{"conversationCode":"380-043","tapeNumber":380,"conversationNumber":43,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-380-043","startDateTime":"1972-12-28T17:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-28T19:20:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Dec-1972","startTime":"12:39 PM","endDate":"28-Dec-1972","endTime":"2:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On December 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:39 pm and 2:20 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 380-043 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 380-43\n\f                                              -30-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 380-43 (cont’d)\n\nDate: December 28, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 12:39 pm and 2:20 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President dictated a letter to Douglas W. Downs.\n\n       Instruction on sending letter\n\n       The President’s appreciation for Downs’ gift\n            -Sculpture, the “Tinker”\n                  -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n                  -Timing\n                         -Christmas\n                  -Downs’ letter to the President\n                         -Tone\n                               -The President’s second term\n                         -The Presidency\n                         -Admonition\n                               -Metaphor\n                                     -Wind, clouds\n\n       New Year’s greeting\n           -Mrs. Nixon","filename":["380-043.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"380-042","nextCode":"380-044","transcript":[{"start":0.25,"end":8.89,"text":"I'm going to put you down."},{"start":8.91,"end":9.85,"text":"It says that you can't carry this money around."},{"start":9.87,"end":10.47,"text":"So I'm going to send you down."},{"start":10.49,"end":11.14,"text":"So don't send this money around."},{"start":11.16,"end":11.68,"text":"I'm going to put you down."},{"start":77.27,"end":78.71,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":120.4,"end":122.33,"text":"1-3-4-3-4"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon dictated a letter to Douglas W. Downs to formally express gratitude for a gift, a sculpture titled the “Tinker,” received by the First Lady during the Christmas season. The correspondence addresses Downs’ earlier letter, acknowledging his reflections on the presidency and his metaphorical advice regarding the political climate of the upcoming second term. The President concluded the dictation by including New Year’s greetings from both himself and Mrs. Nixon.","topics":["Douglas W. Downs","Pat Nixon","Second term","Presidential correspondence","Sculpture"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:39:34.673Z"},"topicSlugs":["douglas-w-downs","pat-nixon","second-term","presidential-correspondence","sculpture"],"audioDurationSec":149,"audioFiles":[{"file":"380-043.mp3","bytes":3576048,"durationSec":148.85,"bitrate":192191,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:45.213Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:30.082Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/380-043.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/380-043","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/380/conversation-380-043","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}