{"conversationCode":"380-039","tapeNumber":380,"conversationNumber":39,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-380-039","startDateTime":"1972-12-28T21:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-28T21:15:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Dec-1972","startTime":"4:00 PM","endDate":"28-Dec-1972","endTime":"4:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On December 28, 1972, Henry A. Kissinger and President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:00 pm to 4:15 pm. 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(President)"],"prevCode":"380-038","nextCode":"380-040","transcript":[{"start":0.25,"end":26.24,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":26.26,"end":26.38,"text":"Hello."},{"start":26.4,"end":26.46,"text":"Hi."},{"start":26.48,"end":26.72,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":26.74,"end":27.3,"text":"How's the weather out there?"},{"start":27.32,"end":27.42,"text":"Good."},{"start":27.44,"end":27.9,"text":"You're in Palm Springs?"},{"start":27.92,"end":28.02,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":28.04,"end":28.6,"text":"Yeah, we have a house there."},{"start":28.62,"end":28.68,"text":"Oh."},{"start":28.7,"end":29.1,"text":"That is nice though."},{"start":29.12,"end":29.66,"text":"You've got some fine taste."},{"start":29.68,"end":29.79,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":37.21,"end":65.1,"text":"When he said he just gave me a brief sense of color."},{"start":65.12,"end":65.24,"text":"Right."},{"start":65.26,"end":65.54,"text":"No conditions."},{"start":65.56,"end":65.68,"text":"Right."},{"start":65.7,"end":65.82,"text":"Right."},{"start":65.84,"end":66.56,"text":"Now the question is, how about time?"},{"start":66.58,"end":66.94,"text":"Today is Thursday."},{"start":68.64,"end":92.33,"text":"Is that their understanding too?"},{"start":92.36,"end":92.45,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":92.48,"end":93.52,"text":"Yeah, I just want to know what the understanding is."},{"start":93.54,"end":93.66,"text":"Right."},{"start":106.43,"end":132.14,"text":"As the public announces at 10 a.m. Saturday."},{"start":132.16,"end":132.64,"text":"Oh shit, I just wanna..."},{"start":138.74,"end":162.22,"text":"Well, I see no reason, no reason to do it otherwise."},{"start":162.24,"end":162.7,"text":"What are the arguments?"},{"start":162.72,"end":162.98,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":163,"end":163.9,"text":"No, no, no, I wouldn't exchange any messages."},{"start":163.92,"end":165.06,"text":"Because basically they have accepted our proposal, right?"},{"start":165.08,"end":165.78,"text":"Our proposal was that we would call"},{"start":172.8,"end":192.95,"text":"So we will be keeping our word."},{"start":192.97,"end":193.61,"text":"That's all I want to be sure of."},{"start":193.63,"end":193.83,"text":"All right."},{"start":193.85,"end":194.05,"text":"All right."},{"start":194.07,"end":195.07,"text":"What do you suggest we should go back to all this?"},{"start":212.37,"end":218.28,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":252.67,"end":270.64,"text":"So that's the 10 o'clock public announcement, 10 o'clock Saturday morning."},{"start":270.66,"end":270.86,"text":"All right."},{"start":270.88,"end":271.08,"text":"All right."},{"start":282.35,"end":306.5,"text":"But you've got to tell them."},{"start":306.52,"end":306.98,"text":"They already know that."},{"start":307,"end":307.11,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":307.12,"end":308.15,"text":"So basically you have so many announcements, right?"},{"start":308.17,"end":308.37,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":308.39,"end":308.85,"text":"Horrible announcements."},{"start":308.87,"end":308.99,"text":"Right."},{"start":309.01,"end":309.91,"text":"And then they'll say, what about the bombing?"},{"start":309.93,"end":310.61,"text":"That's what's currently happening."},{"start":310.63,"end":310.99,"text":"You know, bombing."},{"start":320.42,"end":334.92,"text":"okay but at least"},{"start":348.74,"end":375.75,"text":"The point is, as we know, we couldn't blow the bank, but we didn't do it because, goddammit, there's nothing else that can fly at this time of year."},{"start":375.77,"end":376.07,"text":"Well, let's go."},{"start":376.09,"end":376.27,"text":"Right on."},{"start":376.29,"end":376.85,"text":"We're gonna make a new bank."},{"start":385.29,"end":401.07,"text":"uh you"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger coordinate the timing for a public announcement regarding the acceptance of a peace proposal, finalizing a Saturday morning deadline. 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