{"conversationCode":"373-024","tapeNumber":373,"conversationNumber":24,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-373-024","startDateTime":"1972-10-24T20:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-24T20:16:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Oct-1972","startTime":"4:04 PM","endDate":"24-Oct-1972","endTime":"4:16 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On October 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:04 pm and 4:16 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 373-024 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 373-24\n\nDate: October 24, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 4:04 pm and 4:16 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n        The President’s schedule\n            -Forthcoming meeting\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 4:16 pm.\n\n                                                    Conversation No. 373-25/375-1\n\nDate: October 24, 1972\nTime: 4:16 pm - 6:30 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with John B. Connally, John N. Mitchell, Clark MacGregor, John D.\nEhrlichman, Charles W. Colson and H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n        Greetings\n            -Connally’s television [TV] appearance, October 20, 1972\n\n        The President’s schedule\n\n1972 election\n        -Vietnam negotiations\n             -Timing\n                 -Connally’s view\n\n                     -Possible public perception of a settlement\n                     -Political ramifications\n                 -The President’s view\n                     -Potential problems\n                         -Nguyen Van Thieu’s situation\n                         -North Vietnamese\n                         -Deadline compared with flexibility\n\nManolo Sanchez [?] entered at an unknown time after 4:16 pm.\n\n                               -North Vietnamese claim\n                                   -Thieu’s blocking of possible settlement\n                          -Delicacy of situation\n                 -The President’s recent conversation with Henry A. Kissinger\n             -The President’s role\n                 -Public perception\n                     -Connally’s view\n                     -Compared with Kissinger’s role\n\nSanchez [?] left at an unknown time before 6:05 pm.\n\n                          -Possible question and answer session\n                               -The President’s view\n                          -The President’s frequent consultation with Kissinger\n                               -Ronald L. Ziegler’s possible statement\n                               -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n             -The President’s strategy\n                 -George S. McGovern’s campaign\n                     -McGovern’s fears\n                          -Thieu and possible statement\n                 -Questions and answers\n                 -Type of settlement and timing\n                     -Kissinger’s statements to North Vietnam and Thieu\n                     -Timeline\n                     -The President’s possible military action after election\n                          -The President’s conversation with unknown person\n                     -Cambodia and Laos\n                 -Vietnamese people\n                 -South Vietnam’s future\n                     -Thieu\n             -MacGregor’s possible appearance on the Today Show\n                 -MacGregor’s recent meeting with Paul {last name unknown]\n\n    -Paul C. Warnke’s possible appearance\n    -The President’s position\n         -White House statements\n         -Kissinger\n         -William P. Rogers\n    -Possible statements\n         -Status of negotiations\n              -Kissinger\n              -Pham Van Dong’s interview with [Arnaud de Borchgrave]\n         -Type of settlement\n              -Survival of South Vietnam\n-Possible response to MacGregor statements\n    -Necessity\n    -Congressmen and Senators\n    -Haig and Kissinger\n-MacGregor’s possible Today show appearance\n    -Response to Warnke’s statements\n         -Cease fire\n    -Melvin R. Laird\n    -MacGregor’s strategy\n         -Haig and Kissinger’s view\n              -Portions of the President’s previous speech, January 25, 1972\n         -The President’s record\n         -McGovern’s plan\n              -Withdrawal\n              -Laos, Cambodia\n              -Surrender\n              -Prisoners of war [POWs]\n         -Current issues compared with past record\n              -The President’s view\n         -McGovern’s statements\n              -Compared with the President and Hubert H. Humphrey’s statements\n              in the 1968 campaign\n              -Effect on negotiations\n         -Attacking tone\n              -The President’s view\n         -Possible statements\n              -Effect of Democrats on negotiations\n                   -McGovern’s actions and statements\n                       -Trip to Vietnam\n         -The President’s policy\n              -POWs\n\n                 -Coalition government issue\n                 -South Vietnamese self-determination\n                 -Thieu’s possible resignation\n            -McGovern’s plan\n                 -Peace with surrender\n                 -Effect on negotiations\n            -Ziegler\n            -Statement about South Vietnamese\n\nPress\n    -New York Times story\n        -Connally story\n             -Source\n             -Retraction\n             -Bob [last name unknown]\n    -Washington Post story on Connally\n        -Telephone conversation\n        -Democrats for Nixon\n    -Los Angeles Times story on Connally's salary\n        -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III\n        -George E. Christian\n             -Samuel W. Yorty\n             -Wilbur D. Mills\n        -Campaign practices\n             -Author\n                 -Edward M. Kennedy supporter\n        -Knowledge of Donald H. Segretti and Watergate\n        -Role in Democratic party\n        -Connally's support for John F. Kennedy\n        -Financial records\n    -Corruption charges\n        -Response\n             -Robert J. Dole\n    -Get-out-the-vote effort\n    -Watergate\n        -Quality of reporting\n             -Ziegler\n             -Segretti\n\nForthcoming TV appearance\n    -Today show\n        -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]\n\n           -Issues and Answers\n                -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew\n                -Samuel A. Donaldson\n           -Face the Nation\n                -William P. Rogers’s appearance with Daniel L. Schorr\n           -Possible Meet the Press appearance\n                -Rogers, George P. Shultz\n                -Agnew\n                -Connally\n                    -The President’s view\n                         -Advantages\n                         -Democrats\n                    -Issues\n                    -Democrats\n                         -October 20, 1972\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 8m 51s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       1972 campaign\n           -The President’s forthcoming radio speeches\n               -Crime and drug abuse, October 15, 1972\n               -Rural America and Farms Ten Goals for America [“Birthright of an American\n               Child” November 5, 1972]\n                    -Coverage by newspapers\n                          -Sunday compared Monday papers\n               -Omnibus veto signing statement [Memorandum of disapproval of Nine Bills,\n               October 27, 1972]\n               -Bill signing [Statement about decision to sign 37 bills, October 28, 1972]\n               -TV compared with radio\n                    -The President’s view\n                    -Connally’s view\n               -The President's previous veterans statement [Radio Address on the American\n\n   Veteran, October 22, 1972]\n       -Time\n   -Audience figures\n   -Newspaper coverage\n   -Hecklers on previous trip to New York\n       -The President’s statement\n            -Tax issue\n   -Use of radio speech material\n       -The President’s forthcoming trips to Ohio and Appalachia\n            -Statements on rural America\n   -Newspaper coverage\n       -Quality\n            -Focus on Vietnam peace settlement issue\n-McGovern\n   -Administration campaign strategy\n       -McGovern fiscal policy\n            -Labor unions\n            -Shultz's preparation of response\n            -Price increases\n            -Tax increases\n            -Inflation\n            -National issues compared with local issues\n                 -The President’s statements in Atlanta, San Francisco\n            -National welfare\n       -McGovern’s character\n            -Handling\n                 -Ehrlichman’s interview at Camp David\n       -The President’s statements\n       -Herbert Stein\n       -Inflation\n       -Unemployment\n       -Possible statements\n            -Donald H. Rumsfeld, Stein, Charles E. Walker\n            -Pierre Rinfret\n            -Today Show\n            -The President’s role\n   -Possible radio advertisement\n       -Today Show alternate\n       -Results of McGovern policies\n            -Taxes\n            -Prices\n            -Unemployment\n\n                        -Recession\n                    -Preparation by Patrick J. Buchanan\n                    -McGovern’s inflationary policies\n                    -The President’s view\n                        -Buchanan\n                    -Rinfret\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 44s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       The President's rally in New York\n           -Nassau County\n           -Joseph M. Margiotta\n           -The President's speech on issues\n           -Senior citizens\n           -Hecklers\n               -Agnew\n               -Margiotta\n                    -Rally cost\n                         -Audience desire to hear the President\n                         -Police action\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 4m 19s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       Watergate\n          -Newsweek\n               -Segretti\n                   -Alleged recruitment of Arthur H. Bremer\n                   -Dwight L. Chapin memorandum to Haldeman\n                         -Possible release to the press\n\n       1972 campaign\n           -Democratic strategy\n               -Advertisements\n                   -New York Times article\n                   -Crime\n                   -High pries\n                   -McGovern\n                   -Amnesty\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 24s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       Campaign finances\n          -Progress\n          -Maurice H. Stans\n              -Telephone calls\n              -Schedule\n                   -Camp David\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 59 s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       1972 campaign advertisements\n           -Amnesty\n           -Crime\n           -Food prices\n           -Marijuana\n           -McGovern’s statements\n           -Radio\n                 -Use of President’s speech material\n           -The President’s schedule\n                 -Coverage in areas of the US\n                      -Midwest\n                          -Chicago\n                      -California\n                      -Times\n                          -Daylight savings time\n           -Effectiveness\n                 -1968 campaign\n                      -George C. Wallace\n           -Unemployment, inflation\n           -Speech topics\n                 -Schedule\n                 -Employment, wages\n           -The President's accomplishments during\n            first term\n                 -economic topics\n           -Vietnam\n                 -Contrast between the President’s and McGovern's positions\n           -McGovern's emphasis on issues\n                 -Henry A. Wallace\n           -Timing\n           -Spending on advertisements\n\n        Campaign finances\n           -Compared with Democrats\n           -Contributions\n               -Collection\n                    -Stans\n               -Democrats\n                    -Colson’s recent conversation with Frank E. Fitzsimmons\n                    -Progress\n                        -Stans\n                    -Paul C. Hall\n                    -Fund raising\n                    -Time story\n                    -Press coverage\n                        -Newspapers\n                        -Washington Post\n                        -Grand Jury\n                        -Time story on Democrats fund raising\n                             -Comparison of loans and gifts\n                                  -Repayment of loans\n                        -Investigation\n                             -Spirit of the law\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 13m 43s ]\n\nMitchell, Macgregor, Ehrlichman and Colson left at 6:05 pm.\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n        Presidential safety\n            -The President’s view\n            -Connally’s view\n\n        -Movement\n    -The President’s trip to Ohio\n        -Cities\n              -Cincinnati\n              -Cleveland\n        -Possible stop at a college\n              -Hiram College\n              -Radical students\n    -Assassin types\n        -John F. Kennedy\n              -[Lee Harvey Oswald]\n        -Report\n    -Motorcade safety\n        -Problems\n    -Assassination attempt\n        -John Kennedy\n        -Haldeman’s view\n              -Planned assassination compared to spontaneous violence\n    -Types of assassins\n    -Ohio trip cancellation\n        -Connally’s view\n        -Chicago\n    -Compared with Lyndon B. Johnson\n\nWatergate\n   -Newsweek\n        -Mel Elfin’s conversation with Leonard H. Marks\n   -Chapin-Haldeman memorandum\n        -Segretti\n        -Existence\n             -Haldeman’s view\n   -White House policy on use of memoranda by staff\n        -Colson’s staff\n   -Dissemination of information\n        -Richard J. Whalen\n        -Press\n             -Washington Post\n             -Jack N. Anderson\n             -Strategy\n   -White House involvement\n        -Colson\n        -Chapin\n             -Memorandum\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 3m 43s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nThis conversation was cut off at an unknown time after 6:05 pm.\n\n[An unknown portion of this conversation was not recorded while the tape was being changed]","filename":["373-024.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"373-023","nextCode":"373-025","transcript":[{"start":6.48,"end":8.32,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull in the Old Executive Office Building to coordinate the President's upcoming professional schedule. 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