Conversation 378-007

TapeTape 378StartTuesday, October 31, 1972 at 11:56 AMEndTuesday, October 31, 1972 at 1:05 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Kissinger, Henry A.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On October 31, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:56 am to 1:05 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 378-007 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 378-7

Date: October 31, 1972
Time: 11:56 am - 1:05 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman at 11:56 am.

        The President’s conversation with Nelson A. Rockefeller, October
        31, 1972
             -Rockefeller’s demands
             -Vietnam negotiations
                 -Hanoi’s recent statement
                     -Reaction
                          -Henry A. Kissinger
                          -Ronald L. Ziegler

        Vietnam negotiations
            -Henry A. Kissinger’s October 26, 1972 press briefing
                -John A. Scali
                -Coverage of points
                -Use of phrase “peace is at hand”
                    -The President’s view
                         -Scali
                         -Progress

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Kissinger entered at 12:15 pm.

        Vietnam negotiations
            -Hanoi’s recent statement
                -Analysis
                -Reaction
                     -Tone
                     -Progress
                          -Right
                          -Left
            -Left
                -North Vietnamese request of US to sign settlement
            -Hanoi’s recent statement
                -Analysis
                     -State Department
                -Hanoi’s view
                     -Anguish
                     -Betrayal
                          -Nguyen Van Thieu
            -US position
                -Politics
                     -Build-up and let-down
                          -1972 election
                     -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam, coalition government
                -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
                     -Kissinger’s proposal
                          -Tran Van Lam
                          -Public relations
                               -Los Angeles, Orange County
                          -Lam
                               -Military Region [MR]
                     -Analogy to Soviet Union troops in Poland
                     -Enforcing settlement
                          -Infiltration
                          -Soviet Union
                          -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
            -Terms of agreement
                -Details
                -Intelligence reports

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                      -Rockefeller
                 -Coalition government
                 -Intelligence reports
                      -Saigon
                      -North Vietnamese
                      -Seizure of territory
                           -Timing
                 -[Unintelligible]
                 -Pull-out of North Vietnamese troops from South Vietnam
             -US military action
                 -Pull-out of North Vietnamese troops
             -Kissinger’s media and press relations
                 -Possible backgrounder
                      -Max Frankel
                      -Unknown person’s recent commentary
                      -Frankel, [Arnold] Eric Sevareid
                      -John Chancellor, Howard K. Smith
                      -Howard K. Smith
                      -Tone
                      -1972 election
                 -Kissinger’s recent meeting with Hugh S. Sidey
                 -Television networks
                 -New York Times
                 -Richard (“Dick”) Wilson
                      -Recent column
                           -Possibility of earlier settlement
                 -Possible backgrounder
                      -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                      -Settlement
                           -Timing
                               -1972 election
                                    -Politics
                 -Casualties

Kissinger left at 12:26 pm.

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       Vietnam issue
           -Poll results
               -The President’s positions compared with to George S.
                 McGovern’s positions
                    -Bombing halt
                    -1972 election
                         -Announcement
                         -McGovern’s recent TV appearance
                    -New York Daily News
                    -Bombing, mining
                    -Political settlement
                    -Post-war reconstruction
                    -Withdrawal of military personal
                    -South Vietnam
                    -Bombing halt
                    -Settlement
                         -Timing
                    -Corruption
                         -Sabotage charge
               -George H. Gallup
                    -Corruption issue
                    -Protestants, Catholics
                    -McGovern strategy
                    -Florida
                         -Tallahassee
                    -Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans
                    -Colorado
                    -McGovern support
                         -Democrats
                    -Vietnam issue
                         -Post-1972 election effect
                              -Negotiation status

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Haldeman left at 1:05 pm.

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That was still carrying me a lot.
You see, the whole trouble was, he always saw it and he backed off with the others, right?
He realized, that's my son, he didn't want to mess with me.
And he messed with my great buddy.
No, he didn't.
He covered up some money, he didn't.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you.
So now we've got the idea of the dilemma.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I think that we'll see how this plays out.
I would prefer to have your thing done.
Right.
And I get the background.
But you've been out.
There are.
The whole thing, the whole thing could be good.
But I did not.
I didn't do that.
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No one's going to do you a favor.
They don't know what I'm going to do to you.
They don't know what we're going to do to you.
But I know that they're asking you this time.
And you are going to do this time.
So you're obviously not going to do that.
You are going to do this time.
You are going to do this time.
You are going to do this time.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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So is that what you're doing?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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All right.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.