Conversation 375-005

TapeTape 375StartThursday, October 26, 1972 at 10:01 AMEndThursday, October 26, 1972 at 12:16 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  White House operator;  [Unknown person(s)];  Chapin, Dwight L.;  Sanchez, ManoloRecording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On October 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, unknown person(s), Dwight L. Chapin, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:01 am to 12:16 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 375-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 375-5

Date: October 26, 1972
Time: 10:01 am - 12:16 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

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Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time
between 10:01 am and 11:04 am.

[Conversation No. 375-5A]

[See Conversation No. 32-44]

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Haldeman talked with an unknown woman from Dwight L. Chapin’s office at an unknown time
between 10:01 am and 11:04 am.

[Conversation No. 375-5I]

[See Conversation No. 32-44B]

[End of telephone conversation]

[Conversation No. 375-5J]

[See Conversation No. 32-45]

[End of telephone conversation]

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        Vietnam peace settlement negotiations
            -The president’s schedule
            -Henry A. Kissinger’s forthcoming briefing
            -Possible developments before election
            -Press statements
            -The president’s schedule
                -Ohio
            -Possible statements regarding Vietnam
                -Lack of a statement
                -Long Island
                      -“Peace with honor”
                -Negotiations
                -“Peace with honor”
                -“Peace with surrender”
                -Kissinger’s forthcoming statement
                      -Procedures
                      -Content
                          -Four party signatory compared to two party signatory
                      -Point of statement
                          -Tone
                               -Haldeman’s view
                          -Provisions of agreement
                               -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                               -May 8, 1972 proposals
                                     -POWs, cease-fire
                               -Coalition compared to self-determination for South Vietnamese
                          -Position
                          -The President’s involvement
                          -Press reaction
                          -US accomplishments
                          -Kissinger’s style

Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:01 am and

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11:04 am.

[Conversation No. 375-5B]

[See Conversation No. 32 – 46]

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                 -Cancellation of trip
                     -Implication
                 -Kissinger’s view
                     -McGovern’s strategy
                         -Nguyen Van Thieu

Haldeman talked with Chapin at an unknown time between 10:01 am and 11:04 am.

[Conversation No. 375-5C]

[See Conversation No. 32-47; one item has been withdrawn]

        Vietnam peace settlement
            -Kissinger’s statement
            -Prospects for peace
            -McGovern’s advisor’s criticism
                -Timing of settlement compared to the 1972 election
                -Haldeman’s view
            -Kissinger
                -Thieu
                -Television [TV] appearance
                -Haldeman’s handling
                -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s handling
            -Public impression
                -Political considerations
                -Timing
                -Character of settlement
            -Compared with 1962 Laotian settlement
                -Kissinger’s view
            -Type of settlement
                -Kissinger’s view
            -Problems with public impression
                -Thieu’s role

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        -North Vietnamese pressure
             -US
    -Importance of Kissinger’s statement
    -McGovern’s position on Vietnam
        -Strategy
        -Thieu
        -Kissinger
        -Timing of pact
             -October 31, 1972
        -Thieu
             -Military
    -Kissinger’s statement
        -Nature of argument
        -Translation issues
             -Ambiguity
        -Implementation of cease-fire

1972 campaign issues
    -Administration strategy
        -Patrick J. Buchanan’s view
        -Response to corruption charges
             -Reassurance of US allies
             -The President’s view
                      -Aggressive policy
        -Buchanan’s view
             -Public sentiment
             -Watergate
             -Vietnam issue
    -The President’s forthcoming speeches
        -Raymond K. Price, Jr.’s office
        -Campaign trip
             -Farm speech, “Radio Address on the American Farmer”
                 -Schedule
             -Motorcade
                 -Schedule
             -Possible statement on defense
                 -Defense foreign policy issue
        -Focus on defense issues
             -McGovern's changes in positions
             -Foreign policy
             -Scheduling

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                         -Ohio
                              -Price
                     -Kissinger
                     -Timing
                 -Administration position review
                     -Haldeman’s forthcoming meeting with Kissinger
                 -Domestic issues
                 -Washington Post story on the President's October 25, 1972 speech
                     -Compared to story on McGovern’s television speech
                         -Vietnam
                     -Implications of story
                         -Education
                              -Aid to parochial schools
                         -Busing
                         -Catholics
                 -TV
                     -Vietnam
                     -Options
                     -Vietnam peace settlement possibility
                         -Timing compared with the election
                              -possible public perceptions

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Haldeman talked with Chapin at an unknown time between 10:01 am and 11:04 am.

[Conversation No. 375-5D]

[See Conversation No. 32-48; One item has been withdrawn]

[End of telephone conversation]

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        House Resolution [HR] 1 legislation
           -John D. Ehrlichman’s view
           -Timing

        Vietnam peace settlement negotiations
            -Democratic Republic of Vietnam [DRV] [North Vietnam] strategy
                -Thieu
                -Desire to end war
                -US response
                    -The President’s view
                         -October 31, 1972
                    -Bombing halt
                         -Kissinger’s position
                         -Meeting with Le Duc Tho
                         -The President’s response
                         -Haig
                         -American public
                         -Lyndon B. Johnson
                             -Media commentator’s point, October 23, 1972
                         -Progress in negotiations
                    -Kissinger's conversations with Max Frankel,
                     Richard (“Dick”) Wilson, William F. Buckley, Jr.,
                     William White, Howard, K. Smith

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:01 am.

        Food request

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 11:04 am.

        White House schedule
           -Daily strategy meeting attendance
               -Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Colson
               -Clark MacGregor
               -Corruption issue
               -8:15 am meeting
                    -MacGregor, Robert H. Finch, Donald H. Rumsfeld,
                      Peter M. Flanigan, Herbert G. Klein, Herbert Stein,
                      Caspar W.(“Cap”) Weinberger

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        Kissinger and the Vietnam peace settlement negotiations
            -The President’s view
            -North Vietnamese actions

        Harry S. Dent

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 10:01 am.

        Telephone call request by William M. Colmer
            -Administrative assistant [Trent Lott]

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:04 am.

        Vietnam telephone poll
            -The President’s request
            -Release of prisoners of war [POWs]
            -Cease-fire
            -Non-communist government in South Vietnam
            -Issue of bombing halt during negotiations
                 -Public reaction

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        Vietnam peace settlement
            -McGovern’s position
            -North Vietnamese position
                -Issue of provisional government
            -Possible impact of 1972 election
                -Kissinger’s concerns

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            -Polls
                -Haldeman’s recent conversation with Kissinger
                     -George H. Gallup
                          -Results
                     -Louis P. Harris
                          -Forthcoming results
                     -Timing of remaining polls
                     -North Vietnamese options
                          -Possible assassination of Thieu
                          -Possible bloodbath in South Vietnam
                -McGovern’s position
                     -North Vietnam
                     -Thieu
                     -Administration poll
                -Interpretation
                -Public perception
                     -Thieu
                     -Administration efforts
                     -Type of settlement
            -Kissinger's statement and briefing preparation
                -John A. Scali, Ronald L. Ziegler
                -Possible question and answer [Q&A] session
                -Colson, Ehrlichman

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Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:01 am and
12:16 pm.

[Conversation No. 375-5E]

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[See Conversation No. 32-49]

Haldeman talked with Chapin at an unknown time between 10:01 am and 12:16 pm.

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[See Conversation No. 32-49; one item has been withdrawn]

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        Motorcade security
           -Robert H. Taylor
           -Speed
           -Small towns
           -Stopping for flowers from people
           -Hecklers
           -Communications between the President and driver
               -Microphone
               -Taylor
           -Chicago
               -Varying speed
               -Locations of bands in relation to the President
                    -Possible plans for demonstrators
                         -Atlanta
               -Richard B. Ogilvie, Charles H. Percy
               -Location of press
               -Highways compared with main streets
                    -Previous trip to Westchester County, NY
               -Observers

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                 -Crowd control
                 -Exposure to crowd
                     -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon

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        1972 campaign
            -Vietnam peace settlement negotiations
                 -Kissinger's statement
                 -Scali
                      -Kissinger
                          -Advice
            -Instructions for the staff
                 -Vietnam
                 -News summary
            -Public perception
            -Administration strategy
                 -Response to McGovern's Vietnam stance
                      -“Peace with surrender”
                 -Sabotage and campaign practices
                      -TV audience size for McGovern's speech

Haldeman talked with an unknown person on his staff at an unknown time between 10:01 am
and 12:16 pm.

        TV audience share figures
           -McGovern's speech on corruption
           -Connally's broadcast

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       McGovern's speech on corruption
          -Audience for television broadcast
             -New York
             -Comparison to Connally's broadcast
                   -Share compared with rating

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       1972 campaign and Vietnam
           -Administration strategy
               -POWs
               -Amnesty
                   -Attacks on McGovern’s position
                   -Cease-fire agreement
                        -POWs
                             -The President’s plan compared with McGovern’s plan
                                 -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
               -Press coverage
                   -McGovern’s approach
               -Bombing halt compared with continuation of bombing
               -Haig
                   -Public opinion and use of slogans

       1972 campaign issues
           -McGovern’s comments
           -National defense
           -Vietnam
           -Welfare
               -McGovern

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             -Vietnam
                 -Amnesty
             -Busing
             -Parochial school aid
             -Abortion
             -National defense
                 -Plant closings, spending cuts
             -Taxes
             -Federal spending
             -Welfare
             -Presentation of campaign practices issue
                 -Administration efforts
                      -Press reaction
                          -MacGregor, Ziegler
                      -The President’s position
                      -Colson

Chapin talked with Haldeman at an unknown time between 10:01 am and 12:16 pm.

[Conversation No. 375-5F]

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[See Conversation No. 32-50; one item has been withdrawn]

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        Watergate
           -Colson’s analysis

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       -Effect on fund raising
       -Effect on campaign workers
       -Denials
           -Ziegler, MacGregor, Robert H. Dole
       -Effect on voters
           -Lower middle class blue collar workers
                -Understanding and care
                -Issues of concern
                     -Amnesty
                     -Abortion
       -Effect on upper income suburban voters
       -Results of effect on fund raising and party workers
       -Swing vote
       -Voters’ perceptions of the President
           -The President’s character
    -Combined impact on voters
       -McGovern’s previous speech, October 25, 1972
           -Campaign fund irregularities
           -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
           -Carpet manufacturers

US-Soviet Union wheat deal
   -Allegation of illegal profits
       -White House response
            -Administration denials
                -Advantages and disadvantages
            -Wait and see attitude
            -Administration defense
       -White paper
            -The president’s orders
            -MacGregor, Agnew
            -Defense against lying
                -Washington Post article, October 25, 1972
            -McGovern charges against the President and his administration
                -Effect
            -Lying
            -The President’s role
            -MacGregor
   -Accusations of McGovern’s lying
       -Proof
            -Charges against Haldeman

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                      -Evidence
                      -Ziegler, MacGregor
                 -Strategy of attack on Administration
                 -Administration strategy
                 -McGovern strategy
                 -Prominence of story after the election
                 -Weinberger’s view
                      -Post-1972 election investigation
                          -Richard G. Kleindienst
                          -Libel suit

Chapin talked with Haldeman at an unknown time between 10:01 am and 12:16 pm.

[Conversation No. 375-5G]

[See Conversation No. 32-51; one item has been withdrawn]

[End of telephone conversation]

        1972 campaign and campaign practice allegations
            -Political campaign and previous allegations
                -Donald F. Nixon
                -The President’s residences
            -Watergate
            -MacGregor as spokesman for response to McGovern’s allegations
                -Agnew
                -Dole
                -Political nature of charges
                -Line of defense
                -Ziegler
            -Vietnam
            -Effect of McGovern’s charges on voters
                -California
                -Massachusetts
            -Colson's staff
            -1968 campaign

        Vietnam issue
            -North Vietnamese
            -Cuban missile crisis
            -Value

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The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 10:01 am and 12:16
pm.

[Conversation No. 375-5H]

        Request for a meeting with Ziegler

[End of telephone conversation]

        Vietnam issue
            -Value to the administration compared with value to McGovern

        The President’s forthcoming trip to West Virginia and Kentucky
            -Arch A. Moore, Jr.
                -Schedule

        Speeches
            -Radio address on Defense Policy, October 29, 1972
                -Amnesty
                -Volunteer army
                -Israel
                -Defense
                -US supremacy
                     -Communism
                -Job growth

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        Campaign practices charges

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            -Response
                -Colson
                -Articles
                -Agnew
                -Strategy
                -MacGregor
                -Political charges
                     -Political answer

Haldeman left at 12:16 pm.

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... ...
It's going to be awful.
It is that way.
I know that Henry's been a freak for a while now, but there isn't a goddamn thing else I can say.
And nothing's going to happen this day, or probably this week, or probably for the rest of you now.
So we sit around and wait.
I think the point is that you go stay here, and we work on this until the next day, and then you're going to come in later and try to make it on Saturday.
So, uh...
and we will be back to you with a new report.
What problem of going in tonight is that you go out and say something about Vietnam.
I'm not going to get a problem with that.
If you don't say anything about Vietnam, you go to the front.
I don't have any problem with that.
I get that.
But in the sense that, what I said earlier, I'll do the same thing I did on Long Island, where I said we seek peace with honor.
And I'm not going to comment upon it because of the sensitive nature of the negotiations.
We seek peace with honor.
The procedure is going to give the points to be worked out in order.
His first point was that we needed a four-party signatory instead of a two-party signatory.
And I said, that's not important.
And he said, I know, but I'm working up to the importance.
So I finally put the risk of it, let me say, that your job here is not to educate these sons of bitches.
It's to get our story sold.
And therefore, you must not use the professorial approach of logically building to a conclusion.
You've got to go on the opposite approach of starting with a leap.
I told him, I told him, Dan, here's the same thing.
I said, I'm here to point you.
You've got to get across.
And I said, this isn't fair.
I said, you've got to talk to me about this.
He said,
It carries out the President's main proposal to the government, to inspire, to rob him of the chance of non-existence.
It provides final authority.
It's not going to provide the control of the government.
On the contrary, it provides the deposition that they've been accusing themselves of being non-existent.
And then I said, we've got to get across the fact that the President has been in the top of the list, and so forth and so on.
He has a hell of a time, actually.
He loves to give them lectures and stuff, and he comes back to them and prays to God, and they all said, let's not pray.
And the asshole's right in the wrong place.
The other thing, the real thing, but I think she's over that.
We think of all this in the past tense.
He said, we had an agreement.
If we could, we would have done that.
We did that.
Rather than saying we have, we are.
He's got you in the first tense as if we were in a negotiation, not that we are in a negotiation.
Well, I think she has.
Well, it hasn't collided.
He tends to say it in that sort of sense.
No, I can't cancel on the basis of this.
Because none of this is going to happen right now.
I mean, this bill's about that I was standing at the right purpose, and it did that.
Henry does, is for something, but not to see one thing.
But in about a week, we'll see what we can do.
Hopefully it will be the same thing.
I agree.
It's probably better for one day.
I don't know, how does that work?
Okay, let's stop right here.
It works fine.
The danger is part of the solution.
That's right.
Then I think we've got to get the non-Henry types to step up.
I don't know if it's Christ or not, but we're closest to peace.
We've been at nine years of miserable war.
But this guy, for his cheap political gain, will snipe out at us if we don't believe him.
We can't criticize the settlement.
The settlement is so much better than anything we've created at this point.
So he has to figure it out.
You're talking to Henry Hall, mind it, too.
I don't know if you did.
But he called Hillary.
Well, at this point, he just found that that one was very good.
He wanted to call it in seven this morning for the nation.
So he did for what?
He sent her down by seven when he finally found out exactly what it was.
You've got to be careful.
I've got to be careful.
I don't want to get in the way.
I'm trying to do it gently.
I don't want to block it.
I'll see how that works.
I don't know if anybody else can do that.
Now I have it pretty well.
I'm trying to respond to it.
Going through it, before we end up, if we can leave this on the basis of the public impression that we are very close to a real settlement, on a very good basis, that there's still a little bit more to be worked out, and we're diligently working it out, and that we couldn't care less, politically, as to whether it's done on November 6th or November 8th,
We're trying to get it done, whatever day it gets done.
We're not just trying to get it all done.
I told Henry, I told him to piss on the Laotian settlement decision too.
I said, that was one that was made.
It was one, however, that's been violated and it's an exception.
And we've got a war on all sorts of things.
We don't want that kind of settlement.
We want one that will last.
I'm trying to say, it's definitely hard.
Henry doesn't listen to us at all.
So there, what we've got, these are important.
The major...
The points are settled.
The blind print needs a little bit more homing up.
The bad that can come out of it is the two bad that opposite.
One, that you will only settle when you've got your definition of how much you charge, or that you've got two commands for what you sell.
The other, which is even worse, is that you settle, or collapse on what you believed in under pressure from what you did not.
And that is no question.
We've settled.
Yeah.
At all.
It can't move.
None of us have.
That isn't going to happen.
The second isn't going to happen.
The first could happen.
The first could happen.
But the first, whether the first happens or not, depends enormously on how the thoughts go about entering the region.
The governor almost has to go that route.
He's already built his needs on that.
And in this desperate situation, with this now total lack of, I guess, maybe anything other than two things,
at all.
He's probably wise to throw the responsibility totally to the wind, in the hope that he can breathe enough of a disaster at some point to go back to over with that.
He can't do it, but he's been in trial for that or something, right?
He really is an industrial human on a desperate basis.
On that basis, the right thing for him to do
It's a blast the hell out of you today.
We're starting out with you.
We're letting him and Kissinger agree to sign the mail the very first.
And then come down and get a cell phone by Duke.
The problem is on the road.
Don't let them know it's very difficult.
that our side of it.
Henry's got good arguments.
you know we've been translating to say there's some ambiguity in some of the definitions that have to be clarified and there's a question about the implementation of the ceasefire that hasn't been clarified so that there's
a lot of shit like that.
Buchanan makes a good point in his analysis today, which is that there's not a blast on the direction and so forth of the spine yet.
However, that's fine.
You've got questions?
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
When I say we've done quick, I think that was good to do, so one, two, three times we had to do it.
Because we had to agree to reassure our allies that there was something wrong.
On the other hand, from now on, it is not our issue.
Now attack, attack, attack, attack.
We've got all this other shit to do.
I don't think he had this idea of shifting it to the rest of the business.
I would simply pass the stuff.
But I would simply go, if he keeps it up, I'd mark him there.
I'd simply remember that, you know what I mean?
If not those who made it, I wouldn't get into that.
I'd be picked up as part of what I would do.
To relate to what's happening now, scheduling the documents.
Yeah, we are.
No, I don't need one.
But I'm not going to do a farm speech this Sunday.
I don't think I will.
I still could.
I still can't find one.
I'll do the farm speech Friday.
But I'll do the farm speech Friday.
That's definitely it.
and lucky and frankly like a motor game on saturday or something you know they always have something that drops that when can they be ready
It's a hell of an issue.
That's my point.
It's a good issue.
It's important.
Let's go ahead on that basis and if we don't get it, well, let me say this.
I want to get the focus on the effects issue as far as I'm concerned.
I can't.
Other people can see.
I can't.
It depends.
The best thing to do is talk about it.
I agree.
Don't do it Saturday.
Don't do it Saturday.
You better do it on the Ohio challenge.
Give Ray an extra day.
For you, it's Sunday.
For you, it's next Sunday.
I think, yeah, I think so.
I have a problem.
I don't know when in Christ they can get it to me so I can see it though.
That's what I'm worried about on Saturday.
Yeah, I know.
I don't know where it is.
Well, money.
Let me go over where we stand in detail with them and all the events.
Yeah, yeah.
And by the time that I'm giving the subject, we've got to... Let me put it this way, Bob.
I am gassing around on all these domestic issues.
And it's not just because it's been important because of the...
But on the other hand, yesterday's incident was...
Yes, sir.
That was unexpected.
It's a...
bigger story in the post the washington post explained that mcgovern's he's he's on page four you're on page two and vietnam white or anything else it's not it is the thing where you dominate but it's the thing you can talk in your political story
And getting scored because of the Catholic school educator guy, you know, saying this is a puzzle.
It's a puzzle again.
Especially if it's another bang in the capital, which is good.
But there are teachers and great teachers.
So, not a bad way to do something.
I'm wondering about that television on Thursday.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, this is just raising the flag.
I think you should do it on a basis that you should.
Yeah, well, if anything happens on Vietnam, you should go on a presidential campaign.
Oh.
That's how it's going to happen.
It's not a problem.
It's something of mine that's going to happen.
We are now, however, because of this pandemic, we should see if we can check and sort it all out in the early hours of the morning.
We are now in a position where we can't settle.
Politically, a settlement before the Russian is no longer a problem.
Because now it's clear that they're the ones that are pushing for an early time, not us.
We're pushing for getting it right.
They're pushing for a speed.
Now if we move to speed, and we can still make our case that we've got it right, I think 80% of them will lose it by the time we go to the election.
Even if it's on the day before the election.
They've eliminated the problem that we had about the election, pre-election.
Thank you.
All right, I'm going to raise the money.
I'm very proud of you.
I'm going to pay you.
I'm going to pay you.
I'm going to pay you.
I'm going to pay you.
working on a little bit of whatever, right?
Nothing's going to sail behind it.
We've got to be trying to put it in a spot where we have everything we can choose to fly.
That we can serve, you see?
And we're training them, yeah.
and the mandate that we signed.
And they put out the whole agreement back to her.
Yeah, the police said we're not going to be bulldozed and blackmailed into signing an agreement that isn't right.
On the 31st, when we were going to get hired, Henry got in one hand and said, well, I want to be very gentle toward him and so forth.
He said, do you mind if I, he said, would you be all right if I were to stay?
And we didn't have another meeting.
We got to go.
We got to go to the meeting.
And I said, Henry, no.
I said, in fact, you can tell them privately that we have the agreement that then they can see our actions.
But a bombing hall was dynamized for them.
He said, he doesn't believe that.
He doesn't believe them.
He doesn't believe them.
Hey, this is not my kind of person.
It's for the American public to think we're going to get a bombing all the time.
They're going to go, screw that.
We're going to continue to bomb.
I didn't like bombing.
I told Henry that.
I said, Henry, that was a loser.
Well, if they didn't want to do that, then that's not the same thing that happens.
Well, it's not the same.
We have to do the cut.
We are negotiating.
Progress is to be made.
But, one of these things, how do we mop it up?
It's cold, Bob, so much for the last, last time.
He doesn't realize all the people that we've been doing this for, not one of us, that's over for us.
Or whatever it be for us.
Max Frankel.
After all, I'm not a goddammit.
He didn't talk to my mother.
And he didn't talk to me, of course.
He did talk to Bill Buckley.
And he did not talk to Bill Buckley, either.
He did talk to my mother.
I knew him again, that's what he said.
He talked to me.
He was white.
He was white.
He was white.
He was white.
He was white.
He was white.
He was white.
He was white.
And they are prestigious journalists.
They are.
They are.
They are.
They are.
They are.
They are.
They are.
They are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who sits in, Bob, in these morning sessions where you decide, you know, decide too early?
If you don't have it, what about McGregor?
You don't get his judgment.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, like, for example, the fact that, which is a good decision, that, for Christ's sake, get off those corruptions.
Who sits in?
Just before, are you excited?
No, we basically go over that, but we raise that at the 1850 meeting, which is the vote that, there you get McGregor.
Okay.
Thank you.
It's very good kind of arrangement.
You know, you've got to think a little about what you're doing.
His first reaction was always wrong.
He said, get the hot flashes, get the hot flashes.
That's what I did.
And he said, you know what they're saying.
He said, no, but it's obvious what they're going to say.
You make a fight.
Dead or alive.
It's not bad.
It's not bad.
Now there was a call, a caller, a caller wanted me to call the guy in the Ministry of Citizens' Revenue to tell him something.
I thought we could check that out.
Suggestions on the basis of the $500, $500, $500, $500, $500, $500, if major progress is made.
which was the president's goals, the release of all field objectives, ceasefire, and a non-communist, preservation of a non-communist government, would you approve that you make the president to order the bombing of the North Vietnam while the negotiations are still in process and before they are completed?
while the negotiations are still in process.
While the negotiations are... You see my point?
I want this, or should he continue the bombing?
Or should he continue the bombing until the settlement is finally agreed to?
If making progress is being made,
The negotiations are now being held by the United States.
Major progress has been made, yet major progress continues to be made for achieving the President's goals.
And, uh, it was from a combination of three parts.
Rough and active, you know.
Yeah, it's lovely.
It's corrupt, yes.
It's, uh, uh...
I can't screw up that much, even based on theory.
I've shared a few with the Kansas International, but I can't see that people are going to say, well, minority communities are not going to support us unless they want to support us.
You know, this shows that North Vietnamese don't like terrorism, though.
The North Vietnamese are settling with you.
Nobody's
I didn't see it that way.
Yesterday he said he was worried.
He was asking if there were any polls coming out that would give them a chance to win.
Because if they talk about it, they might try to beat us.
There's no possibility of any poll in the first place.
Gallup was out today with 23.8 for us.
Harris won't be out until next Tuesday.
And we'll see if he'll show more than a two or three point drop, if he shows any drop at all.
And there will be no polls after that until the day before election day, and by then it's going to be ran out of the committee about the polls and so on.
So we said, oh, it's okay then.
Then he said, well, I'm afraid they may try to instruct.
And I said, Henry, from my viewpoint, and so now as a political director,
Anything they do will increase the presence, but including a successful assassination attempt on two, including a massive bloodbath inside Vietnam.
I don't know about that.
I don't know about that.
I'm sure the government people or the nationals will put up a show.
I must say, it's our total unquestioning because of the children.
That's why he's not at work.
i don't but it isn't totally it's not no it's not a lot that's surprising a lot of people just know
The base endpoint is still in your driving line at 50 minutes.
It gets down to it, but people don't know whether we know where to go to or not.
All we know is we've got to get this gun in and settle, and they are confident that we are doing that.
And if you know what you're doing, you'll settle on the right.
The way you'll shatter that nothingness is only by the one thing you obviously wouldn't do, which is to make a bad settlement.
Or to rush into the settlement without checking it out and then having to put a bad ad in.
It's too bad they're doing all that.
Probably.
Probably.
Scalp report is the most important thing on this.
They should really put themselves through a few questions.
I hate to report it.
We've done this before.
It's history, it's not what we're making right now.
Thank you.
That's right, we don't have them.
We don't have them.
Hey look, the crisis goes a little further.
Pigs, cows, wheat out here in the town.
We're going to use a single unit motor if they're dropping them.
We're not going to pay any value to the candidates.
They are little towns.
You've got a bunch up there, 16,000 people.
And those, you're going to...
People drive through it, even going in and walking, they should get through town.
I'm not saying I want to pay for the drivers and that kind of thing, but if they see a little girl with flowers, God damn it, stop.
I've had to get through it.
And after that, I report it and say, actually, God damn it, I'm out of flowers.
Unless they have a lot of hectares around.
If somebody's out there on the road or something like that, you must stop on them.
You must do it.
It's a nice thing to do.
Sure.
What you can do is stop, thank you, and then just roll on in.
You don't have to stop on the track.
You can make your track stop on that, and that's fine.
No.
You won't want to use it, but you can try it.
They've got a thing now that's sat on your car.
There's a microphone in the lid.
So when you're standing up, and you say stop, Taylor can hear you say it.
While you're standing up, you say slow down.
There's a microphone.
You won't be able to see it, but it's mounted in the thing there.
And they've tested it, and they think it's going to work.
So try it, and protect the car.
It's an open microphone.
You don't have to push any buttons.
You don't look down.
We'll show you where it is.
You look down at the microphone and say, Taylor, stop.
Taylor, speak up.
Okay.
Unless there's a huge crowd growing along the right line.
It's not those huge crowd growing times that you want to stop.
Those just go on and on.
The Chicago, another case.
Miami, as soon as you go back to the two-phase, that's there.
Because in a short, six or eight block, where you have a standard set pace, and you're having to move the heavy, it doesn't matter if you're going to the one, speed up.
You don't have to hop up, you just have to hop over the hell of an advance.
So you might get stuck in that situation.
Hell of a lot of things here.
There are a few cases where we can plan to do that.
What we'll do, I think, is put the band out half a block ahead instead of right in front of the car.
Right.
And if it's half a block ahead, that gives you a half a block of elasticity and you can shoot up close to the band or sag back a little bit.
See demonstration.
You can spin at your distance until the band keeps going.
Never stop.
All right.
I think we've got to put all of it in the head.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
So that is that it gets the press up so they're watching you.
So that when you stop in there, they can get out of their buses and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where you are and get up to where
Then we don't have to have the bikes.
We have five trucks.
I know there's too many in Westchester, which is ridiculous.
And then they were forming a solid wall beside me, so the old people on this side couldn't see me, which is another problem.
And they did jamble up with giving what they could.
Well, you've got that.
You've got to keep them out of any trouble.
I don't think you're up for it.
I don't think it makes that much of a difference.
Just try, try, and push forward.
You can't put the goddamn ropes out in the street.
What do you think?
I just feel it.
I mean, I agree with you that this crowd's working around us, and it's been hard to get the car moving.
You never know when something like this is going to be there.
You get a little kid knocked down.
I'm gonna, with a little bit of power, you could easily kill them, but I'm a mathematician.
I'm gonna find where we can launch them so that it's not in front of my house.
And, if they're off on the side of that, they're off on the side.
You know what I'm saying?
You've got these this side that you can get yourself.
And then move to the other side.
I want them to move from side to side.
You know what I'm saying?
That's a very good idea.
I'm proud of that, but don't have that search around the clock.
I don't know if you should be able to come.
Too dangerous.
I don't know if you can hear the noise from the stage, but I don't know how far.
Scali is a guy, one of the most technical, light Scali.
Scali tells the truth.
Scali tells the truth.
Scali tells the truth.
Scali tells the truth.
Scali tells the truth.
Now, you've got to keep everybody, of course, in the security of the state, too.
I'm excited and emotional about, you know, the last two weeks in the campaign.
Everybody's been good.
You know, we've definitely lost, you know, more of our good colleagues.
And, you know, there's something to start with.
But, you know, I think the department needs this.
Great events all over the world.
Great events all over the world.
Great events all over the world.
Great events all over the world.
Great events all over the world.
Great events all over the world.
I'm not sure that would be the best thing.
I don't think so.
And I think it's terrible.
I think we can turn to this and see what we can do.
What is your feeling at the present time on that?
Now, I'm tired of the hat and the sabbatical and so on.
Yeah, what was the location of that?
What?
Is that a share?
Well, it's not.
On the account of this one.
Okay, go back and check that again.
Okay.
26.
That's New York, 26 on five channels.
Yeah, it is.
Is there something wrong with that?
Let me see.
We got a...
figure of 34 on this original New York boat tonight.
Then when it came down, it ended up at 16 or 17.
I think they got a share rate mixed up.
They got a 30 share value.
Okay.
Focus on it.
Okay.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Let's see if you can get it on.
Okay.
He got a great attack and here we've got an agreement that assures the return of the PFF.
That's totally discredited from the government.
He just kind of gave them away.
If you're trying to trick them on a photo, say, sit there, and I'm sitting there in the back, and you put it back in that box, and I'll just, I'm going to draw on that photo.
I'm trying to put that in the same place.
Right here.
The security is blocked there.
You just want to take off this front portion, and I'll get rid of it.
The energy may not be enough, unless
I guess his approach is so bad that they all know that they can't even make one good product out of the other one.
You can grab it and bring it to the store and sell it online.
And then there goes some shadowing inside, back to bottom, back to bottom, back to bottom.
That's a smoke in this bed, popularly in this country.
And, uh,
Why do you make the issues?
What do we want to do?
What do we want to do?
What do we want to do?
What do we want to do?
What do we want to do?
You want to think welfare?
Yeah.
I'm going to tell you so.
Yeah.
I love your show.
The welfare people like.
And the street.
The Vietnam.
The Vietnam.
The Vietnam relations.
The Vietnam.
Now, then you've got Congress.
Blessing.
It's not cool.
Or just cool.
It's not.
Proportion.
It's not.
I don't think the fence is going over all of them.
But they didn't even cut it up.
I was standing and working a lot with them.
And one worker, I think, was doing the right thing and hurting the fence plants and all that.
It's the wrong thing to talk about, but it's the right thing to do at the end.
So they had it for me, and I thought it was a good thing.
I thought it was a good thing.
All right.
Or I'm not very open.
Partly because I guess this is where I'm supposed to manage things.
Maybe though I just want to just, you know, I just don't know.
You know, it's just impossible to explain.
I'm not in the news campaign.
So it might be a lot more of a question.
I suppose the reason, to my knowledge,
Partly not on the marathon, but right now because we can't get the marathon drawn on.
And I don't think we can.
You know, we did a hell of a job yesterday and I don't think it's worth a thing.
You know, I mean, from right here, there's no particular place we've got to put a sign for that.
I don't think it's a good idea to sign.
I think we did as well as we could do.
And I think it was the right thing to do.
And we got as much out of this program again, but we didn't get it all gone on.
We didn't get any busters, you know.
and establishing our base, which we need so that we can show.
I agree.
It's not our issue.
That's my analysis.
That's my analysis.
First of all, it hurts our fundraising and our party workers.
It's a problem that has been, and we've been getting a little shocked yesterday with the defense, the denial of business.
And I think that's very difficult.
Secondly, it does not hurt us at all.
In the lower middle class, we do not attack sections of urban population.
And that's our swing vote.
Those are the people we've pulled over that we should get in line with.
And this doesn't make any difference to them.
They don't know what it's about.
They don't care about us.
They're concerned about amnesty or abortion.
Third, it hurts.
With the upgrade comes suburban submissiveness.
It's soft on the people.
who are our regulars, who are our babes, and we can just let him go.
And he thinks it's enough with them to think that St. Jason is a giant boat that's in the earth and automatically goes to that boat.
And the same danger that you have.
Look at it that way.
The hurting of our fundraising party workers is probably not relevant.
The president doesn't have to get out of the swing boat, that's for sure.
So then you've got to look at the problem, I mean, which is our upper terminal of the swing.
So this is the problem there, and it may apply to the degree of a little nervous in the lower middle class types, too.
There may be a problem with the appearance now that the president is hiding
from all this stuff, and that he doesn't stand up for himself or for his people.
And we've got to look at that question, and there's a nebulous interrelationship being in this thing.
It goes to the character type of stuff, rather than to the specific charges.
And it relates not just to the water, but to the whole scandal shot that the government went into last night, where they went back on identity, and we, the carpet manufacturer, and a lot of stuff that, in itself, was meaningless, but in its totality, it's an assorted picture of what happened.
What are you doing with him last night?
He's not sure if he can get a solution.
I don't know if that's a problem.
All right.
There you go.
There was some talk about the problem.
Mikey was the thing last night.
There was a segment on that where he went through this...
lifting of things.
It was quite effective among people who might be doubting just to give them a name to show that none of those entries matter.
It's all the line stuff, all the line items.
You gave them $1,000, $100,000 and got their suit dropped.
Part of the people gave $380,000 and they dropped their safety equipment.
The people that didn't tell them where they were going to find it, they were going to send them out of there.
God bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you.
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Bye.
Thank you.
about that.
It was a lot of fun.
I don't know what the verdict is.
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Thank you.
Our issue is better, it's more good for us than it is good for him.
And it's more good for us than any other issue, and it's more good for us.
Any other issue of this problem, any other level of it?
Thank you.
Thank you.