{"conversationCode":"381-013","tapeNumber":381,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-381-013","startDateTime":"1972-12-18T18:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-18T18:18:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Dec-1972","startTime":"1:17 PM","endDate":"18-Dec-1972","endTime":"1:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On December 18, 1972, Henry A. Kissinger and President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:17 pm to 1:18 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 381-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 381-13\n\nDate: December 18, 1972\nTime: 1:17 pm – 1:18 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nHenry A. Kissinger talked with the President.\n\n[See Conversation No. 34-128]","filename":["381-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Kissinger, Henry A.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"381-012","nextCode":"381-014","transcript":[{"start":2.6,"end":26.68,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":26.7,"end":26.78,"text":"Low."},{"start":26.8,"end":27.09,"text":"Oh, very high."},{"start":27.11,"end":27.32,"text":"Yeah, good."},{"start":27.34,"end":27.64,"text":"But it got bad."},{"start":27.66,"end":27.8,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":27.83,"end":27.95,"text":"Right."},{"start":27.97,"end":28.11,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":28.13,"end":28.27,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":43.89,"end":54.98,"text":"That was the, uh, marching yard."},{"start":60.09,"end":65.5,"text":"Well, it's called encouraging, I forget."},{"start":65.52,"end":65.78,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":65.8,"end":66,"text":"We'll see."},{"start":66.02,"end":66.7,"text":"We'll see whether it works or not."},{"start":66.72,"end":66.92,"text":"No choice."},{"start":66.94,"end":67.14,"text":"No choice."},{"start":67.16,"end":67.26,"text":"Okay."},{"start":67.28,"end":67.48,"text":"Now, yeah."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger met briefly to assess the status of ongoing strategic negotiations, characterized by a mix of high expectations and subsequent complications. The participants discussed the uncertainty surrounding current initiatives, ultimately concluding that they had no viable alternative but to proceed with their chosen course of action. This brief exchange served to reaffirm the administration's resolve in the face of unpredictable diplomatic developments.","topics":["Foreign Policy","Diplomatic Strategy","Negotiations","Decision Making"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:40:55.655Z"},"topicSlugs":["foreign-policy","diplomatic-strategy","negotiations","decision-making"],"audioDurationSec":72,"audioFiles":[{"file":"381-013.mp3","bytes":1737220,"durationSec":72.24,"bitrate":192383,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:45.213Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/381-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/381-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/381/conversation-381-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}