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Well, expect about 11.30, huh?

Yes, sir.

I didn't see that question.

I mean, these headwinds, if you get in the water, slow down.

Oh, this way, yeah?

Okay, that's right.

That's right.

The, uh...

I'm aware of the fact that you've got a very dark situation to deal with.

And this is my fault.

It's very important that I will keep him under control.

I must not.

It's a hard role for you, but from now on we can't blame you.

Because, let me say that I've been, I've given a great leeway on certain things for the time of that, except, you know, I don't know, I don't know how to handle it with me and so forth.

And I have to do it my own way.

But the difficulty is that it's in a highly emotional context.

And it's not the best.

In general, it's not the best.

I think it changes, too.

And he does not think through everything.

I mean, he comes in with options and all that, for example.

But in his instance, his views are going to be too often colored by what he was trying to do in terms of making the record of his own association look good.

the favor of anybody else's children, anybody else's children.

That's exactly what he's thinking about here.

Well, we've got to keep this in mind.

And he went as well.

I know he made a mistake, but it's the first time that I've been subjected to a serious mistake.

My wife and I are being oppressive

because, he pressed it because, and he also knows that he's pressed it over the objections of everybody here.

And all the advice that was given, as you, well, you know all of them, you know I do, I said, don't do it.

He sent a letter to me, it was the same thing, a couple of hours ago, we were there, when I was there, and when she was a psych out of that thing, a couple of birds fell, and she told me, she told me,

It's all right.

It's not that early.

I mean, it's not a fatal thing.

That's exactly right.

But for example, you don't launch anything on a orbital mission without knowing whether you're going to get back there or not.

That's the reason we've got to wait one minute.

In the last context of an agreement, that's one thing.

Yeah.

The context of a spill was that one.

That's right.

My decision on that was in the context of an agreement, which we would then say to them now, here it is.

Now we're going over a development agreement, not even knowing what we're going to get, where Q would be in a position to say, well, if you get this, this, and this, I'll sign.

And that we cannot have.

We cannot put... Agnew does not have the confidence or the knowledge...

to negotiate with Q, or to even talk with Q about what the hell ought to be in an agreement.

We can't be in a position where Q said, well, if you could get this, this, and this, and give them a whole bit of protection, and then go back to the impossible situation with an R&C.

That's the thing we've got to get through on this thing.

We don't even have an example.

The thing about Agnew's Agnew's mission, and a lot of other big moments, what the hell is he going to tell Q?

I think Henry's principal motivation in there is there is a fear that June will start to see fire and again provide a all-you-have-to-reach for cancer pressure and the scale of AIDS that they're installing now.

But that doesn't have to be an active mission.

That isn't part of the plan.

It seems fine.

We just haven't met them in a while.

It seems fine.

Don't you think so?

Before I had a 44-hour one Christmas day and a 42-hour one New Year's day.

Shouldn't we get that to them right away anyway?

I really think, sir, on the whole, I think we know pretty well what we want to do.

I certainly think on those things.

I don't agree with having to pay more than a 24-hour Christmas day a year.

So let's put that down at one.

but on the whole range that we were going to say we discussed in the morning.

Right.

And I used to feel the same about putting the mind in.

Really, Steve?

Yes.

That's a big step.

It's a hell of a big step.

It's going to be 120 days.

And I think it's linked to the decision that you're going to want to take on the bond.

If you don't do the decision you want, you don't want to take on the bond with you.

We can't go let those mice run off.

No, they won't die.

It takes 48 hours from the time we say go.

If we wait until tomorrow morning and we consider that, I know it costs us.

It costs us.

It's a minor problem, but it's a pretty strong signal that we're going to stop bombing them.

And it could result in some shoot-downs and some battles, air battles, as well as fighting against missiles.

And it could be interpreted as a protective reaction.

It's the same thing.

I don't know.

My point is, though, why do it in a half-assed way?

Every scenario is a half-assed approach.

It's not a damn thing for the North.

It doesn't mean anything to the North, apparently.

That's the other point I was going to ask.

If it meant something to the authority, I could see it.

But it doesn't.

It's not a goddamn thing more to get done.

We've gone back to smithereens.

So, therefore, if we're going to do that, I mean, I would rather do it.

I don't believe in doing something that just looks as if it's a receipt.

It's too light.

It's too light a gesture.

I agree with that.

But he didn't .

He resented the fact that we questioned that gentleman.

Yes, and I .

Or have you been through this before?

No.

You don't feel better?

No, I don't feel better.

I would be glad if he was asking for help.

I know that there are all these options for what an agonist should do, what can be outdone, what can be done in the worst case, afterwards.

Good.

We want to have a think about that.

This is the best way to do the living now.

As these companies fall, we're not sitting there talking about growing up.

Where do we go from that?

After all, that's the other thing, too.

You've got to forget the Italian woman story.

You've got to forget it.

We've got to forget what is the piece of Rogers and all the rest.

We've got to say, now, what the hell do we do now?

Forget whether the piece of Anthony was right or wrong.

Doesn't make any difference.

And it happened.

And maybe it's a matter of judgment.

Who knows?

My word?

That's it.

But now, not having worked, the thing to do, we've got a present situation.

And Henry must not just tear himself apart.

We've been through some of the same things we've been through.

Right.

and worry about the goddamn thing because why didn't they come along?

Why aren't the Russians, the Russians, et cetera, getting ordered and why the Indians didn't do this and that and the other thing and why we couldn't say this or that?

Well, what the hell?

Everything always doesn't work.

I said, I mean, they won't remember it for as long as they held me there.

Who cares?

As the race has been held, we've got to focus on the gun all the time.

And so we must never look back.

But we've got to look back at his case.

The purpose of my own visit is to be sure that you know what we know.

that from now on, every recommendation he makes is suspect.

Suspect.

Only because the emotional factor must be fused out of it before we consider it.

Because he is in an emotional state of mind.

And it doesn't mean that he won't get over it.

It doesn't mean that some of the recommendations won't be of the quality of which he's capable.

But I can sense...

over the past, well frankly over the past month now, is there's not been, there's not been an even-handed quality of stuff.

And I know Ron is, he's going through a hell of an emotional experience.

And he thoroughly expected to get to the last week if he'd have a 7-1-2 tonight.

And today he would be able to play a win if he didn't.

Right?

That's the way it is.

And it's very hard that one bad thing is, you know,

Well, that's why having the NFC called mediocrity is bad.

We had to do it because of the weaknesses of the state.

But it is bad mediocrity.

The diet says there is no mediocrity.

I do think that there was a better shape than it was three or four weeks ago.

I was very upset when the Wi-Fi connected from Saigon to New York, which we just had to get back.

When you were with me, I was here in Saigon, and I sent you two messages.

It was a very bad period.

That was followed immediately by a Palacios interview, which was irrational.

What about the back of the ocean?

The back of the ocean, yeah.

It was all about the back of the ocean.

Yeah.

When he had gone to Saigon.

Let me come again now.

Separate out the side.

You went first.

Yes.

After our parade.

Right.

You came back.

And I brought me this.

He went there the week that he came.

Remember he came back from that.

Then he went along the side.

It was right in the heels.

Then I went.

After he came back.

To regroup him first.

When he came back from Paris and we had a draft agreement, and we went right off the site.

Right off, hoping to go on and on.

We were going to go on to Manila.

At that time, he and his real problems were two.

And he was at the same time, remember he sent two messages to Manila telling them to accept the agreements.

And they caved up to whatever she could do.

Right.

In order to turn off the bombing thing.

We stopped him, but he did turn it off in the middle of the plane.

I don't know if that's something they wanted.

I'll get over here and I'll talk to them.

Where was I?

I was there.

You were here.

You came back from San David.

We went over to this message and we decided to stop the bomb.

We know who said that.

We know who stopped the bomb.

We were very upset after that.

We accepted the compromise.

Well, that's right.

That's when I said we could not stop the bombing.

He felt stopping the bombing would be a good thing for the peace, for the election, too.

And I said, no, Joe, I remember that very well.

But even then, we shouldn't have compromised on our own.

That was a hell of a mistake.

I suppose he had already eluded, but then he agreed.

Because of what he had agreed with Manoa, I guess we had to do something.

I can see that.

All right.

Then, then he came back later.

The next round was what?

By that time, he had came back from Manoa.

We came back and then I went over.

And the head foreman decided she was so tough that we had to have another round.

And I tried to get some changes.

And I tried to actually reverse the mistakes in the original draft.

You went over a deadlock.

And I went over and changed.

It was really tough.

Just the fact that we were making the changes that we were going to try for in the second round.

That ran all through all of us, all of us.

That was like Henry's first mission.

Knowing what we did on those back channels.

They had him go first.

We were done with the event, that might have helped.

Well, Parker said that there's that very need to go to a room and go to a room before they get sold.

And then there's the relation of mistrust and trust fear.

You say trust fear, but I don't know if that's the right word for it.

I think it's the first one, trust fear.

Yeah, trust fear.

in him and in me.

And he was talking about it very clearly yesterday in that speech.

He was talking about it and listening.

Yeah.

The other one was the president of our trust group, the president.

He was the president of the group.

The president of the group never said a word.

And he suggested that he not call them from their trust.

That's my statement of the month.

Well, it's kind of easy to do.

It's custom.

There is also a lot of custom.

With a lot of those prayers and that kind of thing.

It makes a lot of sense.

And of course he succeeded.

Every time we asked him what was the thing that he wasn't afraid of, what the state was doing, you know, the free movement, corruption and all that, he always just ignored it.

I know.

Well, he probably should have been there.

He would be sympathetic about that.

He succeeded in that kind of attack, which he was still pursuing.

I mean, we all went back down there.

Now we come to the point where it just goes away.

What are you going to do?

What the hell is that going to do?

Huh?

Resignation?

I don't know.

Sully's not going to do it.

I was a damn mindless time.

I wasn't about to get rid of it.

I had the disgrace of all that for everything he'd done.

But God, as close as we have, and as far as people are concerned, hopefully it's going to work out one time.

Of course, he would talk about it.

You should buffer him off a little on that one.

You could say that on the other hand, it's just totally ridiculous, and we can erase it.

This is going to work out, and we're going to see this thing through tough, but we want to be sure we buffer everything through, and reduce our mistakes to remember.

When you came, but when he came back from his second, from his mission through

It was after he came back from Saigon that Hanoi went public, wasn't it?

And then Henry made a peace of hand statement the week before the election night.

and check the message we received from Hanoi saying they would be willing to meet a certain day.

We heard we got that at Greensboro three days before the election.

Right?

Yes, sir.

That's when I was getting confidence that we were going to have a settlement.

Yes, sir.

Oh, fortunately, and they just lucked, went there and got their heads.

It's very fortunate that I pulled back a piece of their hands they had in my version of speech where I said, we will wait a little, wait a little.

I was going to say, I can't remember what you all were saying, but that's a very boring pair of sentences.

He didn't, and he realized, he said,

What happened to him?

He just, he just slept on it.

You know, one of the main points of that is because we've seen a man with a helpless mind, and I know, always be cautious, always be self-confident, and very careful with, and very careful on his language, and watching everybody else's language, always.

He was the best man.

Well, I, when I saw, I, I saw it in the evening, starting at night.

What you're saying?

I said, well, I don't know what the center is.

I said, well, you've got all those plates up here for you.

I said, totally.

Hungry.

It was too often.

I said, sure, that's a technical part of the person, but I said, sure.

I said, well, I don't know what the center is.

He told me to be embarrassed and not to push that thing.

To stop and pull back and wait for the move.

He said, choose to do it.

Don't above all have a settlement before the election.

And he overplayed that precedent.

And then as a small sign, the bellagio came.

Yeah, and the bellagio came.

And that was, how did that happen?

Did he see her in the office or out there?

I was in Saigon.

The day I got back from Saigon, he said, I'm seeing you.

You were in Saigon?

I had just come back.

That happened.

I was set up while I was away.

And then he came in and he said, I have an appointment with Mr. Balanchine.

He said, this is before the election comes.

All right, go ahead.

And, uh, then he had it, and I think he messed up his points.

The door was closed on the other end.

When I wanted to stay in the country, somebody wanted to have me on this other, this other shift there.

Well, Frank's right over here.

And, uh, the county governor wants me to do this, and I'm doing it.

No, just about two days later, of course, I saw the tape.

You saw the tape?

Did they submit it to you?

No, they had it reproduced here in town.

It spreads in the sky, it floats, all over town.

Was there a tape recorder?

I should have seen a tape recorder.

But Henry can't say it was a photograph, should he?

Well, of course she printed it.

It wasn't printed.

It wasn't.

It was awful out of context to put them together in a way that would put them in a crazy place.

They were still on the devastation.

They were taken.

He said, in other words, if you say that you can't do it without a company, who's responsible for it?

That's what we are.

And that is something that's coming out.

You know what I'm saying?

He was a lawyer.

He was a steward.

He was a very...

I could work on it.

I could take business.

He said, yeah.

You know what I mean?

I'm like, that's context.

Come on.

Here we go.

And the best thing he could do was let it go.

And shut up.

I don't worry about it.

I don't care how you get into the office.

I don't know.

But he doesn't want to.

He doesn't want to.

Oh, he's doing the right thing.

He's going to do the right thing.

I don't have a reason for that.

Well, the story is that the rest of the group was good.

They were all going to pick up on the part of the subject.

The other group was not going very good.

I wouldn't give it any style.

Huh?

Just the style.

Yeah, I've heard that.

Well, sir, where do we come, then, here?

Your view is, we'll, uh, we'll meet him.

And, uh, we'll talk to him.

We'll get a damn good match.

We'll get the best that we can do.

But I think you, you know, I should just get a good match, too.

He will have to go in and see Rodgers.

I don't want to see him with Rodgers.

I don't want to go in.

I'm not going to go in with him.

You know what I mean?

Don't you agree?

Absolutely.

Rodgers and Blair at this point will only make self-serving proclamations for the effect that we should do this or that or this or that or the other thing.

They aren't going to help one thing or the other.

But you think they will help?

It's going to help to talk to him.

Yeah, but on the other hand

down hard in the fact that the October 8th agreement was a damn good one.

So we'll leave that until everybody else is back.

And Laird also is down hard on that.

We have no problem on that too.

And so is Angus, right?

That's when I see October 8th.

We haven't got any disagreements.

So on that we're in good shape and that's what we've got to do then.

But if in the morning, or

every month over, particularly on this side, every month.

Don't look back.

Forget all of this crap.

We haven't paid attention to this.

We have to leave these interviews and that's it.

That's it.

Nobody in the government is trying to shoot you down.

Nobody really is.

Not at the present time.

Rockets, they hate players.

They hate...

or they were all going to go back and do what was necessary.

We've just got to develop a game plan to deal with the new situation.

And we have to be a realistic game plan.

Once they are, it really is implemented at this point.

Part of the game plan all came up.

It's all a dramatic breakdown.

I just can't understand it too strongly.

I just cannot, I just cannot leave it like this.

There's no more.

This is better.

We can't do it with a copy and just let it roll.

We can do things, that's fine.

We can do a hell of a lot.

Get away with it.

And I don't think, I don't find that either.

I don't find that either, Bob, that Christmas Day, that Christmas, that, that, that, that it's, it's, it's, it's time to go on and say something which incidentally is not really true.

And it is true that we did make an agreement on October.

It is true that we backed on it.

We know that and I know it.

And for us to go on and say, the North is amazing and this and that and that, it's not true.

Now, that doesn't bother me so much as to say that it doesn't hurt to have some conviction.

You've got to be able to go out and say there's some conviction.

We know the real problem here.

The real problem is not the North.

The NARC we knew was going to be a problem.

The NARC we expected on a break we agreed on.

The NARC and the bank that sits on land would be as contagious as possible.

But they have agreed basically on all the substantive things they even wanted, right?

And they do not oppose the coalition government, right?

The problem isn't solved.

The problem is achieved.

Now that is, of course, the weakness of our old, goddamn hate.

Have I overstated it?

Isn't that really what it is?

We can't put the blame on someone.

We can't tell the brain of this and that and the other.

Do you think the brain of this comes from?

Yes, I do.

What do you think?

What effect do you have on it?

I don't know.

Do you think the brain of the other son of a bitch?

No, not yet.

No, I think they're fairly close.

They're closer.

They're dedicated by Henry.

Well, they've been there for a couple of hours now, but most of them have changed.

But, they are good enough.

They're not giving in to this situation.

In fact, they've been mad at their government for doing so bad to the poor people.

But, you know, it gives them other major advantages.

Whether you're all happy or not.

Do you follow me?

No, there is no sense in the following of making an agreement to steal from each other.

That's the bottom.

The whole purpose of this is to keep the truth, right?

But we can get an agreement without bombings.

What the hell?

We can't even provide evidence.

What the hell is there to do with the truth?

And now we're still looking at the bombing.

That's what I'm thinking.

And we're still dealing with the mining and so forth.

I wonder if that doesn't make you tougher to get, or does it make it easier for you?

Does he need some indication of our continued support, or does he need some indication?

By the way, you're also in a position where we're credible with you.

On the other hand, it is an encouragement to them.

Encouragement is a well-held, real stable health resource.

That's the reason I told you last time, let's find out what the hell is making you do what you haven't done.

Give signals to the word.

We've got to pull back.

We've got some murders, you know.

We haven't gotten anything out of it.

Here's how we want to defend it from this group.

Both economic and, uh, it's the military.

The military thinks it's a disaster.

They're going to have to pull five carriers off the line, send things out, and shoot so many people.

cut down on our air shore, we've got homes in support of them, but you can't.

And the way you can do it is don't cross lines.

Which is exactly what we're doing.

There are some things that are not being available for discussion.

But for not being available for discussion, we need to do that.

The economic things are, we just have technical difficulties in our business.

We need to monitor credit.

We need to monitor assistance and monetary.

conversion of the Astros, the Dollars, the Jets, you know, just to make that more difficult.

All right.

On the bombing thing then, maybe it's very tough, but the police are going to have to deal with it.

So talk to them a little bit about that.

I don't know.

Now, second on A, let's shoot.

All right.

Terribly intense.

I don't know.

Don't shoot.

I do.

If we come out with A, we're going to decide to put the pressure on and on.

And if we're not doing that, then all the neighbors are going to say to us, these are the foods that we're going to insist on.

If we get them, we're going to set them up and let them proceed.

Then I would find that, yes, we should do that.

And we should also, if that seems kind of talented to them,

I've got to keep up with the family and this new face.

I've got to keep up with the family and talk like this and do that.

That's what I was talking about.

I think we can do better than anybody else.

Right.

And maybe where it's necessary to just choose to back off.

But that always ties into the fact that I'm saying, yes, we are, we are going to.

But don't.

We're using that.

and explain it to the children.

There's a question about the presence of all these doors, don't you?

There are all these doors, right?

God damn it, you have to do something.

For example, if we're going to go in, we're going to have to pull the buttons and see what goes on.

And then, sure, we have to bring the protection.

We bring the protection that you have to have.

I think that's a very credible scenario, but I think we won't think about it.

With every reverse at that time, there's many things as well.

Goose continues to hit him and he will continue to fight and wiggle on until he finishes and that's where it ends.

Also, the hitting him up north, trying to balance it off.

The question is how much effect it has on the north.

On the north, on the Soviet, the rest, whether or not you can put them to the, that much of a test.

In other words, you're testing them there and you've got two matches.

the war in which both sides must accept the fact that they're going to win.

That's the real problem.

Neither can be forced.

That's the problem with the bombing thing.

And the bombing thing, the reason why we go that route

I think we virtually have to make a decision that it must be enormously effective, not only psychologically, but militarily.

And that's why the plans that I've seen so far don't work for me.

Don't.

Maybe they're pretty effective.

You get the power station, you get the communications station, you get the marksman guard, and you're usually being able to communicate with all those things that are effective militarily and psychologically.

I don't know.

You can't put yourself in an honest position where they say, well, stop the bombing.

I don't know if you see it.

I don't know whether they, Al, can come along to it.

You see what I mean?

It's a question of whether that type of pressure is now useful.

If we were talking about a year, yes.

My own view is that, and this is why I have my own view,

We're probably better advised, I'd like to see the bombing option, but I don't think we ought to do, I don't think stepping up bombing over the financial demand thing, unless it is militarily effective.

I don't think stepping it up on the Laotian Trail means anything unless it is militarily effective.

I've got to see the options.

All right, fine.

The second thing is our receiving of the mind, I think, can be a very effective thing.

And that, I think, that plus reconnaissance,

Your conscience being a friend.

And the receiving.

That would be another version.

Don't lose it.

Don't let the bond.

The receiving, well, we've always said we're going to keep the mind until we get something.

And the day we get something, we can unsee it.

That's right.

See, the mind is basically a routine receiving.

So you'll have, again, a problem in the market, roughly, maybe.

You've given him enough to think about him, and we're playing back into whether he's done enough time to already, you know, have to lay that requirement on him, and he'll have to address the paper as to when he's not working.

That's right, right.

Right in, thinking about should I resign, and so forth and so on.

Just knock that right in the head and say, you know, remember the big thing that you've done, and this is going to come off too, and it's going to come off.

It's got to be a decision.

It wasn't several last week.

We thought they might have let him leave him today.

Oh, well.

He worked.

Now I conclude that we have only two species that have been affected by this.

And that they remember him as a father to them.

And serve their purpose in the end.

And for the end, they're missionaries now.

Yes.

We are not dealing with a totally irrational person.

but even less than a half of those that are huge, they're important.

She was made up of an awful lot of important people, and if I still don't know them, I will not go.

I just don't know them.

Don't you know them?

No.

The guy who's been serving them.

This is what she's done.

We're just going to show that this is what she's done here now.

There's no way that she can do it.

The only problem I see today is that I have to be confident already that I'm going to be able to do it.

Unfortunately.

What in the hell is this?

You know.

That is the problem.

If you had an agreement, then the fact would be new.

Yeah.

I'm not having an agreement.

Just think with it.

If a very dead ass needs to make it to something or she has to see it, you tell her.

What do you want?

You'll find a way.

That's it.

But I see very little, they have meal on the purposes to set it up so...

So, uh, let me go back to my knowledge.

If you don't have an agreement with them...

that they're in a debate with the merchants and it's all like that.

It's all like that.

On the other hand, we can turn it off and leave.

We'll get out of it all.

Well, we can worry about that.

That's the thing I can definitely worry about.

We'll meet tomorrow.

Let's say that we get money and I can tell them that I'm tied up, which is quite true.

Okay, alright.