in a while,"},{"start":74.65,"end":90.33,"text":"Okay."},{"start":104.94,"end":132.27,"text":"Well, my own view is that, yes, I think that this makes me submissive, but I would say, you could say this, that the President is a, that there are two vectors, a very simple one, that the President is for peace and honor, and that his opponents for peace would surrender."},{"start":133.55,"end":134.73,"text":"I'm going to write a quote."},{"start":136.77,"end":142.35,"text":"Is that clear to you there?"},{"start":142.37,"end":142.72,"text":"Yes."},{"start":149.08,"end":162.01,"text":"Try to use the word surrender if you can, if you can't do that."},{"start":162.07,"end":163.15,"text":"Well, anyway."},{"start":163.17,"end":163.44,"text":"Yeah, ."},{"start":163.46,"end":163.97,"text":"All right, all the others?"},{"start":168.9,"end":169.95,"text":"He has made so many."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler coordinate media messaging strategy regarding the Vietnam War. Nixon instructs Ziegler to emphasize a contrast between his pursuit of \"peace with honor\" and the \"surrender\" advocated by his political opponents. The discussion focuses on crafting a sharp, binary narrative to shape public perception of the administration’s foreign policy.","topics":["Vietnam War","Public relations","Election strategy","Peace negotiations","Political rhetoric"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:18:05.109Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","public-relations","election-strategy","peace-negotiations","political-rhetoric"],"audioDurationSec":235,"audioFiles":[{"file":"372-015.mp3","bytes":5646836,"durationSec":235.23,"bitrate":192047,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.875Z","transcriptGapSeconds":38,"transcriptGapShare":0.16,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/372-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/372-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/372/conversation-372-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}