{"conversationCode":"375-011","tapeNumber":375,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-375-011","startDateTime":"1972-10-26T16:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-26T16:49:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:40 PM","endDate":"26-Oct-1972","endTime":"12:49 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On October 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:40 pm to 12:49 pm. 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McGovern's plan\n                -Duration\n                -“Peace is at hand”\n                -Settlement deadline and the 1972 election\n                -North Vietnam\n                     -October 8, 1972 concessions\n                -The President's May 8, 1972 proposals\n                     -“Peace with honor” compared with “peace with surrender”\n                -Translation of Vietnamese statement\n                     -The President’s view\n                     -Coalition government\n                -Future meeting\n                -Coalition government\n                     -The President’s opinion\n                     -Concessions\n                -Economic aid\n\n                  -Possible press coverage\n                      -“Peace is at hand”\n                           -McGovern\n                  -Questions on bombing\n                      -20th parallel\n                  -North Vietnam\n                      -October 8, 1972 concessions\n                  -Nguyen Van Thieu’s role and strategy\n                      -National Council of National Reconciliation and Concord\n                  -Murrey Marder’s question about timing of settlement\n                      -History of negotiations\n                      -Threat to peace\n                      -Kissinger’s response\n\nZiegler left at 12:49 pm.","filename":["375-011.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"375-010","nextCode":"375-012","transcript":[{"start":14.11,"end":23.04,"text":"related to the path that a person needs."},{"start":23.5,"end":29.74,"text":"Well, if you make the point, you're exactly right."},{"start":29.76,"end":32.5,"text":"Or you don't start a case, and the case is going to make the point."},{"start":42.05,"end":50.98,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":131.39,"end":135.47,"text":"dedicated that we allow whether or not it's a translation."},{"start":288.68,"end":292.16,"text":"That's the thrust of the brain."},{"start":336.47,"end":342.44,"text":"All right."},{"start":430.8,"end":433.74,"text":"Two years ago."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler consulted on media strategy regarding the ongoing Vietnam peace negotiations and Henry Kissinger’s recent public claim that “peace is at hand.” They discussed how to frame the potential settlement in light of the upcoming 1972 election, contrasting Nixon's goal of “peace with honor” against the alternatives proposed by George McGovern. The discussion also addressed the administration's concerns regarding the role of a coalition government, the specific concessions made by North Vietnam on October 8, and managing press inquiries about bombing campaigns and South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu.","topics":["Vietnam peace negotiations","Henry Kissinger","1972 presidential election","Peace with honor","North Vietnam","Coalition government","Ronald Ziegler"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:25:49.004Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-peace-negotiations","henry-kissinger","1972-presidential-election","peace-with-honor","north-vietnam","coalition-government","ronald-ziegler"],"audioDurationSec":455,"audioFiles":[{"file":"375-011.mp3","bytes":10915003,"durationSec":454.73,"bitrate":192024,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.876Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:29.209Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/375-011.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/375-011","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/375/conversation-375-011","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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