{"conversationCode":"380-013","tapeNumber":380,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-380-013","startDateTime":"1972-12-28T17:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-28T17:39:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Dec-1972","startTime":"12:35 PM","endDate":"28-Dec-1972","endTime":"12:39 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Scouten, Rex W.;","description":"On December 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rex W. Scouten met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:35 pm to 12:39 pm. 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(President)","Scouten, Rex W."],"prevCode":"380-012","nextCode":"380-014","transcript":[{"start":0.18,"end":15.31,"text":"Hello."},{"start":15.33,"end":15.55,"text":"Hi, thanks."},{"start":15.57,"end":16.55,"text":"You know, I know you've been talking about plans."},{"start":16.57,"end":17.11,"text":"Here's what I have in mind."},{"start":17.13,"end":17.63,"text":"I already think about it."},{"start":17.65,"end":18.5,"text":"You know, even I agree with you down here."},{"start":47.62,"end":66.17,"text":"Oh,"},{"start":77.76,"end":98.74,"text":"They don't have the information."},{"start":98.76,"end":101.68,"text":"Well, my view is that rather than having, putting a damn big installation on the little thing down, close it a little bit, that it doesn't matter."},{"start":101.7,"end":102.46,"text":"Just have the alley and then upstairs."},{"start":102.48,"end":102.92,"text":"One, two, three, four."},{"start":102.94,"end":103.55,"text":"And put it on the third floor."},{"start":107.54,"end":129.33,"text":"put up a very gorgeous table on the bed."},{"start":129.35,"end":130.57,"text":"It goes up there and expands the bath and so forth and so on."},{"start":130.59,"end":130.95,"text":"How would that be?"},{"start":130.97,"end":131.95,"text":"See, you've got the water and so forth down here."},{"start":131.97,"end":132.55,"text":"Yeah, it could be done there."},{"start":132.57,"end":133.57,"text":"It could be done there, as a matter of fact, then."},{"start":133.59,"end":134.05,"text":"And then, I don't know."},{"start":134.07,"end":135.06,"text":"And, uh, put it in there where it would be handy."},{"start":135.08,"end":135.18,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":135.2,"end":135.9,"text":"Well, I suppose we'll go down here."},{"start":135.92,"end":136.32,"text":"Let's go over there."},{"start":145.91,"end":171.23,"text":"But I didn't want to say in terms of what you do down below, but I think just the one strength of voting, as I understand it, is voting for the tribute."},{"start":171.25,"end":173.45,"text":"Now, that would require, for example, organic changes to be done in the air condition, and that sort of thing."},{"start":173.47,"end":174.09,"text":"I know that I don't receive it."},{"start":174.11,"end":175.43,"text":"Even when I use this bulletin, I don't change each dollar an hour."},{"start":178.13,"end":188.88,"text":"But if we had this down here, this is convenient enough."},{"start":188.9,"end":189.99,"text":"You just take the elevator down and walk to it, right?"},{"start":190.01,"end":190.11,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":190.13,"end":190.67,"text":"And you don't need showers."},{"start":190.69,"end":191.21,"text":"You can go out and shower."},{"start":213.5,"end":222.85,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with White House Chief Usher Rex Scouten to discuss the logistics and potential modifications for a new facility installation within the Executive Office Building. The two men evaluated the practicality of placing the installation on the third floor versus a basement location, considering accessibility and necessary infrastructure upgrades like air conditioning. 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