Nixon, Kennedy & Bull on Nicaragua earthquake and Humanitarian aid

The trip can be done, and it can be done in one day, which is probably preferable.
So, rather than searching yourself and the government, you can arrive with an order.
So really, if you wanted to go down and say 8 o'clock tomorrow morning, you'd be down here by, say, 12 a.m. tomorrow, spend about three hours on the ground, meet an enemy.
Somoza had his triumphant government at the airport.
He had a drop that tried to set up and have Somoza come to you, probably in three places at least.
There is a...
four square miles went up.
That's really, you know, they had to help us.
No, sir, we, pardon me, yes and no.
We had to send down two helicopters.
There are two helicopters down there that are engaged in other activities and we've heard from their activities to accommodate them.
Why do we have to send them down?
The helicopters we had sent down, we had to be able to respond to this.
We talked to a couple of sequence service agents, and they had it.
But you can see, you fly over the devastated area, fly to a refugee center, which is outside of the city where they're still transporting people, fly back to the city area where we have the, what do you call it?
The hospital.
That's there.
That's your place.
It's like a military health combat hospital.
And then we can go over to the ambassador's residence, which is acting as the command center for the U.S. aid program.
At that time,
We'll use that as an opportunity to make comments before our press pool will take witness.
The press pool will take witness.
Of course, this press, again, we're concerned, representing the government of the United States of America, with quite a number of deep concern
we might be able to fly down a large wing with a symbolic load of food.
Food?
Food.
Like milk or wine.
The thing is, they don't need medical aid.
Well, they don't.
No, they're getting enough medical aid.
Like money, doctors, money, nurses.
Yeah, money, medical hospitals, medicines like that.
And then he tells me how it's smoothed up into black gluten.
Well, it is so fine.
Here's the first load.
More to come.
And we have the word that there's only several hundred thousand pounds of it.
The other thing we should do now is we might be able to get a field hospital.
It's a tense evening.
We're getting to realize that we need the help.
We continue to struggle to keep it where supplies are and there will be more.
We might have another symbolic gift of some tools for the town.
Tools that we need to rebuild the city.
following, suggesting that there's more to come.
This is representative of the U.S. concern.
And we've deployed about three o'clock in the evening, probably four and a half hours.
But the pressure is on changing.
Getting back from the South Pole by nine o'clock.
Sure.
And it's getting there.
There are, of course, some other considerations.
On an annual day, before it gets picked, we consulted with the ambassador.
We finally got through last night.
About three o'clock at the moment.
And he recommends a visit to his son in Bethlehem.
And why does he recommend a session in Bethlehem?
He says that he believes in symbolism, concern, good neighbor, and all that sort of thing.
Now, what are the negatives?
Some of the considerations that he's done are negative about the law.
Maybe they're...
The way I envision this thing is it seems to be in a manner of
to much of those concepts.
Well, generally, it's an amount of the Wilkes-Barre trip and Mrs. Nixon's Peruvian visit.
Yeah, the general concept of it.
The difference to an innocent Peruvian trip is that we're still within the action disaster time.
We're concerned with secondary, tertiary, perhaps even higher treasuries.
We can trust for the devastation and for the loss of lives.
There are, well, of course, people are leaving the city, but there are still bodies, and I guess there are still some people who might be alive in the buildings, some of the collapsed buildings.
You know, the investigation has supposed to actually get to the devastation area more than possible.
The only refugees that are with the staff
People are all headed towards the other one right now.
But the one thing that occurred to me last night was the president spoke towards the initial reaction.
Perhaps I'm a minority in this thing, but it seems that the president must be being what they are.
And so you might look at it as somewhat of a gimmick.
but more important, misconstrued, distorted, so the emphasis would be not on what is truly a humane, humane argument, a humane, straight, and just kind of word, but not in general.
No, sir, not at all.
They were historians, and the emphasis would be done on humanitarian justice, showing that certain people did grow up, but they were known to get numb activity, tying into that with my good old money, so it could be counterproductive.
But what they're likely to do is add a follow-up, which I think is really important.
You can't allow them to get numb activity.
when I started my final job, so they just take me on the street.
Oh, yeah, that's all right.
I just didn't want to bother all of them.
We were there on vacation.
We'll take that.
Dick had basically the same reaction, although I just gave it to him.
I stressed, or I just outlined for him what your objective was.
He came up with virtually the same assessment of what the press wanted to do.
Yeah, so this is, this is the thing, and I think people feel that it's a good idea to take a mandatory effort, but I can't speak a lot about it, but that's good.
We'll screw it up, but it might be less so a little later on after the dust settles and we'll figure it out as well as literally in Nevada.
In view of that, we might have an option, sir.
Yeah.
Yeah.
John Scallop, Ambassador-designate to Nicaragua.
The purpose of the meeting is to review what is transpiring in Nicaragua.
Nicaragua will be able to assess what needs to be done, and your new person will designate John Scallop as your new personal representative.
So we expect the new members of Nicaragua to go down to perhaps take a shot at a wedding.
One of the goals of what is being done is to come back and report
Following the meeting, we put Scali up here and stopped her from the press.
I think we expressed the presence of team members in this entire matter.
Underline what has been done, what you have done.
In fact, Scali's going down as your representative.
I think Scali might be a good choice in this area right now.
In this recent nomination right now.
In fact, we've received a favorable press meeting.
And, uh, since he is not yet, uh, he's not yet set up to go, it might be a good way for him to get his feet wet.
We can trust him in the international scene.
But that's, that's, that's an option.
It might be the most effective way.
Don't have scallops.
You might have scallops.
Have some scallops.
I know he's content.
He doesn't have any plans.
Basically, the whole thing is similar to similar to that.
Well, they can say, why are you worried about the cities of Nicaragua?
We're not worried about our inner cities here.
But I know that I'll go to the last floor.
But it was just a consideration.
I'm going to look at cities.
There's another point.
I wonder whether your first visit to Latin America, to the South African continent, would have been the best one.
I suppose it's the best one.
It's the last thing that's on me.
I wasn't trying to be too big.
I was trying to get the value.
I was trying to think of the scale.
I don't really think there's a hell of a lot of scale that you can do.
We're all done here.
I'm already doing it.
The ambassador period was rather, I guess, a touch of all this.
I'm going to go there.
I'm going to respond to his name.
Really, we can't do that alone.
We need the hope.
We need to do that.
I don't know why I'm concerned.
Maybe the situation is there in such a state.
I don't see it happening.
As most of us, what I'm concerned about is if you just go right over to the place where the telephone is, that's it.
I don't trust them.
I don't trust them.
I don't trust them.
Well, the most devastated area is dead center of the city.
The rest of the country is all dead center.
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and put together a summary of what's been done in the construction process now.
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I mean, that's probably the question.
Or is it just a conclusion chart?
I'm very welcome to call.
This sort of thing, this massive scale over time, you need somebody who mobilizes the private sector.
And I got one of those as well.
So there's a whole narrative that they never gathered.
Second, they don't have really the capability to do the kind of things we're talking about, bringing them right across.
Our girls, you know, they're hunting things that can be done here in the business sector and the rest.
The state only works in the government things fairly well.
And after, after we, I mean, if we decide it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense, based on that.
And that had him just, it made him just...
I don't want to say it at all.
Yeah, I don't need to say it.
But what I do want to do is to...
They've got a whole big list of stuff there.
I want you to just call them and say it.
But it's not going to be anything.
I don't want to be misunderstanding you.
I went through him.
He will be in charge.
He's not in charge at all.
He can't help it.
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Oh, yes, you just tell them.
We would like them right now, but we can't work with them.
We can't get all the logistical things on the short notice at this time.
I mean, we're looking to see if we're going to be able to find one.
Actually, we want this there.
We want this there, sir.
Right?
Yes, sir.
Certainly, sir.
for doing something later, but it must be on a people-to-people basis.
I might consider doing something later, but, you know, a one-day trip.
But don't talk about running on top of a one-day trip by somebody.
We'll get our own man down there like the Williams.
I think, Steve, that, uh, I'm certainly, uh, probably, uh, uh, I'm going to work, uh, here today.
And, uh, but I don't want to, uh, you know, accept the people that I call, and if I'm called, you know, I'm going to speak to them, and I'm trying to, uh, and, uh,
Well, thank you.
Good job.
Good try.
May I do it next time?
Appreciate the president.
Appreciate the fine job he's doing.
Keep up the good work that we're trying to do.
The president's personally taking a great interest in this.
Trying to coordinate our efforts.
We may think of something
One of the reasons the idea appealed to me was that in the Christmas season, almost any activity that has to do with the humanitarian support, second place, so this Latin America, there's hardly a damn thing they can do except this kind of thing.
And so the symbolism of that means an awful lot.
But we're at it.
And that's why it's going to be for a hell of a long time.
I think the question is, I don't think the idea of time is a good word.
I was going to say, I don't know if I can say it, but I've seen it here.
I'm going to get a message today.
All right.
In response to this.
What message?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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In the case that I've drawn from the October understandings, as modified, the textual, the electrical, the cycle, and the conditions, I say that I've outlined them in the message here.
We're not going to go into too much detail.
We're going to go into a little bit more detail.
So they can turn it down.
They should, they should investigate it.
I got a call about eight nights.
And the very thing is, you know, it's very almost exactly the same as what they had told us earlier today.
A private issue.
No, but, uh, but, uh, based on what I should have, uh, presumed well, I think it was when we talked about step, step back from the situation, and not separate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
On the other hand, uh, that situation was not what, what I was, what I was referring to.
On the 18th.
On the 18th.
Which, which I don't know.
Well, there, there, before we presumed the bond, you know,
Yes, but what they mean is, of course, the situation of what happened to the body.
you know what you see the spot that we're on
The noise level is enormously greater than it was a long time ago.
U.S. flag or U.S. Army carryout.
All right.
I think most of that, at least two of that,
I think it's very good.
I think it's a matter of, I agree.
I agree.
Going down, I agree.
Going down, I agree.
The problem is, what the hell happened?
That's what I was referring to.
The word problem.
The message is true.
It's extremely clear.
There couldn't possibly be any misunderstanding of what they said.
I think
and just be sure that you get all the information right and everything is called off.
I can't say bombing in the battle area is going on.
Just so people realize that this was served.
Even though they made it clear at this time that this was not a policy they were going to back off.
It's just the pressure on the water and the pressure just alive.
And it's a sort of summary of the driving of the dog.
So it's a total source of stress.
And none of that is going to play very well, of course, in the first place.
And I'm sorry about that.
It's important to have the facts.
Actually, uh, I could, uh, clearly, clearly, a lot of what I did when I saw that photo here, I thought, you know, why is this, why is this picture, this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture, why is this picture,
I had I had I had erections
Really?
that somebody made a statement to them.
We're going to forward this whole concept.
All right.
All right.
Exactly.
We did it.
But we're not a band.
We're not a band.
We're not a band.
We're not a band.
We're not a band.
I'm not sure what they're geared up to handle, but we'll see.
It's not going on today.
Mr. Pearson also died this morning.
uh, we, uh, put, uh, another city where we're going, uh, just now.
We've got the two of you?
Yes, sir.
Uh, only one of us is important.
The other two are, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the other one is, uh, uh,
Before that, great.
We had those appointments and, uh, yeah, great.
The, uh, the, uh, the game against, uh, uh, uh, seven artists in all areas, uh, five, five, and five artists in their home, and that's it.
Well, no, sir.
We're going to have, hopefully, another brief.
That's correct.
That's correct.
Why is it so fast?
Yes, sir.
The SAMS tool was built by the Russians to attack the people.
Right.
And it's just not very good.
Yes, it is.
It's faster.
It's faster.
They're hoping to get to 260
The weather is fair.
They did get something yesterday.
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The number of samspires in the last 10 days was lower than any other pretty disappointing month, which is the highest month of the last two last months.
The aircraft themselves
The problem I see, putting myself in their position, is that they are going to be setting it up so that we can go back and talk to the conditions.
Well, first of all, he told them was, we should either just go back to
conditions prior to December 18th provided that they received the conditions and the scenario would be like that.
So they had to come back and say, yes, we've relapsed, and then we'd rest for a few minutes and then we'd say, oh, we need to take it back.
And that's what we should do.
We have to make sure that we have the conditions.
On the other hand, whether they really went for it, I don't know.
And I'm sort of excited to hear that it seems to me a little early.
I would have guessed that they were able to get over it and sweat out what they're doing.
On the other hand, there is no question that it is Aeron's, at least, a massive assault.
I'm sure they're going to see that and they're going to have trouble.
They've evacuated and we can't tell them if they're going to be here or not.
They've evacuated much of the night.
It's just like two or three months from now they've hit the doorstep.
And, of course, they're going to get back to us.
They have geared up their team all the way down the line and all the way down into the canneries of South Vietnam.
Of course, these guys
They were just testing.
And they found out that they didn't.
And he met it, and therefore they went away.
I think they have.
I guess if we give them the impression that we do not, then I think the impression is well on us.
I can't say that the experience of my age is very similar to that.
If they did not, I would ask, why would they wait and spread it out for another two or three weeks to see if the international pressure goes up?
And if our own international pressure goes up?
Yeah.
Why would they, if they're going to get seen now,
They are.
Thank you.
They're there.
They arrived.
They're still there.
They're having trouble getting out.
I don't get those people in particular, but that's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to be ready for that to happen.
I'm going to have to do it when I'm ready.
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Thank you very much.
He has all of the time.
Get his tail down there right away.
Present personal representative.
It was a situation that the President should have received some message from the Lord about what I'm doing.
It's 4 o'clock there now.
We're looking at the interior right now.
So he will go meet them and they'll give him a response.
But they tell the people in the back, it's not a condition, it's not a practice.
They always say, in this case, of course, we have reiterated precisely the same conditions in each message.
And they make, they make the practice happen.
The really fundamental point is
I think the latter is not too bad.
I think that's possible simply because of the way they've done it.
Because of the way they've done it in the past, even if they didn't believe June 4th through the game, when they had serious doubts as to what he could do, they could more or less reinforce their view and case by leaving another recording.
And seeing what happens both in the international scene and more particularly on the Congressional side of things,
Well, of course, we have strengthened production.
I guess that would, I don't think that's the case.
There might be a moment where the reason for suffering is all in the way of what is going on.
What is it you're doing?
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Either for yourself.
I just have a feeling that he'll find a way.
and give him the basic
to build the kind of political support he needed in the country, and anything along that line.
This was probably the move so quickly that he doubted he really believed that it was going to happen.
And he delighted with it.
And he found himself not having built a federal record as a strongman.
He'd never lived the kind of political base that he needed to have to operate in the political regime of the country.
You just can't build a general race.
An election, you know, if you go all year, you have to go.
It turned out to be a charade because it was under too far to share in the law.
You know, he had no opposition.
He had no...
Therefore, he had no one to build a political party or a political race.
And he never constituted a criminal judge.
Basically, he was a cease-fire institution in which there was some sort of political settlement.
He would manage to press directly into the political arena fairly early on, not necessarily himself, but some sort of a political movement, which would represent the choice between a government on its own, and an executive that's in the race.
Meanwhile, he's pioneering the movement, moreover, throughout the country.
The government itself, in the bureaucracy, has been restructuring itself, reorienting a number of its activities, aiming to that.
So, it may well be that it's now had enough time
He had himself mentally and intuitively adjusted with a little bit of all of it.
That's speculation, you know, but he had himself changed just like that.
And if, basically, without possibly misunderstanding,
All right, I suppose that that's wrong.
I suppose that the guy in the back here, go ahead.
How do we do it?
How do we put it to him?
Put it to him before?
I'd say publicly first.
I think we have a problem again because I didn't tell him.
Otherwise, it would be terrible if no one knew.
We have to know what's important.
I suppose he said something like this, though.
You see, I think while Henry can't give this away, we have to have him back in position.
If he doesn't go, he doesn't get to go to the other side.
Therefore, we'll draw him.
Well, that is right.
It's a bad deal, even if they say yes.
But on the other hand,
That could be the problem.
That could be the provocation.
They turned that into a fountain.
I cannot imagine any right-minded individual saying that we didn't have the right to go back there and do what was necessary to bring those people back.
We stole the grass and cut that down.
And we used that as a perfectly clear, a perfectly clear way of any doubt.
I don't know.
However, that's life.
I just say, you know, a couple of things.
I just want to make sure.
A really hard question is going to be a pretty hard question.
What they do is they create what we consider in the minimum conditions for us.
The real fight is how do we get them to say yes.
That's what we try to have them do.
And again, he doesn't understand that.
He doesn't understand that.
He doesn't understand that.
But again, I've got to go for another gun.
I've got to go for another gun.
I've got to go for another gun.
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The question is, in the case of the race, in this trial, can we be conscious of what we're doing?
That's the problem.
That's the real question.
I'm sure there's a lot of people who have a small state of mind.
So, the problem with that, if they do that,
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
probably by the law, but could be shocking as well.
The reason that it's the reason, the reason for the fact that it's getting the message along, that's going to be less likely and less more likely in the key phrase, in the quality of the arrangement, properly.
And it must, the most measure of support, of course, we have all of us.
And that would be, I suppose, the goal.
I think that's what it's like.
I'll get back to that.
That would be it.
I'll leave.
I'll leave.
I'll leave.
I'll leave.
I'll leave.
All of this would argue, of course, that the reason was not silly.
He gets everything.
He gets all of us taken.
looking at it at its worst part uh true everything we fought for but also uh god only also
to save themselves.
So the United States, for over 10 years, has done everything we can to actually do everything to help save this country.
We went on May 8th, and you know, it was just on July.
We went again on December 8th, and just before we were all inaugurated.
And then, given the result of all that, she said, well, I'm going to go and tell Vietnam, and I should publish.
We still have a pretty viable position in the world.
In other words, the separation exercise in the world has been really the earnest money, as I see it, for demonstrating that the United States should stand by its commitments.
But we can't stand by it when we have an unabsolutely unreasonable subject
support.
Right.
That's right.
We're going to have it December 18th.
Also, I don't know if you've met this, but we've had this fully intended to enforce the terms of social security against any
And that was something that suggested to her that she would say, well, I'm sure that she would believe in me in doing this.
But the trouble is, it's different to being mad now when the situation has not changed, than it is many months later when the situation has developed over time and then something happens and the decision has to be made.
It's a very different problem.
And it seems to me, if you just feel it that way, that has an effect upon this thinking.
I don't really have anything to say in relation to this.
This event is important.
There are some.
There's no doubt of that.
It's easy.
And this event just requires us to give them the opportunity to sign.
We'll talk to you.
If they break the law, we'll fix it.
There's no question.
And they've now lost, again, the work of three years in the world.
Three years.
They've lost all that again.
Now, if they hadn't done it, and that's the way it seems to me, the response that they've gotten is that we have a very strong influence on the nation.
Certainly, in the circumstances, it would be the worst time for you to do that.
You should do it before the business.
You should do it before Congress comes back.
You should do it before the Constitution.
It's a very difficult matter to me.
So that kind of decision today, in fact, she may want to dispel this notion that there is an existence of so many important systems.
But he decided that she would not respond to all of them.
The importance of silence.
And that is the importance of the game.
If I were making a choice, I wouldn't see any choice.
And I would be building the case to prove what a good job I have done in bringing things along to a point where I understand what he went wrong.
I don't see it.
I don't see that being said in that kind of way.
The word goes off the block.
Yeah.
Yeah, if you don't let us do it, I can make a second case.
As far as he's concerned, he's judging that off in terms of the people in the South.
They're still there.
They're not worse off because they're still there with no understanding that they're not going to start up the military.
There's no ceasefire in all the military.
today, no ability for us to intervene.
It is supported in the event that we do.
No threats against the North.
They can start up with that.
But they might get the hell out of here.
Your question was filed.
The question I said, it would be bad in the event that we can't do it.
It would be
However, however, I believe this is an area that we have to be in in this kind of situation.
To have a crystal clear ice cream is still a possibility, but at least we bring up the issue, which will increase the will on all sides to be an effective one that moves us forward and stops the war.
then it stopped.
It stopped acting.
I still think it's never stopped.
But, if we had such a thing, and there were others who did, it would require that way.
It would require that way.
I hope so.
Certainly there would be some difficulty on the other side of the argument.
They had a meeting.
I don't know.
Whatever.
That's the tragedy.
Americans are not people that like ties.
there, as far as the anonymous percent, 70% of the people themselves are going to be under a non-communist government who otherwise would be under a communist government.
So we stopped it there.
That's true.
That's true.
But on the other hand, in terms of war, in terms of the American black and white
That's what he said, and if it was a mistake, they would want to repeat the mistake.
And, you know, say, if I got a post in the middle of the gang, there's the argument.
That's what he said.
And so the agreement was to be ironclad, where it became a horrible violation, and all that sort of thing.
And so they both moved.
And so he said, okay, I'm going to start modeling again.
I understand, and we have to do it, but I'm just saying, I don't think you can do it.
You can do it in all of these ways.
A clear-cut, genuine reaction.
I would think of something else.
Unless the order has changed its sponsor, it doesn't matter.
If it gets itself so enamored of what's been on the construction line, supported by anybody else in the party, it's just important that it's supported by an assortment of members of the party.
If that's going on, I don't think you're trying to be pleased with all of that.
I'm becoming used to it.
Recognizing for what it is, assuming it ends, that someone's about to leave.
Now, in that case, to play a little game, something doesn't really get out of hand, a fast, surgical, very clear cognitive response.
Why do we have to stay in the plane?
be enough just to hold the situation.
And that has to be our strategy.
And we'll dispatch dispatch, which, of course, the word I expressed under the campaign, but I'm going to give it to all of them now.
to wind up the situation.
The real situation would be a great problem.
We are so estranged from each other, somehow, from something that we walk on and leave it.
It won't happen.
It won't collapse in a month.
It won't collapse in six months.
It won't collapse in a year.
It will collapse indeed, it will.
And then people will say, it really was all for nothing.
for 10 years and 10,000 iron bars.
What?
Precisely what it was before we started.
Except they just might stick their chest out and say they're healthy.
It's not fun.
It's just, they're crazy.
I don't see anything that would play out or matter for them.
So, uh, it's a long story.
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Uh-huh.
That's, that's a part of the estimate.
It's a public way of doing things.
That's because of my last one.
That's a romantic private life.
And it's not very different, really, to what's wanted to be said on Sunday.
Slight variation in the way it's been phrased in the session, the same message.
Why do you think they knocked off the governor's office?
Well, I mean, it's just to break the pressure and stuff.
To work the bag on us.
We are not meeting.
But they never said, they were breaking up.
They simply said, close the boat to another day.
That's what they said.
It was requested.
Therefore, it is necessary that we close the boat to another day.
They said like that.
Just close the boat.
Never break the boat.
So they're putting the pressure on us to stop the line and to resume the course.
And since we've always put the pressure on them, a lot of the conditions are in which we do this.
It seems to me they get the right kind of advantage, but if they move, the conditions can be set.
So I hope they have the right kind of advantage.
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Nixon, Kennedy & Bull on Nicaragua earthquake and Humanitarian aid

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