{"conversationCode":"380-017","tapeNumber":380,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-380-017","startDateTime":"1972-12-28T17:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-28T19:20:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Dec-1972","startTime":"12:39 PM","endDate":"28-Dec-1972","endTime":"2:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On December 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:39 pm and 2:20 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 380-017 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 380-17\n\nDate: December 28, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 12:39 pm and 2:20 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President dictated a memorandum to John D. Ehrlichman.\n\n      Welfare Poll\n           -Family Assistance Program [FAP]\n                 -Aid to working poor\n           -Charles W. Colson\n           -Louis P. Harris\n           -Albert E. Sindlinger\n           -George H. Gallup\n           -Question\n                 -Guaranteed minimum income\n                       -Welfare families’ income compared to working families’ income\n                             -Federal Government’s role","filename":["380-017.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"380-016","nextCode":"380-018","transcript":[{"start":0.25,"end":5.75,"text":"since I realized that it would be under compression."},{"start":85.74,"end":106.25,"text":"There are 10 of us in the United States."},{"start":106.27,"end":106.99,"text":"We're not a lot, but I do have jobs."},{"start":127.39,"end":145.43,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon dictated a memorandum to John D. Ehrlichman regarding the political and public perception of the Family Assistance Program. The discussion focused on evaluating welfare reform strategies, specifically the balance between guaranteed minimum income for welfare recipients and the earnings of the working poor. Nixon directed an analysis of polling data from George Gallup, Louis Harris, and Albert Sindlinger to refine the administration's messaging on the federal government’s role in social welfare.","topics":["Welfare Reform","Family Assistance Program","Guaranteed Minimum Income","Public Opinion Polling","Federal Policy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:36:58.716Z"},"topicSlugs":["welfare-reform","family-assistance-program","guaranteed-minimum-income","public-opinion-polling","federal-policy"],"audioDurationSec":184,"audioFiles":[{"file":"380-017.mp3","bytes":4424923,"durationSec":184.23,"bitrate":192151,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.876Z","transcriptGapSeconds":39,"transcriptGapShare":0.21,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/380-017.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/380-017","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/380/conversation-380-017","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}