{"conversationCode":"377-013","tapeNumber":377,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-377-013","startDateTime":"1972-10-29T15:03:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-29T15:07:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Oct-1972","startTime":"10:03 AM","endDate":"29-Oct-1972","endTime":"10:07 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On October 29, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:03 am to 10:07 am. 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(President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"377-012","nextCode":"377-014","transcript":[{"start":1.53,"end":7.66,"text":"Well, hello."},{"start":7.82,"end":15.75,"text":"Hi Henry, how are you?"},{"start":15.79,"end":20.66,"text":"Hope you got a good night's sleep, good sir."},{"start":20.9,"end":22.9,"text":"Ah, well, it didn't show, it didn't show."},{"start":22.92,"end":23.2,"text":"Where are you?"},{"start":23.22,"end":23.66,"text":"Good, good to see you."},{"start":23.68,"end":24.28,"text":"We've worked it out, you know."},{"start":24.3,"end":25.8,"text":"I'm going to do a little briefing and I just talked to Amy."},{"start":31.11,"end":48.59,"text":"We don't want to use the big gun to kill this man."},{"start":48.62,"end":52.04,"text":"I'd say 10, go ahead."},{"start":52.06,"end":52.32,"text":"That's right."},{"start":52.34,"end":53.46,"text":"Absolutely good, good."},{"start":63.5,"end":79.76,"text":"Yeah, well, are we getting that knocked down enough?"},{"start":79.86,"end":80.52,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":81.22,"end":87.71,"text":"I've got to hit it hard today, myself."},{"start":87.73,"end":91.5,"text":"And if you can get Buckley to hit it, some of the right wing, like,"},{"start":94.45,"end":106.18,"text":"Joe, Joe Alsop, Joe Alsop, and he was in California."},{"start":106.38,"end":107.5,"text":"And, uh, Dick Wilson, you know, quite a few of the ones."},{"start":107.52,"end":108.67,"text":"Just so they're recognized by the coalition, I told them."},{"start":108.69,"end":109.57,"text":"They asked all of them the same thing."},{"start":143.28,"end":162.62,"text":"Or the writing kind of thing, I don't know."},{"start":162.65,"end":163.33,"text":"Crafts, I don't know what that is."},{"start":163.35,"end":163.49,"text":"Crafts."},{"start":163.51,"end":163.65,"text":"Crafts."},{"start":163.67,"end":163.81,"text":"Crafts."},{"start":163.83,"end":164.29,"text":"I don't know anything."},{"start":164.31,"end":164.61,"text":"I know nothing."},{"start":164.63,"end":165.31,"text":"All right, let's get back to that."},{"start":172.83,"end":185.47,"text":"Just say that we're going to make, that we want the right kind of a summit."},{"start":185.49,"end":186.11,"text":"This isn't just ending the war."},{"start":186.13,"end":191.15,"text":"We've ended the war before."},{"start":191.17,"end":201.24,"text":"We want to build it and win the peace."},{"start":201.26,"end":201.38,"text":"Right."},{"start":201.41,"end":201.53,"text":"Right."},{"start":201.54,"end":201.66,"text":"Right."},{"start":201.69,"end":201.82,"text":"Right."},{"start":218.48,"end":218.99,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed strategies to manage public perception and media support regarding the potential conclusion of the Vietnam War. They focused on leveraging influential figures such as William F. Buckley and Joe Alsop to shape the narrative within conservative circles. Nixon emphasized that the administration's goal extended beyond merely ending the war to achieving a lasting peace through a successful summit.","topics":["Vietnam War","Public relations","Media strategy","Diplomacy","1972 election"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:31:14.594Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","public-relations","media-strategy","diplomacy","1972-election"],"audioDurationSec":219,"audioFiles":[{"file":"377-013.mp3","bytes":5256880,"durationSec":218.96,"bitrate":192067,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.876Z","transcriptGapSeconds":53,"transcriptGapShare":0.24,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/377-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/377-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/377/conversation-377-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}