{"conversationCode":"380-038","tapeNumber":380,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-380-038","startDateTime":"1972-12-28T20:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-28T21:00:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Dec-1972","startTime":"3:45 PM","endDate":"28-Dec-1972","endTime":"4:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On December 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:45 pm and 4:00 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 380-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 380-38\n\nDate: December 28, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 3:45 pm and 4:00 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Rose Mary Woods.\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -Items to work on\n                  -Helicopter flight\n                  -Robert Gray","filename":["380-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"380-037","nextCode":"380-039","transcript":[{"start":0.25,"end":23.73,"text":"All right, but don't do it."},{"start":28.26,"end":50.89,"text":"No, I've heard."},{"start":50.91,"end":51.29,"text":"No, no, no, no, no."},{"start":51.31,"end":51.63,"text":"Leave them here."},{"start":51.65,"end":53.24,"text":"I thought they were, I remember you just told me who they were in front of you."},{"start":53.26,"end":53.96,"text":"I thought Bob Grant said something."},{"start":53.98,"end":54.1,"text":"Right."},{"start":54.12,"end":54.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":54.24,"end":55.62,"text":"Well, leave them here, and I'll put, I'll see what I can do about it."},{"start":55.64,"end":55.94,"text":"No, I've heard."},{"start":55.96,"end":56.42,"text":"Keep them there, folks."},{"start":56.44,"end":57.88,"text":"Keep them there, and I'll look at them when I get back, when I get back."},{"start":69.71,"end":71.36,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, discussed administrative arrangements regarding the President's upcoming schedule and specific documentation. The pair addressed the logistics of a planned helicopter flight and the handling of materials related to Robert Gray. Nixon directed Woods to leave the documents in his office so he could review them personally upon his return.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","White House administration","Robert Gray","Executive travel","Document management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:39:05.282Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","white-house-administration","robert-gray","executive-travel","document-management"],"audioDurationSec":76,"audioFiles":[{"file":"380-038.mp3","bytes":1829404,"durationSec":76.08,"bitrate":192366,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:44.876Z","transcriptGapSeconds":46,"transcriptGapShare":0.61,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/380-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/380-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/380/conversation-380-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}