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I had a couple of projects that I thought you might work on.

I've been trying to think of a way of getting out, you know, something so that we can have it on the record.

We started to call it Good Balanced White Paper on, uh, always seven months ago.

I think maybe the way I would see it would be to call it the come now, let's have a single standard.

Now, but then I would, and it's been, I've been thinking of possibly a good place to put it, to see who's the last few people that came to work.

The editor of Barrett, who's a great friend of ours, you know,

Not on the perspective of two readers, if I agree with you.

It's a respect that we are continuing to impress.

If you wanted to do something, I had to do that.

I had to do that correct piece, but I had time to do it.

They are, now let's look at all this bullshit they've been put down.

Then in about three or four seconds, you say, IEP.

They talk about IEP.

But then you pick up on my question.

IEP settlement was one.

That was in the best interest of the United States.

You know what I mean?

Where the spot was.

The spot was way down.

They didn't get a damn thing for it.

You know the line.

It was fine.

Look at the wheat tongue.

For Christ's sake, when they talk about the wheat thing, the farmers, farmers are hackers and clowns.

And this is true of all of them.

And not one of these countries has to do with corruption of anybody.

I mean, nobody has taken technical.

The carpet thing, I don't know anything about it, what the Christ and carpet thing is all about.

But my point is, on that, here we get the single standard.

We've got to talk about carbon.

Of course, it was done on the merits.

What in the name of God have they done?

About the 250 G's you've got from those goddamn teachers.

They fought for the right to strength.

Not one blip, another go for us on that.

The, uh, what else would they should be doing about it?

They shut the water gate and the other... Dr.

Gross's.

Mellon.

Shit.

Mellon producers is purely a question of the, uh, of the, uh... And Congress.

What Congress is going to do that itself?

The Congress.

Yeah.

The Congress.

This was an action against the Congress that already made its decision.

And, uh, where, where the, uh, Wilbur Mills.

Ubermails called up and they said this is the way it's going to be and so forth.

And that's the way it went on.

So you can put that out in my comments.

All right.

Then I would pick up the... Then I'd go on and pick up the... Then on the other one, on the whole business of the... of the...

Watergate's got a rush, I think, there.

He'll know how to handle that, but I would say the best way to prove that is to take the just unbelievable stuff that they've done on, uh, on, uh, the thing on, I don't know, the Post this morning.

For crack sakes, you know, they picked up some Democratic committee in San Francisco, and he had not a goddamn thing to do with it.

Hey, you know, which had $343.

We're making up a mailing for I don't know who the damn idiots were.

Anyway, my point is, so much for that.

In other words, and then what comes out of all this, this is a clean administration, and that there's not one, nobody has ever suggested any corruption, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

You know what I mean?

Right.

Personal corruption.

Now, let's come to the other side.

Now, and then, that would not be so funny.

What the hell?

That's all it has to do with basically

But they very well know that you have to get information on rallies and so forth and so on.

And it's done, and it's necessary.

It's a necessary part of the campaign.

I'd like to do something about this point in the way that you have a last-minute call.

Now, the other side of the problem is that, hell, they even exploded a bomb on our 408th constable.

You know what I'm saying?

Then I looked up.

They burned our Phoenix headquarters.

They did $15,000 worth of damage in San Francisco right out of the Montgomery headquarters.

They ran a rough riot in Los Angeles right out of the Montgomery headquarters.

The Montgomery people

They were so rough at the convention.

They spiked tires, did $100,000 worth of damage, and so forth, and go on.

And not one word coming from them to do it.

In other words, derogation, and not second, but violence.

And then also, that there has not been a meeting, except in Kentucky, I must say.

or the president, the first lady, or the daughter of the spokesman, were not organized, deliberately organized, not for the purpose of testing them, but asking the question, could you shut them down?

In other words, do the business of it that is denying the right of free speech if you shut the speaker down.

I mean, if a person heckles, that's the right of free speech.

If, however, he tries to keep you from speaking, that's denying the right of free speech.

The point is that

There it is.

And we don't hear a word more about it than actual contradictions.

Christ they're borrowing money and all of that.

What I'm getting at is, I think, a very hard-hitting thing about the double standards of the press that we work with.

I want to accomplish two purposes.

One, double standards.

The other thing is to point out, for Christ's sakes, they're only doing this last-minute desperation stuff.

Now, the other thing I want you to do I want you to get together the

It's very weak to fight off the Bavarians once and all.

I've seen that in some of our stuff.

I don't care who you say.

And that shouldn't be that difficult.

When I say the prosperity of the economy, it's all bullshit on that.

Some of the bitches are left-wing.

The drug addicts, we know.

What I'm getting at is difficult.

However, it is vitally important, vitally important, that you be viciously, unmercifully, brutally attacked, even by the media.

Well, they had to be.

Because the way his thing is developing now, I can read between the lines now, they're going to go back and say, we should have done it four years ago, even that old asshole Harriman said it last time.

But the point is, he had to admit he was wrong.

Yeah, but my point is, forgetting Harriman, on McGovern's side, what did McGovern offer when he came down?

You get to get a quote where he had often said that they should have accomplished this government in South Vietnam, and that we would pay hand on for our field of history, right?

No deal on that.

No deal on how it was handled here.

And not only remove hate in South Vietnam, but disarm the South Vietnamese people.

Disarm.

I had to pull out and put this in the lake.

I had to hold this in the lake.

I know it was really difficult.

Yeah, and hold this in the lake.

And that he had advocated, you know, the best way to do it is to shorthand it.

Here is the man for peace, for the U.S. to get out and let the communists take it.

Peace with surrender.

Let the communists surrender.

And ours is peace and honor.

But he's got to be attacked.

viciously and toughly, to keep him on the defensive on our end so that he doesn't get on the defensive with us.

If you'll get some of that together, your crew, I'm sure you can feel strongly about it.

What do you think?

I agree.

Putting that plan in the top, I think we're going to do it together.

He's going to wait and see if someone gets buzzed.

Right.

If not, he'll start screaming.

Give it to the vice president.

He can say it, I'll tell him.

And that, but to point out,

that the McGoverns would think.

And I'd also say that the McGoverns, the Peacemen, rather than their bringing on the settlement, delayed it.

Hit it.

If they were the ones that their constant harping and criticism and so forth gave hope to the enemy.

And it was only when the enemy, in other words, we'll never see it, but somebody else will see it.

It's only when they felt that they had no other choice that they decided to come to Jesus.

Nobody in the government, you know what I mean?

Well, if he wanted to pull out of Thailand, it was the enemy.

Yeah.

In other words, that he wanted to give the enemy terms, that they did various things.

He wanted to pull out of Thailand.

He had no insurances on Cambodia or Laos.

You see?

Not on the prisoners.

Not on the prisoners of war.

And not only didn't he even have a bay there, I know there's several of them, I mean...

Lissinger is jacking off the last night with saying, well, this is really a coalition government.

Well, listen, we're son of a bitch.

See, the whole line is, and I know how these people develop.

The left wing was taken so much by surprise.

They didn't know what to do with it last night.

But, you know, they never stay in the foxhole long.

They're coming in and out with both guns fired at them.

I want you to give an order to your entire staff.

It's very important.

This has got to be followed absolutely rigidly.

No call must be returned to anybody.

There's a reason for it.

It has to do with this bargaining.

not Margaret, not Farrowfield Patrick, not our very best friend, not Grant.

No call must ever be returned to the book.

The times, yes.

Play the times against the folks.

This is a good time to do that.

Play frankly with the folks.

Because they decided to draw the sword.

They've now libeled Mitchell.

They've libeled Stans.

And they have libeled all of them.

They've got them.

They're true.

He would have had the 7 million people of Cambodia and the 3 million people of Laos would have been turned over to the communists.

Thailand would have been left helpless by the communist takeover.

Communists can take the solution.

But I think you've got to point out, though, my government was refused with surrender.

Abject, crawling in and out of the group.

I didn't do that again.

Defeated with surrender.

No guarantee that we would pay for our POWs.

Leave it to the good faith of the enemy and so forth.

But he's got to be hit hard, because their line is, one, this is what we offered all the time.

Second, this is what we could have gotten four years ago.

Third, I haven't got any answer on this.

I know that.

But they will return the answer starting tonight.

Do you agree?

I do.

And so how do you think you, I'll get Colson.

I'm going to tell Colson that you're doing all this.

And you do tell him that.

But you prepare.

You'll get there.

You'll get the ammunition.

by God, we want a message.

In other words, kick whatever, rather than having them talk about a fire proposal, kick the shit out of Nostradamus.

I think this man has said, for example, he said, his first trip to Paris was the most immoral thing that he's ever did.

He should be hit with that at every place.

I mean, he should be Hitler for the press.

He should be knocking the shit out of Schreiber now.

I mean, this is the first time he should be taken on because he's gone too far.

I don't know.

Yesterday, yeah, he said it was just a political trick by you.

We had no intention of saying anything yesterday, but now it has gone out there.

It's so absurd.

It's true, Henry.

We know that.

They repeat things in a way that it gets into the public consciousness.

If you want to remember, 90% of the press, if you're talking to the press room, never saw them so depressed.

Never saw them so depressed.

See, 90% of them, they don't want you.

They want to defeat us.

They want to defeat you.

And they want to prove themselves right.

Nobody would believe that they could get these.

That's right.

And as long as we hold out a few, there could be no secret.

But the press, he said, has never been so depressed.

He said he's going to have the most depressed group he ever saw in his life.

But you talk about that coalition government that we all have been saying is a sort of coalition government.

Here you've got some sort of a jackass who's been operating on a billion dollars.

With the people, with a unanimous decision required.

You don't think that's smart with a bastard who isn't going to sink the country?

He'll hang those bats for the ball.

I'm all for it.

But with unanimous decision to supervise elections, that he goes back to the big two.

See?

That's okay, though.

That's exactly the thing I offered, that the communists could participate in the supervisory bodies.

Remember I said that?

Well, that's all we agreed to.

Cut it out.

And, of course, we had the election.

That's right.

But, you see, but they aren't going to write it.

Let me say that, and there isn't going to be any reconciliation with this one, Pat.

There's not going to be any reconciliation.

I mean, with the post-trial trial.

And I don't mean we, I don't mean we turbo over it for us.

But we have got to kick McGutter and kick Schreiber right in the balls.

Right in the balls.

Okay.

Or do you agree with this?

Yeah, I do agree with that.

I think it's necessary to do that.

You've got to do it?

Again, they'll wait for something, and then they'll just jump on it.

They do it all the time.

At the moment.

At any time.

I think so too.

You see what I mean Pat?

You've got two different projects.

One, what do you think of my parents?

What do you think they want to be done?

And then have it reprinted.

Well, who else could you get to put it out?

We've got a little Democrat to do it, but do you want it from paper or raw?

I'd just like a full page.

You see, you just mail it out to McGregor's office and get it to play.

We need to have it credited to somebody or something.

I guess Barrett would be too late.

Well, as a matter of fact, I want it for the record, not to affect the campaign.

I didn't want it for the record.

You get my point?

Right.

Give it to Barrett.

See, they don't affect the campaign.

You know that.

back with your wife out last night what did that amuse you the assholes had to spend their whole their whole program on uh but it will be for a day

I think we've got to put them in there.

See if we don't put them in there.

Also, unless they come up, this is a trans view.

It's a hard time.

They can't have a day like today where they resolve all three networks and leave.

There's a big back and break.

They have to be generous.

Well, they were back in the day.

I talked about some sort of a Democrat moment.

That was the baddest thing I ever saw.

Basically, they're engaging in bombing.

They're engaging in violence, breaking the windows and devastation.

They're engaging.

Not exactly.

I think I shouted at the speaker, disrupting me.

I think that's an accident that they're in the right place.

Is it an accident that they're along the place where he's in there?

And has any of this happened to him?

Hell no.

Nobody shouted at him.

I don't want to.

Or a driver.

Vietnam is more important.

And I'd get to work on that.

Just knock their brains out.

And I think it's all right for Agnew to kick him in the ass on this.

Agnew's exempt.

Not me.

Agnew's exempt.

I heard this morning on television he was saying there are parts of this agreement that nobody knows anything about.

a little bit.

Just write it forth and talk through it.

What I mean, I don't have to say anything about the retreat, I just have to attack.

The main thing is to attack the McGovern for delay, for delaying the needs of the district income center if it had not been for McGovern, for the McGovern Act.

I would be very hard on the fact that the Nixon

and this is the real choice that we stand in.

Fair enough?

Right.

Good luck to you.

Thanks.

One thing we ought to keep getting out is that we met public because Hanoi published a contact plan.

We had no intention of saying anything on that.

Well, that was, I think, quite true.

But you've got to, you can't assume it is because everybody's, you see, the beauty of this situation is, oh, I'm on the election bench.

Christ, I knew this all the time, hell, I'd known it for a couple weeks.

And I haven't said a goddamn word.

And, uh...

And as a matter of fact, we have deliberately not pressed to get it done before the election.

Because what we're interested in is not the next election, but the next generation as far as the settlement is concerned.

The right kind of a settlement comes first.

It's a good chance you're getting it.

It's a good chance you're leaving the panel.

Right.

Okay, good luck to you.

I've done it.

It's better for you to take a little extra.

It will.

It is harmful.

Well, what I was going to ask you was this about...

I think it's very important in anything you do in the next couple of days to just concentrate almost exclusively on knocking down this political night.

And on how this settlement is...

totally different from the people.

You've got to hit it.

You've got to flounder as hell on that.

That it's not a coalition.

That it provides a guarantee for a few of them.

That it judges the war and allows a mandate.

It provides the guarantee of Laos and Cambodia.

And it provides the word of all with which the people of South Vietnam can defend themselves.

That's a hell of a strong point.

It's a good sermon.

On the other hand, it's fair that an army is not.

I mean, I know you've got a plate of them too, but you've got to knock down two leagues.

In fact, in June, the officer was a taster.

He still didn't get a picture cut out of it.

They've been taking bunch of actions from you after another night.

Whenever they tried to stop a gang of Floyds, they saw two feet on your head out by explaining why you wouldn't sign.

I mean, in our...

In North, they thought they could chop you away, and two, they never thought we'd go to the offensive.

We had to do it.

We had no choice.

But God made us put out the agreement.

And for us, what they thought is that they would go out and that I, they thought that I was so, they believed in the Western propaganda and the virus and the effect that I would do anything to save people.

They didn't realize that we'd go out and save themselves.

Now there's two very senior communist officials, North Vietnamese and the Scottish.

One, if Nixon won't sign on April 26th, or on October 26th, as we have planned, or the other guy says, then we go public and destroy him in the election.

And he'll be totally defeated in the election, at least.

So therefore, he must sign.

He's on the defensive.

We've got him on the defensive.

Well, we have this card that's going public, and instead of going over the fact of it and explaining why people decide, we did a double, so that we put out our own version of the agreement.

Right.

What is the situation now?

Have you sent a message to their author today?

So I thought, I'm sending a message today, I thought we should wait for it to go out and see if we can offer next Wednesday.

The one disadvantage about next Wednesday or Thursday is that if we don't come to an agreement, then we may want to offer later.

So we said one more question, let's do it.

Why don't you offer the weekend?

Well, I think you've got to be, I can get us through that thing.

I think you've got to stay.

No, I'll tell you, rather than one more session, we'll do it.

Why don't you just offer next Sunday, and you're just there.

Just stay there.

We've got to have that.

You're there while we're... Well, I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't get that.

Because they can't just pull it.

I mean, what are they going to do on this country before the election?

I don't know.

It's just a negotiation.

It's bad.

I have no doubt at all about what we did right.

I have no question at all about the effect

So he's been very disturbing.

And always, always, and always, of course, attempts to put the whole thing in perspective.

To note that the whole goddamn level of repressed, the Lissigars and all those assholes are dying.

And they've done everything they can to fish on this thing already.

There it is.

What would you agree?

But they're not doing it.

You know, they're doing it at all.

I know they're still shooting tomorrow.

But now it's diverse.

The others are sort of adding little footnotes of finishes to what is an overbalance.

It's basically a reaction.

Oh, yeah, I think it's 98%.

It's an overbalance.

But then, you know, they have to find little workers.

They say nothing about you, and they say nothing about you.

They had some prisoner violence on television this morning.

Well, they thought that we just got to be sure that it comes through tough, strong, no surrender settlement on our part.

You see, the most important thing is not peace.

They want an America they're proud of, and they're praying this for them to come.

And that is the important thing.

And we've got to be honest with them.

That is the event.

That's what we've got to do.

Well, they have a Jewish foundation at this point.

That is the event.

you must not for a reason

Basically, I tell you, all of them would never say that he's a person.

They libel the poor son of a bitch.

And he's an honest man.

There's nothing to do with all this shit.

He's an honest, honorable man.

I don't know what the facts are about the bunch, but it is a private bunch.

There should be.

There should be a piece of this.

There should be a guy who's watching this right now.

There should be some rock and roll people doing this right now.

I have no question.

It's common practice, but we didn't, Watergate, of course, is not our, we frankly haven't done it yet.

The tactics of the gun water chiefs were these assholes who worked over the committee, these hard-line former C.I.D.

people.

But why they were tapping the gun?

The Democratic committee proved to be good, because as a professional, the Democratic committee doesn't know what to do.

That's exactly right, I didn't know what to do.

But this is what is happening, and you're tapping a Humphrey, or a Muskie, or something.

The stupidity of the operation was exactly right.

But I think that we should go on the attack on McGarvey.

You get my point?

Got to attack McGarvey.

The only thing to consider is he's still dead.

Not dead in the sense that we do this in order to keep him from attacking the Senate.

Oh, that's right.

That's the point that I'm concerned about.

Oh, oh, that's it.

Oh, that's it.

The surrogates and the rest, they say, is Goldwater or Tanny.

What kind of people?

I think that's it.

Because if we don't, it'll leave him free to piss on us.

We can't let him do this.

This is too big, Kevin.

Too big for the country.

And we're not going to let him do it.

They can't be answered about his case.

You know, you're absolutely right, Bill.

I mean, he's playing foolish.

They thought they couldn't do this for no reason.

And I read back to the person who came out.

We could have turned him out.

We could have turned him out of the way.

We could have said, you know, it's a poker mess, and everybody's a communist, and they're such kind of cold, and so forth.

But I'm glad you're this way.

This is great.

This is what you were for, and so forth.

Now, tell me, do you think you have behaved better than him?

Well, Hugh, he did a lot to get better.

He sent his fathers around the world to try to come up with a voice for himself, but that won't do him any good.

No, not now.

Secondly, he could get his proposal for a referendum, which is not going to get anywhere.

do that.

We do that because... You don't think it's just a long shot.

You don't build Buc-ee to make one of your usual sojourners out there.

Buc-ee is the captain.

He pressed Buc-ee.

I think it should wait until the end of next week.

There is a playoff.

You've got to have somebody to press.

I think they're going to pick him around

I don't think I should have seen it again.

I couldn't help it any of these.

Because if I had seen it, why write a paper on a concrete wall?

I've been laid on the line.

It's all over now.

Now that we're out, he's got to realize it.

That's it?

That's it.

We've got to get him a few quick manage changes.

I'd like to fix the transit management structure.

Anything you can do now, Hope, once I get you talking to Conrad?

I had to take the call, but he wouldn't take the call if I hadn't called.

But he did call.

He didn't call.

He didn't call back.

He did call back.

He did

the whole group that he says, don't make a settlement before the election.

I want you to particularly say, we have no opinion.

There isn't going to be any before the election.

It's not going to be the best department, but we want to keep the government banked.

That's a follow-up settlement on these two points that we made, and so forth and so on.

I don't want colleagues thinking he's been such a brick on all this stuff.

Another one that

And what did I do?

I went to the drug club.

exactly what the president asked for and he is not really careful and that's the main thing is to attack whatever that's the perfect tactic to attack parents is that what you just said?

did he call you already too?

he already came out for it ask him to call you already, don't you bother with him he's too high

Hey, do you think of anybody else like that?

Connelly is the one I want you to pick, you know, and find out that George Pritchard was called by hosting, that he's already called.

A, graduation, because you were preaching, but you wanted to come in fine, and say it's great, and say that the call was heard, and you should call out the request of the president, and I thought it was really great for you, and so forth.

Is standing up on May 8th, put it that way, I watched the president say, it's really made all of this possible, because it's May 8th, and it's that day.

Well, Agnew is basically a little sick.

He's doing fine.

He's behaving well.

But he's not good.

He's rigid and stubborn.

He doesn't understand that you have to

What is this now?

It's October 27th.

Who will hear this speech?

Three years ago this night, we were sitting here, we were sitting over this speech.

On November 3rd, we had Congressman Don McBride, who had said that before the 7th, my farm, my farm, North Vietnam, had just been consecrated to constant slavery, to constant slavery.

Let's have our meetings online.

June 5th, 5th.

What do we do to create more sorrow over our people?

Uh, North Vietnam, what do you expect them to say?

Well, I think because North Vietnam has been a spy, and North Vietnam has this private message for us before your briefing.

But they had already blown it on that day.

Well, North Vietnam had thought, what did we do?

We said they were right.

So they ought to be happy.

The one price we pay is that they are in a better position to be cut in the next session.

Yeah.

Now, Bobby.

What do you want to read through, Bobby?

What I recommend on the bottom is that if we meet next week on the second floor, there may be something to be in the next week, but if we meet next week, it is true, we run a risk.

It shows progress.

A, it shows progress.

B, it's true, we run a risk if we meet next week.

Right.

But B, they don't have a risk if you're sent on the elective three days later.

Right.

And therefore, I think therefore, I have to say, my view on the bombing is that, but then we've got to stop the bombing.

After that, we've said, well, it's not before.

Oh, no.

After that, we've already offered that.

As soon as you see we have two tremendous veterans, one...

things up next week.

And I think that means that we're stopping the bombing because of the progress that was made.

And then our consultation will be complete.

Do you remember Harold Lee?

I hope he's not a giant.