Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 380 › Conversation 380-015

Nixon alone in his EOB office on Second term reorganization

Thursday, December 28, 1972 · 12:39 PM–2:20 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 8 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President)Conversation380-015 on Tape 380StartThursday, December 28, 1972 at 12:39 PMEndThursday, December 28, 1972 at 2:20 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 380-015 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon dictated a memorandum to senior aides H. R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman outlining his strategy for a second-term administrative reorganization. The discussion focused on expanding George P. Shultz's role in economic policy, tax reform, and trade, while also addressing the need to integrate departmental perspectives into a streamlined executive structure. Nixon instructed his staff to coordinate with Roy L. Ash and William E. Timmons to ensure that congressional and political considerations were effectively managed during this transition.

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all right
Also, we have to recognize that the economy is a complex community, and I'm exposed to that communication, and I'm effectively pushing each other to go at it.
We're all engaged in that field, so we're engaged in the conversation in the other part of the world.
Thank you very much.
I saw the federal law, which was inherent in the evolution of trade.
It brought up the issues of national law and trade policy, which I am somewhat familiar with today.
I realize that
I have an absolute perception that there is a lot of ability in our approach here to narrowing the variation there.
All right.
of the professional and political experience that we've had in this world so far.
That's what I just avoid.
I think you're going to hear something.
And we're in the last part.

NARA Description

On December 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:39 pm and 2:20 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 380-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 380-15

Date: December 28, 1972
Time: Unknown between 12:39 pm and 2:20 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President dictated a memorandum to John D. Ehrlichman and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

      Second term reorganization
           -George P. Shultz
                 -Conversation with the President
                        -Location
                              -Florida
                 -Role as Assistant to the President
                        -Office of Management and Budget
                 -Economic policy
                        -Administration spokesman
                              -John B. Connally
                 -Conversation with the President
                        -Tax reform, trade policy
                              -Treasury Department, William E. Timmons, Ehrlichman
           -Departmental views
                 -Henry A. Kissinger’s option papers
                        -State Department, Defense Department, Central Intelligence Agency
                         [CIA]
                 -Ehrlichman
           -Shultz
                 -Views on tax reform, trade policy
                        -Treasury Department
                        -Ehrlichman’s and Haldeman’s role
                              -Congressional and political perspective
                 -Staff meetings
                        -Ehrlichman, Roy L. Ash
                        -Ehrlichman
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                             Conversation No. 380-15 (cont’d)

                             -Timmons
                                  -Congressional relations
            -Counsellors
                  -Representation of agencies
                  -Views of bureaucracies in Departments
            -Instructions for Ehrlichman and Haldeman
                  -Forthcoming conversation with Ash

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 380-015, December 28, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/380-015 (accessed October 10, 2026).