Conversation 383-006

On December 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Arthur Krock, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John A. Scali, Manolo Sanchez, John D. Ehrlichman, unknown person(s), White House operator, and George P. Shultz met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:29 pm to 6:01 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 383-006 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 383-6

Date: December 14, 1972
Time: 3:29 pm - 6:01 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -US bombing north of 20th Parallel
                  -Purpose
                        -Settlement agreement
                               -Status
                                      -North Vietnam’s delays
                                            -Congressional relations
                                            -Expectation of administration caution
                                            -Henry A. Kissinger’s press conference
                                                 -Tone
                                                 -Blame on North Vietnam
                  -Timing
                  -B-52s
                        -Hanoi
                               -Targets
                                      -Power plants, marshaling yards
                               -Duration
            -Possible speech by the President
                  -Timing
                        -Congressional reconvention
                  -Proposals
                        -Vietnamization
                        -Settlement agreement
                               -Political basis
                        -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                               -US troop withdrawal, cessation of US bombing and mining
                                      -Timing
            -Congressional relations
                  -North Vietnam’s position
            -Nguyen Van Thieu’s position
                  -Withdrawal of North Vietnamese troops from South Vietnam
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             -North Vietnam’s position
                  -Delays
                        -Congressional relations
                  -Kissinger
                        -The President’s role
                               -Kissinger’s resignation threat
                        -Conversation with the President
                               -The President’s trips to the People Republic of China [PRC] and
                                Soviet Union
                               -1972 election
                               -Kissinger’s “peace is at hand” statement, October 26, 1972
             -The President’s position
                  -Peace
                        -Type
                        -Timing

The President talked with Arthur Krock between 3:32 pm and 3:35 pm.

[Conversation No. 383-6A].

[See Conversation No. 34-83]

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s telephone calls
            -Krock
            -J[ean] Paul Getty
                  -Birthday greetings
                  -Wealth
            -Krock
                  -Health
            -Effect
                  -Journalists
                         -Krock
                         -Otis Chandler
                               -Health

       Vietnam negotiations
            -North Vietnam’s position
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       -Kissinger
       -The President’s position
              -Tone
-Settlement agreement
       -The President’s place in history
       -Timing
              -1973 Inauguration
                    -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
       -Colson’s analysis
              -Tone
                    -Kissinger
       -US bombing
              -Location
                    -Hanoi, Haiphong
                    -North of 20th Parallel
       -Polls
              -1972 campaign
                    -Kissinger’s press conference, October 26, 1972
                    -Louis P. Harris
-War as an issue
       -Casualties
       -Draft
       -US bombing
       -Duration of war
       -US troops
              -Number
       -Possible statement by the President
       -Press relations
              -John Chancellor
              -[Arnold] Eric Sevareid
-Breakdown
       -Timing
              -1972 election
       -Kissinger
-North Vietnamese actions
       -Settlement agreement
              -The President’s position
                    -US bombing north of 20th Parallel
                          -B-52s
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                                    -Hanoi
            -Thieu

Public relations [PR]
      -Issues
             -Vietnam War
                   -George S. McGovern’s position
                          -Compared to the President’s
             -1972
                   -Compared to 1968
                   -Albert E. Sindlinger’s poll
                          -Crime and drugs
                          -Inflation
                          -Vietnam War
             -Press relations

Vietnam War
     -Press relations
           -US bombing north of 20th Parallel
                  -Hanoi, Haiphong
                  -Compared to US bombing, December 1971
                        -Newness
                              -Cambodia and Laos
                        -May 1972
                  -B-52s
                  -Television [TV]

Vietnam negotiations
     -PR
          -The President’s announcement
                 -Timing
                 -Continuation of US bombing and mining
                       -Cessation
                 -US troop withdrawal
                 -POWs
          -Peaceniks
          -Congressional relations
                 -Possible Michael J. Mansfield proposal
                       -Effect
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                              -Cut off of aid to South Vietnam
                                    -Effect
                                           -South Vietnam’s survival
                                    -McGovern’s position
                                           -1972 election

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       1972 election results
            -Missouri
                   -Delay
                   -Richard M. Scammon
            -Arizona
                   -Socialist Workers Party
            -Missouri
            -New York
            -Missing states
            -Scammon’s view
            -Compared to Lyndon B. Johnson’s 1964 results
                   -New York, Arizona
                   -Scammon
                   -Missouri
                   -Percentage
                   -New York, Arizona
                         -Scammon
                         -Socialist Workers Party
            -Rounding percentages
            -Missouri
            -Massachusetts, Rhode Island
            -Pennsylvania
            -New York
            -Michigan
            -Missouri
            -Pennsylvania
            -West Virginia

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      PR
           -Analysis of 1972 election
                -Scammon
                       -Compared to Harris
                             -The President’s trips to the PRC and the Soviet Union
                                   -Effect
                             -Peace and progress
                             -Public perception of the President
                                   -Liberalism
                                   -Competence
                                   -Conservatism
                       -Public perception of the President
                             -Centrism
                       -Economy
                       -Welfare
                       -Busing
                       -Crime
                       -Permissiveness

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                -The President’s success
                     -Labor
                     -Catholics
                     -Blue collar
                     -Independents
                     -Democrats
                     -Compared to Barry M. Goldwater
                           -Republicans
                     -Compared to Dwight D. Eisenhower
                     -Republicans
                     -Democrats
                     -Labor
                -“New Majority”
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         -Businessmen
         -Professionals
         -Compared to previous elections
         -Manual labor
-Polls
      -[George H.] Gallup
      -Harris
-Issues
      -Peace
      -Food prices
      -The President’s family
      -Compared to George S. McGovern’s family
      -McGovern’s personality
-Support for the President
      -Men and women
      -Polls
             -Gallup
                   -Blue collar
             -Compared to Harris
      -Catholics
      -Compared to Eisenhower
             -Labor
             -Independents
             -Professionals
             -Labor
      -Democrats
             -John F. Kennedy
             -Goldwater
      -Catholics
             -Eisenhower
      -New York
      -Pennsylvania
-Johnson
      -New York
      -Goldwater
-California
-The President’s schedule
      -Review of results
      -Trip to Florida
      -Timing
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                 -Vote certification
                       -Arizona
                 -Scammon
                       -Missouri
                       -Arizona
                       -Check on results
                 -California
                       -John Birch Society
                              -John G. Schmitz
                 -Michigan
                 -Pennsylvania
                 -Margin of victory
                       -Antiwar opposition
                              -Cynicism
                       -New York
                              -Watergate
                              -Albert E. Sindlinger
                                    -Call to Colson
                                    -McGovern
                 -Theodore H. (“Teddy”) White
                       -Meeting with Colson
                              -Southern strategy
                              -Northern strategy

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      Watergate
           -Possible television [TV] appearance by the President
                 -[White’s] view
                 -Colson’s view
                        -The President’s involvement
                              -PR
           -Handling
                 -Timing
                        -Summer 1972
           -E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
                 -[Loss of Dorothy Hunt]
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                        -Colson’s conversation with Hunt’s lawyer, [William Bittman]
                              -Note
                        -Relationship with the President
                              -Possible letter
                        -Colson’s conversation with Bittman
                              -Robert D. (“Bobby”) Baker

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 4:03 pm.

       The President’s schedule
            -Reception for 1972 election supporters
            -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
            -Colson’s schedule
            -John A. Volpe
                  -Speech

       Movie
            -The Emigrants [Utrandrarna]
                  -Haldeman’s viewing
                       -Washington Circle
                  -The President’s viewing
                       -Swedish language
                  -Colson’s Swedish grandfather
                  -Photography

       Fitzsimmons
             -Reception for 1972 election supporters
             -Harold J. Gibbons
                  -International Brotherhood of Teamsters
                  -1972 campaign
             -Schedule

       Colson’s schedule

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       1972 election
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             -Results
                  -Compared to Johnson
                  -Mistakes
                  -New York
                  -Arizona
                  -Missouri
                  -Electoral college
                  -Scammon
                  -California
                        -Schmitz vote
                  -Idaho, Oregon, Washington

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      Copy

      Second term reorganization
           -Labor Department
                 -Under Secretary
                       -Possible woman appointee [Gertrude Michaelson?]
                              -Peter J. Brennan
                              -First term
                              -Brennan
                                     -Democratic affliation
                              -Jewish background
                                     -New York
                              -Colson’s checking
           -Florence P. Shientag
                 -Background
                       -Fiorello H. Laguardia
                 -Article in New York Times
                       -Drug abuse
                 -Possible position
                       -Chief of Protocol
                 -Background
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                           -Judge
                     -Husband, Monte Sideman
                           -Reception for 1972 election supporters
                     -Possible positions
                           -Under Secretaryship
                           -Colson’s conversation with Shientag
                           -John D. Ehrlichman
                           -Assistant Attorney General
                           -Counsel
               -John A. Scali
                     -Ambassadorship to United Nations [UN]
                           -Announcement
                                 -Timing
                                 -Meeting with the President
                                 -Brennan
                           -American Broadcasting Company [ABC] offer
                                 -Leonard Goldenson
                           -Meeting with the President
                           -Meeting with Haldeman

       The President’s schedule
            -Reception for 1972 election supporters
                  -Attendance
                         -Politicians

       Second term reorganization
            -George D. Webster
                  -Tax law
                        -John H. Alexander
                  -Establishment

Scali entered at 4:15 pm.

       Greetings

Manolo Sanchez entered at 4:15 pm.

       Getty
               -Birthday greetings by the President
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                  -London

       Refreshment order

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:52 pm.

       Scali ambassadorship to the UN
             -George H. W. Bush
                   -Relationship with the President
             -Charles W. Yost
             -Relationship with the President
             -State Department
             -Kissinger
             -State Department
             -US delegation to UN
                   -Shirley Temple Black
                   -Jewell S. Lafontant
                   -Staff
                          -Appointments
                   -Bureaucracy
                          -State Department
                                -Scali’s experience
                   -Loyalty
                          -Bush’s actions
             -Scali’s role
                   -Press relations
                   -Relationship with Kissinger, William P. Rogers
                   -Foreign Service
                   -Relationship with the President
                   -US-Africa relations
                          -State Department
                          -South Africa
                                -Hypothetical US military action
                          -State Department
                                -Bureaucracy
                          -African representation at UN
                          -Press relations
                          -Black Africa vis-à-vis white Africa
                                -Apartheid
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            -Rhodesia
                   -Chrome
                   -Great Britain
            -Black leadership
                   -Demogoguery
      -Soviet Union, PRC
      -US-Soviet Union, US-PRC relations
            -The President’s trip to the PRC
      -Middle East
            -Appearances
            -Possible solution
                   -Great power politics
-US public opinion
      -Hijacking resolution vote
-Henry Cabot Lodge
      -The President’s view
            -George Cabot Lodge
            -Role
                   -Soviet Union
                   -PRC
      -Press relations
      -UN staff
            -Bureaucracy
      -The President’s policies
      -ABC
            -Colson
-Announcement
      -Effect
            -State Department
            -Press relations
-Scali’s experience
      -Haldeman and Colson
      -US foreign policy
      -Trips to the Soviet Union, PRC
      -White House
            -National Security Council [NSC], State Department
      -PR, Press relations
      -Purpose
      -Compared with Brennan appointment
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                   -Labor Department
           -Yost
                   -Loyalty
                        -Foreign Service
           -Bush
           -Foreign policy
                  -Press relations
           -Foreign Service Officers
                  -Loyalty
                        -State Department
     -Scali’s role
           -Testimony before Senate Committee
                  -Bush
                  -Trips to the PRC, Soviet Union, Europe
                  -Work in White House and State Department
                  -Africa
     -Cabinet rank

White House staff
     -Counselors
          -Robert H. Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld
          -Finch
                 -Future plans
                       -California governorship
          -Rumsfeld
                 -Future plans
                       -US Senate, Illinois
                             -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
                             -Polls

NATO ambassadorship
   -David M. Kennedy
   -Rumsfeld
   -Cabinet rank

Scali’s ambassadorship to the UN
      -Cabinet rank
           -Lodge
                  -Eisenhower
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       -Compared to participation
-Scali’s position
       -Rogers and his successor
       -NSC meetings
             -Budget
       -Cabinet meetings
       -Pay
       -Prerequisites
-Scali’s gratitude
-Scali’s New York contacts
-Scali’s coverage of UN
       -Secretary of State
       -Nikita S. Krushchev
-UN
       -Relationship with the US
-Responsibility to the President
       -Loyalty
             -FSOs, State Department
-Work with Kissinger
-Work with new Secretary of State
-Work with Rogers
-Scali’s TV contract offer from ABC
       -Goldenson’s offer
             -Terms
                    -Special correspondent
                    -World tour
                    -White House
       -Announcement
       -Scali’s reply to Goldenson
             -New York
-Italian-Americans
       -Scali’s conversations
       -Scali’s background
       -Fiorello H. LaGuardia
             -Jesse M. Unruh
       -Mother [Lucy (Leone) S. Scali]
       -Scali’s role on White House staff
-Scali’s background
       -Previous jobs in Canton, Ohio
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             -The President’s visit to Canton
      -Education
      -Financial status
             -Scali’s work habits
             -Announcement
                    -Timing
                          -Goldenson meeting
                          -Press relations
                                 -News magazine, networks
                                 -Ronald L. Ziegler
                          -ABC meeting
             -Checking
                    -William E. Timmons
                          -Consultation with Senators
                    -Bush
                    -Scali’s retention [as Special Consultant to the President]
                          -Payroll
-Scali’s financial status
      -Social functions
             -Entertainment
-Social functions
      -Yost
             -Bush
             -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
      -Types of parties
      -Financing
             -Yost
             -Bush
      -The President’s possible appearance at UN
             -The President’s previous appearances
      -New York elite
             -Bush
             -Italian-Americans
                    -Support for the President
             -Opposition to the President
                    -Upper East Side
                          -Waldorf Towers Hotel
                    -John V. Lindsay
             -New constituency
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             -Bush
             -The President’s view
             -Donald McI. Kendall compared to David Rockefeller
                   -Education
                   -Wife
                   -[Sigrid Irmgard (Baroness Ruedt von Collenberg) “Bim”
                     Kendall]
             -Rockefeller
             -Council on Foreign Affairs
                   -Kissinger
                   -Support for McGovern
                   -Kendall
             -Bernard J. (“Bunny”) Lasker
             -John Loeb
             -Donald T. Regan
             -James F. Cleary
             -John J. McCloy
             -Old compared to new elite
                   -Bush’s background
                          -Yale University
                          -Prescott Bush
                                -Brown Bros., Harriman & Co.
                          -Wealth
                                -Texas
             -Scali’s relationship with the President
             -Scali’s residence
                   -Waldorf
-Press relations
      -Tone
      -New York Daily News
             -Compared to New York Times
      -ABC
             -Compared to Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
      -Pauline Frederick
             -Reports
-Scali’s role
      -US foreign policy
      -Vietnam negotiations
             -Status
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                            -US bombing and mining north of 20th Parallel
                            -North Vietnam’s delays
                                   -Congressional relations
                      -Africa
                      -Middle East
                      -European Security Conference
                      -Economic matters
                      -PRC
                      -Soviet Union
                            -Interest in policy
                                   -Compared to interest in the President
               -Announcement
                      -Timing
                            -Vietnam War
                                   -Reseeding of mines
                                   -Propaganda
                                         -Hanoi
                      -Details
                      -Congressional relations
               -Position
                      -Social demands
                      -Social elite
               -Scali
               -Ambassadorial appointments
                      -Tenure
                            -Secretary of State
                            -Cabinet

Scali left at 4:52 pm.

       Scali
               -Enthusiasm for appointment
                     -Compared to other appointees
                          -Rogers
                          -Lucy Scali
               -Attendance at mass as St. Patrick’s Cathedral
               -Possible meeting with Terence Cardinal Cooke
               -Possible meeting with [Pope Paul VI] Giovanni Battista Motini
               -Possible meeting with Cooke
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      -Italian-American background

Second term reorganization
     -Italian-Americans
            -Eugene A. Cafiero
                  -Vice President of Chrysler Corporation
                         -Reception for 1972 election
                         -Republican orientation
                         -Work with Michael P. Balzano, Jr.
                         -Secretary of Transportation
                               -Unknown person
                                      -Reception for 1972 election supporters
                               -List of possible appointees
                         -Arrival in Chrysler airplane
                               -Scali’s ambassadorship to the UN
                                      -Democratic appointments
                                            -Anthony J. Celebrezze
                                      -Status
                                            -Compared to Secretary of Transportation,
                                              Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare
                                              [HEW]
     -Herbert G. Klein
            -Possible job offer from Goldenson
                  -ABC
                         -Partisanship
                               -James C. Hagerty
            -Possible job offer from William S. Paley
                  -CBS
                         -Salary
                         -Colson’s conversation with Paley
            -Press relations
                  -TV
                         -1972 campaign
            -Administrative ability
            -Press relations
                  -TV
                         -Repetition
                         -Image
                         -Questions and answers [Q & A]
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                                    -Number
                  -Possible job
                        -CBS
                        -NBC
                              -John Chancellor
                        -CBS
                              -Colson’s conversation with Paley
                                    -Klein’s credentials, integrity
                                    -Administration opposition
                                    -Second term
                                    -Colson’s conversation with Paley
                                          -Sander Vanocur
                                    -Timing
                                    -Media bias
                                          -Fairness, balance
                                                -Daniel L. Schorr
                                                -Dan Rather

       The President’s schedule
            -Reception for 1972 election supporters
                  -Hand-shaking
                  -Dinner

John D. Ehrlichman entered and Colson left at 5:03 pm.

       Second term reorganization
            -Scali’s ambassadorship to the UN
                  -Scali’s meeting with the President
                  -Ehrlichman’s conversation with J. Stanley Pottinger
                        -Private practice
                        -Appointment
                  -Scali’s meeting with the President
                        -Responsibility
                               -The President
                               -Secretary of State
                               -Foreign Service
                        -Lucy Scali
                        -Italian-Americans
                               -Celebrezze
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                       -Volpe
                 -Cabinet rank
                 -Prerequisites
                       -Foreign Service
                             -Rogers
     -Joseph T. Sneed
           -Announcement
                 -Reaction

Press relations
      -Ehrlichman’s press conference
             -The President’s first term
      -The President’s conversation with Haldeman
             -George W. Romney, Volpe, John B. Connally, George P. Shultz
             -“Lead”
      -Ehrlichman’s press conference
             -“Lead”
             -Duration
             -Domestic affairs
                   -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
             -Foreign affairs
                   -Klein
             -Kenneth W. Clawson

Second term reorganization
     -Clawson
           -Ziegler’s office
                 -Domestic affairs
     -Ziegler’s office
           -Foreign affairs
     -James Keogh
           -Duties at US Information Agency [USIA]
     -Ziegler’s office
           -Foreign affairs
                 -Andrew Volkavich
                       -Cables
                       -Kissinger’s office
                       -The President’s trip to the Soviet Union
                       -Frank J. Shakespeare
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                      -Loyalty
                      -FSO
                      -Possible ambassadorship
                      -Physical appearance
                            -Compared to Roy L. Ash
                      -The President’s trip to the Soviet Union
                            -Embassy
                      -Knowledge of Russian and other European languages
                      -Education
                      -Age

Candidates for public office
     -Preferred ages
           -House of Representatives
           -Senate
           -The President’s approval
           -House of Representatives and Senate

Second term reorganization
     -Federal judges
           -The President’s reconfirmation list
                 -Justice Department response
           -Possible legislation
                 -Senate Judiciary Committee
     -Sallyanne Payton
           -Stephen B. Bull
           -Office of Legal Counsel
           -White House
                 -Washington, DC
     -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
           -Transportation Department appointment
                 -Washington Star editorial
                        -Washington, DC
     -Payton
           -Black appointees
           -Possible job
                 -Judgeship
                 -Justice Department
                        -Qualifications
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                       -Law school record
                              -US District Court
                       -US District Court
                              -Lafontant
          -Washington, DC
                -White House
                       -Staff
                       -James T. Lynn
          -Payton
                -Justice Department
                       -Sneed
                       -General Counsel
                -Age

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                       -Chief of staff
                             -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon

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     Second term reorganization
          -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon’s staff
                -Haldeman’s meeting with Constance M. (Cornell) (“Connie”) Stuart
                       -Stuart’s departure
                             -Staff director for Mrs. Nixon
                -Press Secretary
                       -Marge Byers
                             -Haldeman’s meeting
                             -Attitude
          -Robert G. Dixon, Office of Legal Counsel, Justice Department
                -Italian-Americans, blacks
                -Height
                -Constitutional law specialization
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                    -Work with John W. Dean, III
                    -Quality
                           -Michael P. Balzano, Jr.
                    -Promotion
             -Appointments
                    -Needs
                           -The President’s supporters, New Majority
                                  -Scali
                                         -State Department
                                         -Colson’s and Haldeman’s role in appointment
                                               -Scali’s role
                                                     -Note to Haldeman
                                                     -Colson
             -Cafiero
                    -Reception for 1972 election supporters
                    -Italian-American background
                    -Chrysler Corporation
                    -Work for President in 1972 election
                           -Italian-Americans
                    -Transportation Department
             -Italian-Americans
                    -White Anglo-Saxon Protestants [WASPs]
                    -Colson’s list
                           -Frederic V. Malek

Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 5:03 pm and 5:55 pm.

[Conversation No. 383-6D]

                         -Cafiero

[End of telephone conversation]

       Second term reorganization
            -Edward David, Jr.
                  -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
                        -George P. Shultz
            -Woman appointees
                  -Dixy Lee Ray
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                 -Florence Shientag
             -NASA
                 -David
                 -James Fletcher
                 -David
                       -Compared to Fletcher
                 -Haldeman’s telephone call to Shultz
                 -Fletcher

Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 5:03 pm and 5:55
pm.

[Conversation No. 383-6B]

       Request for a call to Shultz

[End of telephone conversation]

       Second term reorganization
            -AEC
                  -Ray
                        -Symbolism
                             -Compared to Maritime Commission

Haldeman talked with Shultz at an unknown time between 5:03 pm and 5:55 pm.

[Conversation No. 383-6C]

       Second term reorganization
            -David
                  -AEC
                        -Status
            -NASA
                  -Supersonic Transport [SST]

       Press relations
             -Ehrlichman’s press conference
                    -Tone
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                               -Rather
                               -Partisanship
                               -Advocacy
             -The President’s opposition

[End of telephone conversation]

       Second term reorganization
            -David
                   -AEC
                         -Budget
                               -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                         -Energy research and development [R & D]
                         -John C. Whitaker
            -Interior Department
                   -Whitaker
                         -Conversation with the President
                   -Plan
                         -Ehrlichman’s conversation with Shultz
                         -Ehrlichman’s and Shultz’s conversations with Peter M. Flanigan
            -Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
                   -George D. Webster
                         -Conversation with Colson
                               -Mismanagement suit by First Western
                               -Savings and Loan Association, 1967
                                     -Retaliatory suit
                                           -Appeal
                         -Tax deficiency assessments
                         -Tax-exempt associations
                         -Business deductions
                               -Cattle
                               -Tax deficiency assessments
                         -Shultz
                         -Confirmation problems
                               -Dean’s recommendation
                               -Colson
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                                -Alexander
                    -Dean’s recommendation
                          -Webster’s personality, loyalty
                          -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                    -Colson
-Justice Department
       -Holdovers
             -Ivy League
             -Number
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
       -White House relations
             -Kissinger
       -Arms Control and Disarmament Agency [ACDA]
             -Secor D. Browne
             -Robert D. Timm
             -Browne
-ACDA
       -Karl R. Bendesten
             -Age
             -Qualification
       -Philip J. Farley
             -Kissinger, Rogers
       -Harold Agnew
             -Los Alamos Laboratory
             -Staff budget
                    -Bendesten
             -Jackson
                    -Staff recommendations
                          -Bendesten
                          -Kissinger
                          -Farley
       -Agnew
       -William A. Nierenberg
             -Director at Scripps Institute at La Jolla
             -Edward Teller and Jackson
             -Teller and Jackson
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           -Jackson
                 -Bureaucracy
           -Qualifications
                 -Strategic issues
                 -Government, administrative experience
           -Compared to Agnew
                 -Politics
                        -Support for the President
     -Agnew
           -Current position
                 -Los Alamos
           -Antiballistic missiles [ABMs]
           -Requirements
                 -Reform
           -Spokesman
                 -Congressional relations
                        -ABM
           -U. Alexis Johnson
     -Reform
     -Spokesman
           -Bendesten
                 -Age
                 -Reform
                 -Age
-ACTION
-Wallace H. Johnson
     -General Counsel
     -Congressional relations
     -Loyalty
     -Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]
-General Service Administration [GSA]
     -Hugh Scott’s staffer [Robert L. Kunzig]
           -Ehrlichman’s conversation with Scott
     -Arthur F. Sampson
           -Malek’s view
     -Kunzig
           -Ehrlichman’s conversation with Scott
-Johnson
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-Dr. Robert L. DuPont
      -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe
-Under Secretary level
-Frank C. Carlucci
      -Ash’s recommendation
      -State Department
             -Rogers’s recommendation
                   -Deputy Assistant Secretary for Administration
                         -William J. Casey
                         -Tenure
                                -Transitional period
                         -Carlucci’s loyalty
                                -Casey
      -Agency for International Development [AID]
             -Daniel Parker
      -Loyalty
             -Casey
-AID
      -President of Sero [?] Corp., Bedford [first name unknown]
             -Litton Industries
                   -Ash
                   -Charles D. (“Tex”) Thornton
      -Possible black appointee [Thomas A. Wood]
             -TAW International Leasing, Inc.
                   -Africa, Latin America
                   -[Decision Systems, Inc.]
-[Gillette exectutive] [Walter Hunnewell, Jr.]
      -FSO
             -FSO in Eisenhower administration
             -Age
             -Education
                   -Harvard University, M.B.A.
-Wood
      -Background
             -Michigan
-A Litton executive
      -Background
             -Education
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                               -Harvard University M.B.A.

     Budget
          -1974
                    -The President’s schedule
                         -Possible meeting
                               -Cabinet
                               -Shultz
                               -Timing and location
                                      -Camp David
            -Cuts
                  -Vietnam War
                  -Defense Department
                  -Supplemental
                        -1974, 1973
            -Printing
                  -1974
                  -Colson [?]

      The President’s schedule
           -State of Union address
           -Second term reorganization
                 -Assistant Secretaries, Under Secretaries
                 -Ambassadorships
                        -West Germany
                             -Martin J. Hillenbrand

      Ehrlichman’s schedule
            -Press conference on the President’s first term

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      Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
          -W[illiam] Averell Harriman’s comment
                -1976 election
                -Future in politics
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      Ehrlichman’s press conference on the President’s first term
            -Press relations
            -Attendance

      Second term reorganization
           -Congressional relations
           -Ash
                 -Meeting with Najeeb E. Halaby
           -Plans
                 -Release
                        -Timing
                              -Congressional relations
                                    -Reconvention
                                         -January 1973
                                    -Consultations
           -Congressional relations
                 -Gerald R. Ford
                        -Breakfasts
                              -Republicans
                 -William M. Colmer
                        -Meetings
                 -The President’s role
                 -Scott
                        -Afternoon meetings
                              -The President’s schedule

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                                    -Effect

       1972 election
            -Results
                   -New Jersey
                        -Votes for the President compared to votes for Clifford P. Case
            -Ehrlichman’s conversation with Linwood Holton
                   -Busing
            -Questions at Ehrlichman’s press conference
                   -Welfare reform
                   -Busing
                   -Minorities
                        -The President’s first term
                   -Busing
                        -The President’s position
                               -1972 campaign

Ehrlichman left at 5:55 pm.

       Second term reorganization
            -Ambassadorships
                  -Stans
                  -Labor
                  -Leonard C. Meeker
                  -Age
                  -Labor
                        -Einar Mohn
                        -James Suffrage
                  -Blacks
                        -Orville Pitts
                              -Sweden
                              -Washington, DC City Council
                        -Leroy Jefferies
                              -Liberia
                  -Dr. Edgardo Buttari
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                         -Ecuador
                  -Phillip V. Sanchez
                         -Panama
                  -Ecuador
                         -Kissinger
                         -Relations with Cuba
                               -Fidel Castro
                  -Paraguay
                         -Guyanna, Ghana

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Well, actually, this is probably what we're going to have to do.
Because the...
That's Sunday out, and then on Sunday, on Sunday, we're going to do 61.
over every goddamn time for two weeks.
And by the 31st, just before the 1st or 2nd, just before the 1st, that item wouldn't go on for three weeks.
And as you know, that's a de-escalation time, too.
I don't believe that Congress might have done that.
No, absolutely not.
In fact, I think you could go harder than that.
The thing is, I can't figure out a prison, and I didn't do, obviously, what the statement did, but I'm sensible to that.
I can't figure out why they're playing this game, because I don't really think that they're dumb enough to think that you don't get it.
Oh, we're going to need to spell it out.
I think they're in the Congress.
The reason they're in the Congress on a victory, frankly, I'm not sure.
Two, we're trying to save some of it, but he's beating goddamn ass.
They have misjudged Henry on that.
Well, earlier you can remember he wanted me to get out there and run that affair and resign and all that kind of shit.
Now Henry realizes that his...
I said, what about it?
We did China.
We did Russia.
We wound up the war.
We've done all we can.
We won the election.
I've got that black line here.
It's not like we just... And I said, as far as this is concerned, don't worry about what he said.
I mean, it wasn't them, but they broke the deal.
And remember, the president didn't say that.
The president said, I apologize for what I did, but it's going to be the right time to peace.
Not one day sooner.
Not one day sooner.
No, I think your position, Mr. President, is you couldn't be stronger either.
Maybe you've got to deal with it a little bit.
I heard.
Well, I just wanted you to know that I, Dr. DeRosa, I guess she was saying you've been a little under the weather.
I knew you had, and I should have called her earlier, but I wanted to know, we're thinking I do, and when those election returns came in, I was thinking back over the years, and how very, very few people I had in your distinguished profession
whoever even that, you know, but I don't mean, uh, whatever kind of hand or whatever you would try to, uh, effectively, but I remember their friendship and, uh, I will always be grateful.
Right.
Some of the hell with that guy goes too long.
But, but, uh, believe me, uh, I'll tell you, I, uh,
I just want you to know that we do hope and wish you the very best for all this Christmas season.
I know it's tough, but believe me, I was saying to somebody the other day,
I said, well, I said, as far as the landslide is concerned, let me tell you one thing.
I said, it doesn't happen.
It happens over a period of years.
You build it.
Sometimes when you lose, sometimes when you win.
When you run for the House, when you run for the Senate, when you lose for president, when you win for president,
And in public life, have people like yourselves.
I remember those lunches we had up at my little office.
I remember we'd kick around.
I always thought you were a constitutional lawyer, the one that you told me you were.
And I also remember that delicious tomato dish we had at your house.
I know.
Well, anyway, just wish you
That's the way I think it is.
I call the whole agency a group of 7,000 old men.
It's about $3 million.
Many people have got $3 million to call the president.
All right, you're crying.
You're sick.
You're about to die.
You're about to die.
No friend.
Nobody helps you.
Nobody cares.
You see that?
People know that.
Journalists know that.
And it's a, it's a, that was a, when you called me, it was a tickle, and you called me, and I, and I, and I said, yeah, I got a number of people talking about that.
It's a big, I like that.
I agree, absolutely, absolutely.
I think, what are we really talking about?
We're talking about, from a selfish standpoint, we're posting history.
We're talking about, from an immediate standpoint, getting the dam back a little bit on the best view we can make.
And getting it over with even cold before the inauguration.
Well, make ready prices and ask them to do so.
I don't think that's important.
I really don't, I don't know damn how they're supposed to inaugurate it.
I ain't got time for that.
I made that argument, I made that analysis hard on him because I thought Kennedy was impressive.
It's true that right now you could do anything and the American people would support you because they're content.
And the war isn't a personal threat to them in any way.
I think we've got to respect, no, it may be we're, I think we're going to, we've got to affect the letdown people are going to say, oh, Christ, the war is going on again.
It's going to be fine.
A lot of them don't know the difference.
They don't care where you're from.
You know, there's plenty of parallels there.
They really don't know the difference.
Probably, though, actually not.
I feel it.
I missed it.
I felt it during the campaign.
When Henry had his brief in the 50s.
Great way to have me drop my question and pull it.
Well, we did.
Harris was another guy.
Do you remember?
I don't get it, but we did.
And we made him in.
Well, he was... Ended up there.
But anyway...
Because of that, there's no great expectation.
Everybody's resigned.
And frankly, I think it's become rather unfashionable to create a big studio over at war.
But there are no casualties.
There are no casualties.
The airplanes are flying, but they fly all the time anyway.
People are in very poor condition.
There's been war there for some damn long.
If we had 500,000 men,
I just don't think people expect it to end.
I think they expect it to just dribble up.
And if he would have announced it, or if he would have gone public, or if he would have made a dramatic judgment, I guess then you would go and I just, you know, it's on both sides.
But if there's another delay that the negotiations have in place, it's the end of it with the defense and John Chancellor.
And they're going to let them.
This is a big story.
And they're basically, that's the way it's supposed to be.
But that's not the way it's supposed to be.
And they also like to put us up when they want to go over and say, well, we didn't do it.
I think they're just not going to want to do it.
We created the impression that we didn't do it.
I think Henry could lead the case, but I probably, I would not go too hard on the line that they backed away from everything.
I blame them, I'm not vindictive, but I blame them for the fact that it had to be so.
But I think the point is, more to me, it's a very complex thing, but just the point is we talked about it at this point.
We talked about it, but it is not, you know, at least in that direction, we're very difficult people to deal with.
You have language problems, you have problems with your objectives.
You're ready to continue to go at it, but not do it right now.
And then just quietly do your military action and do the next thing.
So let that happen.
Be super mindful of that.
Okay?
Can I talk a little bit to you about the one adage that he used?
I thought it was a movie.
I thought it was a movie on 2010 that we played forever.
Maybe they're miscalculating on the grounds that you would like to start a new term.
Right.
Correct.
A governor's position endures on that issue.
It's what they're talking about.
You're not having a governor without a governor's position.
I don't know if there's ever been, there hasn't been a governor's position.
In recent years, I think there hasn't been such peace in the country.
Peace in the center, I'm afraid.
Because they've been really, really, in the last 60 years, people were scared.
And some of them have been fascinating.
Absolutely fascinating.
What is the number one issue in the country right now?
I'm going to ask you a question.
For the first time, for the wrong time, there was no dominant number one issue.
There are other issues.
Crime grows way down.
Inflation, 23% of the people get inflation.
In East Vietnam, it's 21%.
But no, normally, one issue is that it's very low.
And this is, I know it's maybe too high for some people.
But the point is that they're wrong.
It just got pulled close to me.
The lesser issue, thank you, relates back to people.
So the crime force put it behind the counter.
This was a German bomb.
What does that mean?
For me, it was a German bomb.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
because we haven't met you.
That was great.
The last thing we had, you brought your mom, right?
Your mother had a big mom.
She's been brought in all year long.
Since May, but she's been brought in.
You see her all the time.
Every time you pick up a newspaper, you see pictures of people who do want to get married.
You see little sequences.
I don't think...
I also think there's been so much outlawed in these negotiations that except for the business, and that's the one emotionally important reason.
But I'll tell you, when I made the announcement that I probably would build on for the next 10 years, and now we're going to continue bombing and mining, and that we will stop bombing, mining, and
I really think, you know, the case next will go further.
Manage to be able to say, cut off all military aid to South Vietnam.
I don't think people want to do that.
I want to get one statement .
Missouri is all about .
And I talked to yesterday and I asked him to get .
I asked him again because he said .
What do you think ?
No, no, I think they really have a problem.
They've got a problem in Arizona with the county putting down a ballot supporting the Social Democratic Party that was in the state.
And so they're going to be repealing Arizona, and I don't know if it's here, but that would help us.
But I don't see how it's working.
It's very difficult.
I don't see what it is.
New York is sort of a...
There are still four states, three states out.
Are we still even with Johnson or the other one?
Well, if you take only New York, you'll be a little behind.
If you take New York or New York Post behind, you'll be a little behind.
If you take New York, and every time we come, we go, well, this can't be right.
I've reviewed this, this can't be right.
But we can't tell.
By the way, Missouri, we don't know about.
Missouri isn't one of those countries where we can't tell.
And they're, they're, they say now they won't,
So I'm afraid I'm not going to have a final figure for you until next week.
Scanlon said you have to pick the two next-year earnings percentages.
He said that's the only way to pick it.
And on that basis, you clearly can't.
And that's the way he carries his total.
And I've come back and looked.
He carries it a couple of times.
It's a great book.
It's his book.
So he thinks he has the old memory.
And his question, he doesn't think it'd be .
Everybody said Johnson .
Yeah.
Where is he?
Where are we standing?
61.4 now.
61.04.
Johnson is 61.05.
But that's what New York put out there.
And put out there that he had 61.6.
Well, if you take the 3,000-foot error in Arizona, according to Dick, I don't know, put in a scanner for the 3,000-foot error in Arizona, where for some reason one of the counties put it on and said it was working for a debt problem there.
After they started the program, they found out that was actually
And he said, after every election you go through this, then if you round it properly, it doesn't take that much longer.
So if there's a quill, maybe we could pull it right close to her.
Well, they got it rounded off, so they had to get the quill out.
61.1.
61.1, they rounded Johnson on there.
They round us on the 61.
61 would come under the bus.
Those days.
Yeah.
That's what I hear, again, from the western area, and then that's what I hear.
This theory is correct, not Harris.
Harris thought it was a perfectly brilliant strategy.
But to me, to me, a little more accurate.
And Scammon does have it in him.
Scammon underplayed a little bit too much the China-Russia statute.
Harris overplayed it.
But Harrison's piece and all that, and progress, and people like the piece, progress.
People just vote for me, however, because if they find a liberal, which is Harrison, do you suppose people voted for me?
I have a place in confidence.
And frankly, we don't really have a concern.
That scanning theory is a compliment.
That's the part of it.
We have that scanning theory.
The scanning theory is that he was considered a senator.
The economy, the law in the economy is that the candidate is against welfare, and against busing, and against crime, and against the rest of us.
And I think it's absolutely right.
Look at the reality, you say, of what he's listening to.
What is that?
We're going to get a post-election, too.
And what you're showing is that you carry 54% of the liberty.
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.
.
.
.
.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Entries are waiting in counties 24 to 46.
All of the new majority categories really did.
You see with the business and professional in 69 and 31, that's really not that much different from the previous ones.
Is that right?
Well, I mean to say,
Oh, I should have checked.
About 5842.
What was it this time?
6931.
That is, that is what that is.
What is the power here?
5742.
Well, that ain't bad.
It's really just saying it is in a hell of a way.
interesting to put it together, but in Harrisburg, the only other thing I've done is dirtying it.
We did, at a young point, that was the only thing we did, but we dug that up, and we've done it all this way.
Every car we've been driving, what do you think the hell we did down the road?
I think each thing might have helped us.
Each thing helped us, but also the food price issue.
The price issue, the food price issue.
I think it's another thing that may have helped with women's chances.
I think the family could have helped with that.
Because there, the admiration for the man is really an outstanding fact.
It affects women.
In a MacGyver family, it's pretty sad.
Also, I think MacGyver's sort of pristine personality might be pretty important in all this.
The masculinity of it.
But both show we did a little bit better with women.
That's good.
Just a point.
That's statistically the same.
Can't get there.
But it's important that we get that point because they all show this way behind people.
That's right.
Hurry.
The highest, even according to Captain, because he cased the front that's been heard during the campaign, he said that the Democrats were trying to oppose this.
He's just hasty to give us an answer.
He always has.
Always has.
Why?
I don't know.
But he has to acknowledge that this is the first time I've ever wanted to ask a question like this.
He did.
I said, no, no, of course you couldn't.
You see, he's got a great eye tomorrow.
We're not going to be sexual.
I remember it.
It wasn't that great.
and I did about the same with the, with what you call, what did I and R do with the, with the better, the upper income, you know, the, the Y, Y, of course you call it, and the Fence, you call it.
Yeah, and the Fence, you did the same thing.
All right, fine.
What did he do with the upper income, or whatever you have there?
Well, professional and business, that's it.
What did he do there?
I did 56, 68, 32.
Yeah, what did he do?
69, 31.
He's my friend?
Yeah.
I lost the labor union of 57 to 42.
I lost it in 61, 39, and 52.
The Democrats, Mr. Kirby, and I thought, the Democrats, you know, because actually, my question is, in 1956, you only got 58%.
They got it.
That's not true.
I thought they couldn't win by as much as you did.
Well, they got it again.
I know we can't win together.
They are all the same.
Pennsylvania .
When you mentioned the four states .
Two million, six, seven, seven.
I guess one million, six, nine, seven.
I really need to do it.
Do you think we should mark all the documents with it?
Like I said, we're not going to put them on.
It would be nice to have five or six with me.
Of course, the thing is, those in Pennsylvania are phenomenal for anything.
I don't know.
I don't know what we're going to do.
I don't think we're going to do it.
Yeah, Johnston did it.
Johnston did a hell of a big exertion for Johnston to be part of the war.
Oh yeah, that's the thing, it was the 63rd, the 53rd.
Yeah.
The English people have got their shit together.
20th, when I go to the board, give me the final big picture.
By then, the 20th is over.
By that time, there won't be any more certifications.
No, certifications are all over after the 18th.
So, unless there's something out here, it's not a really fine mistake.
The problem is they don't care.
They really don't.
He is kind of the official who knows these guys.
I mean, he's right in the center.
But how does Arizona correct that 30,000?
Who is that 30,000 supposed to go to?
That'll split the way Arizona splits them.
Well, they don't know that, so that's why it's really safe.
It may be just a mathematical mistake.
Well, it may reduce the bill a little bit.
I think that's what that does.
Yeah, that's what that does.
We carry it around a lot.
We've heard of this stuff, man.
You told me.
Now, I've been here for a little while, man.
I've been here for a little while.
I've been here for a little while.
I've been here for a little while.
Our total is about $30,000 more votes to cast there than we cast.
That's what the standard says.
That would be great.
That would help us.
It's California.
California, that's a good point.
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
The air convertible.
You realize that in California without that kind of a motion, we'd have gotten 5842 brakes in there.
That's what we would have done.
And the weapon was quite a thing.
Well, 30,000, 50,000.
For that?
For that.
What, a million?
A million.
One of these things does.
What a mission.
Right.
And they don't have a percentage.
I always thought it through in the background.
We actually, actually showed them the election we won.
In my view, if we hadn't had the peace craft, peace craft, I think we would have won in about 62.
I mean, peace craft helped the virtue of it.
I was manipulating against you.
I think we should have listened.
I think there we were urgently and by the chief.
And by, I think there too.
That's a very good study.
He called me, he said, you're kind of, he called me that Sunday.
He said, that's not your best thing.
He said, you're not going to do your best.
He said, you're, he said, I still can't do one of my 60 points.
He said, you're 20 out of 65.
You're going to turn out at 82.
At 83, you're going to do an equal thing.
That's what he said.
I wasn't going to go to 47.
That they can't change, 47.
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You haven't heard of the strategy for the second two years?
And he said it was.
And he said it was.
Correct.
The whole, the whole way.
Right.
He said that if you had a strong boy gate, he would have gone through that.
That's his, he threw a boy gate.
just because of the whole number of .
I don't know because I think that instantly would have made you personally defensive and .
And I think he had a lot of people who sat on their hands because they were men.
And I .
How was Howard's name?
I have never met him.
I don't think I should copyright him.
I'd be glad to, but I'd rather take him with me.
He would die.
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That's a movie that you sure as hell ought to see.
Name of it is The Immigrants.
It's a Swedish movie.
Can you say that?
Very fine movie.
I thought it was great.
Is this all done in Swedish?
It's all in Swedish.
It's the first time I've ever seen it to be like that.
It's great.
It's great.
It makes you realize the goddamn people who came to this country.
What they went through.
Went through a hell of a lot to get here.
That's such a well done.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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30,000 mistakes in New York.
But he also says there's 30,000 mistakes in Arizona, which may push up the same 47 states to zero.
You know, that's what you're reading.
That's 300,000.
Thank you.
Yes sir.
Right here.
later, it would be a hell of a thing.
We need a woman in a top position.
Do we have any women in the first term as undersecretary of anything?
No.
So this would be a first.
And if Pete could do it, here's a Democrat appointing him.
A Jewish woman.
She's good.
The only negative is
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I've done some checking on it today.
It's good.
Is she on our side?
He says so.
He says she's a Democrat, but she was not familiar.
Worked her way up.
It's kind of tough.
You know, this Lawrence Scheintach is quite a gal.
He's something.
I was impressed with those colleagues.
I thought he worked for a few of all the guys.
He was probably his mistress.
Quite is.
She wrote a brilliant article at the Times, an adult and the rest.
Does she want anything?
Is there anything you can give her?
She's certainly a hell of a woman.
She'd be great in the protocol business.
Now, we can't have a woman in the protocol because all the problems will be different.
But marketing protocol out, what about something else?
She's a businesswoman.
She's a judge.
She doesn't know all those people.
She hasn't arrested them.
Take her down.
I couldn't figure out.
That was her husband, the councilman.
The very guy.
No, that's the sergeant.
He's identified as one of the... She has a different name.
She has a different name.
She has a professional name.
It's the judge's name.
But yes, he's one of them.
Oh, is that your husband?
Right, but anyway, at a large time, how then could she, she could do, Dan Bugg, she could do an undersecretary.
Believe me, she was a hell of a woman.
I told you, she was a hell of a woman.
She's got a lot of shame.
A lot of shame.
So I talked to her, and there wasn't about getting her even into this.
Maybe she would want to be in the Supreme Court.
She was for this.
I can't wait for that one.
That's another friend.
You're going to read about that for a week.
I'm not going to talk, I'm not going to talk into it.
We'll be right back.
How are you?
Manolo?
Sit down.
Manolo, where have you been?
worth $3 million and still chases girls.
How would you like that $3 million to be able to chase girls later?
I'd love to do both.
I'd love to do both.
Manolo, did you ever hear of Paul Getty?
J. Paul Getty.
I called him today on his birthday.
He's 80 years old.
He's in London.
That's when I first saw him on TV about, I don't know, two months ago.
I thought he... Manolo, you know something else?
He's 80 years old.
He still chases girls.
John, I just referred to you as the black guy that's missing.
Because the UN position
There's one where we don't listen to him.
And we also want to have a one where we can have a one where we can say, I had a very good relationship with Bush.
I had a very bad relationship with others on the bench.
Now, by that, I mean an essential relationship
You're the president's ambassador, not the State Department's ambassador.
That means getting along with him.
Understand, it doesn't mean that you're going to cross everything around, but you know, you need through the system.
You also get along with the state, okay?
You have unusual capabilities.
In the U.N. delegation, I'm not referring to the people in the U.N., but you've got a bunch of nice people in the U.N. because people in the U.N., you know, we'd be honored if I hadn't been in the delegation.
I'm sure it's not the black people.
It was a lot of black men.
And those were the things that were very helpful.
Now, if that group goes out, we can do it.
We all know that beat.
We did it.
But we only got one point this week.
No, no, no.
Last time, we made a lot of time.
But I want a very candid front-runner to do it.
I have another candid front-runner to do it.
which is difficult for you as an old cover of the State Department, and consequently one of, I'm sure, the bureaucracy's old oil and so forth and so on.
I mean, they're all up in the country.
I have no question about that.
I mean, we're in a lot of this administration, and we stand for it.
That is one of the worst places in the world.
The U.N., the group up there, is a whore.
Bush did nothing about the U.N.
What you've been doing in India, I do not know.
But what we want are smart people.
But they've got to be loyalists, at least among those that are not.
In other words, they've got to be.
So, you see what I mean is, we would like you, I'd like you in the U.S., frankly, we want you for a number of reasons.
First, I think you'd be a hell of a good job.
We'd be a hell of a publicist.
and open the system and how to work with it, you see.
And you'll know if you've got a truck that's likely to pass the crime, not become the captive of the Foreign Service.
That you must not do.
You are the president's ambassador.
The UN ambassador, more than any other ambassador, is the president's ambassador.
Has to do this, you know, because you, for example, you may have news, state-of-the-art news, for example, about black Africa that are absolutely right.
in terms of what it should be 1,000 years from now.
Totally wrong, in terms of what we can do now, unless we want to land the Marines for the purpose of destroying the only country in South Africa which produces one-third of the wealth of old on the debt cut.
We can certainly do it, but we can't do that.
You see, debt cut problem, because everybody in the State Department bureaucracy
One-third of all the ambassadors in the U.N. are from Africa.
And one-half of all the ambassadors are for a policy toward Africa.
That is simply innocent and awful for us to cover the U.N. A policy toward black Africa, recently white Africa, that we cannot support.
I don't mean that you're going to not stick with it, but I want our right to have any more control over it.
To go up there and put us in a position where we're supported by it.
some nuthead who should be acquitied and all that crap, or a religion crone and so forth.
But I do mean that our ambassador there has got to play a somewhat different line.
He's got to help the British and handle the religion problem better than kick them.
He's got to try to find a way that the responsible blacks
I don't think you can find a way to live in that way.
I mean, it's a question where the temptation to demagogue and, you know, third-pointed on the issue.
If you know the UN is a place where you will have it, you have the right to change it.
One of the reasons that you are held in good faith by the Ministry of Civil Defense is just one of the reasons that you are held in good faith.
We do know that there, you've got to draw a line right down the middle.
You've got to be nice to both, recognize both are our enemies, and both are enemies of each other.
So we act as if they're friends of ours, and we play them like they really are, but being extremely careful to watch that.
The other area that is terribly important to us in the U.S. is a mess.
There's no solution for it.
You've got to appear.
The UN, of course, will have a debate on it.
You've got to hear it very, very often.
And maybe there will come a time when the UN ambassador will play an argument and the ambassador will play a role in it.
I don't want to put any illusions on it, but the meetings will probably be settled by great power in all of them at a very high level.
And that, you've got to get your own thinking.
But at the same time, make it appear that there's
When you have the kind of a vote you had on Monday, when those cannibals wouldn't even vote for a silly little resolution in regard to hijacking, it just turns off America.
You understand what I mean?
that he's always going to have a job he's doing well.
A cadet is not his father.
A cadet is a man, a good, successful man, carrying a burden.
the opportunity, possibly, that he had to stand up to some silly Russian saying, maybe, but you may.
But the point that I make is that you may have that.
As I see this, this is an opportunity for you as the ambassador to the U.N. First, you've got to get around everybody and all the rest.
You've got to act as a president.
Everybody else, you're all on our side, so forth.
We've got to be ruthless cleaning up that goddamn bureaucracy so that at least our enemies are off filing papers or in the think tank and our friends are working with them.
But you've got to work closely with us here.
And then opportunities may arise, may arise in this next year or two where you can serve
Frankly, your country's interest is on your own.
I think if you're honest with me.
But you, of course, have to buy anything in the country, so it's a better value issue than I have.
Frankly, if I were you, I would have taken a lot of things on.
I mean, you ought to go back to the U.C.
and make a lot of money and do a good business.
All my friends personally are all my enemies politically, which is really the way to look at it, but which is their right.
It's the way they intentionally approach your government.
The most important thing, though, is that in your case,
The announcement that we're sending you guys is going to raise a whole lot of chaos.
Even some reporters are going to say, John's got it.
What are we saying?
We're doing the White House.
He is a member of the National Guard and so forth.
The State Department bureaucracy, if you think they're all supporting you, look right in my face.
And it will be some of your friends in the press that you thought you were friends will piss on you.
And you'll find out who your real friends are in the press.
And I must say, Chuck was the guy, the first one that threw it in.
I think it was me, Bob.
Bob and Chuck both agreed to get it, but that's what it was.
Anyway, the assets you have are that, first, you know the business.
You know foreign policy.
You've been to Russia.
You've been to China.
You've been around the world.
Second, you've been in the administration.
We can deal with the White House and this terribly difficult relationship between the United States and the United States.
You know the bureaucracy.
And also, you know public relations and the press.
And so, for this reason, if I were you, the reason I am suggesting that you take the job, I think you should.
First of all, help us move to the White House more.
The second thing is that I didn't do
It's just, I'm curious with putting Brennan in at the later part.
That's more predictable.
I'm curious with what they're doing rather than putting in a fellow like Charlie Jones with a distinguished service, a great fellow, you know, who's literally basically just a board service and who's only doing enough for our administration.
You know, it was quite a transition, even to put our friend George Pushkin, who was a blood in the world, experienced that he had a board call.
He had none.
And so we put him up there.
And he did a damn good job, most people agree.
Now, in your case, you've had a hell of a lot of experience with board calls.
And if these idiots in the press, if they say that simply the fact that a guy's experienced a board call, if he happened to be in Congress,
And being in the White House, and traveling, if that doesn't qualify you better than some GS, or whatever the hell they are, some Foreign Service grade officer who has served in an undistinguished way, like most of our ambassadors, who are terribly undistinguished.
The most undistinguished men in the world are ambassadors for the United States of America.
Which is what they recommended.
We have three or four senile,
If they weren't senile, they were disloyal people that they wanted to put in the job.
When I say disloyal, I mean that they were the most of the department and not the ones we have today.
So what I think is that what we're doing is making them soiled.
You've got to prepare yourself for it.
You've got to be like steel.
You've got to take a lot of craft.
without the Board of Committees and some questions about this and that and the other thing.
But you'll have no, but you will murder them.
Because you're going to know more about them.
Bush did not, Bush had to go down there like an honest country boy.
He was, he said he was.
And say, well, I suppose you're always not willing.
But when these guys bring up anything, have you been to China?
You've been to Russia.
You've been to Europe.
You've been in the White House.
You've been in the State Department.
You know that.
Now, let me say, going with this, and I'm only doing this because the Jew is the seat in the camp.
We're getting rid of all the counselors.
That was a bad deal.
Honestly, you know, I'm finished.
I'm
So that's the gun.
Kennedy, I've moved out, and there's a NATO ambassador that will not be with the captain.
Eisenhower made Ross the emperor of the captain, but in a sort of a half-assed way.
In your case, you will be an emperor of the captain.
And we want you there for that purpose.
Now, what that means, frankly, is more rank than it is participation.
On the other hand, I think that you know, too, that we will see that you are properly included on what the hell we're doing.
And what we're doing here, and of course, not to worry about Rogers and his successor, whoever that is, will know that you're not going to sit down and say, we're laying in your place, which is very important.
We'll have to, if, for example, we have a security council meeting, and you call the interior of the property, you'll say, I think it's a security council meeting, but if it falls under the budget, you're the president, you will not.
You see that, I don't think.
I don't think that means you're the president.
I don't think you're the president.
So that's the offer.
The pay isn't very good, but you get a hell of a party.
And they have running blondes, and brunettes, and redheads, and men, and push, and whatever you want.
So that's the offer.
You better get up and do this.
Mr. President, first I'd like to say... You've got to say I'm very honest with you anyway.
First I'd like to say, it's been a great honor.
And I hope you like it.
And I hope you try it.
serve as your ambassador to that nation.
There will be few people who never go to New York for that position, but a few were foolish enough to go.
Great.
Another reason why I should go.
I fully recognize- Have you ever covered the U.S. enough?
Yes, I have.
Up there?
Yes, I've always worked with the Secretary of State.
I recognize, as a user, how the United Nations is a far-reaching entity, and also a necessary one, that there are nations where the United States government needs it and can use it for its own good and also to encourage
He's representative, totally loyal and responsive to the President of the United States.
There will be no Foreign Service officer, no Secretary of State.
He's going to con John Scalise, who is the President of the United States and who directs the Foreign Office.
I fully understand also, and I can work closer to him.
And I will work with him.
And I will work with him.
And I will work with him.
And I will work with him.
And I will work with him.
You don't have to about this return to ABC.
As a matter of fact, there's some discussion with Target that you should have been set up for the signing of my contract.
That's today, not tomorrow.
The letter goes that he was a good, dear man, and has made it very, very attractive for me to return to us.
No, I was going to come back as a special correspondent with a six-month tour of the world, hopefully including Chet, and then come back to cover a play called The White House.
I would draw it up.
And I was very attracted to it, and actually it was quite worth it for the director, but it was very expensive.
It never got offered to me before.
And so before...
Uh, he announced this, I would like to have some time to go to New York and tell my children to leave this and see this.
Exactly why it is that I cannot at this time.
I was thinking last night...
from the Americans of Italian descent.
You look at it, I hope you are Italian.
Yes, you are.
I thought, I say, now, John, pride yourself in your knowledge and if you think back at those of Italian descendants, try to remember who of the time that was in your chief position in this position.
Piero.
Piero was our emperor.
She was a congressman, mayor, and under.
And under, I was a detective.
And so, you know, I always thought a hero or a guard would be in the top of his head.
It shows you respect for change.
I never knew him, but that's been quite a guy.
I thought, yes, you know, God, we're good, and we're all good.
I was proud of my father to be.
I know that I upset the children.
I said, damn it, I'm not the house of thousands.
But I am proud of me.
Well, I hope so.
But I've worked my way up.
I think back to the days when I used to shine shoes for a nickel.
A camp, a camp, a camp.
I sat on pins in the rolling alley four nights a week for four years to get by with college.
I've never had any money.
I've put three dollars through college.
And I've never been afraid to work, and I'll promise you something else.
You will never find me late in my readiness to work around the clock.
Oh, I know it.
You work too hard.
You work too hard.
Okay.
Don't do too much.
So, I tell you, you don't use that enough.
I just want you to know.
Now, I tell you what, time is important here.
I'd like you to get in here first and promise me you'll go to bed.
You do that for tomorrow.
I suspect I can't because I'd like to get the announcement off before it should not be made tomorrow.
It could be made Saturday.
I'd like to catch the weekly magazine for next week.
Bob, is there any question?
I'm just trying to remember what it is.
And all the rest.
And there are a couple networks.
I'd rather have it Saturday because the events of the ban occurred.
But not tomorrow.
We can do it today, but we can't do it tomorrow.
We should do it Saturday.
Now, on the checking level, you've got to do this.
You've got to do this.
Actually, you should expect a good amount of money.
We'll also be up there until the point, or at least the end of the week.
You're free to go.
You're free to go, of course.
Go out and spend all the time you want.
The medium just takes off.
We'll just keep you on this payroll here until that begins.
That's what we do.
Yeah.
I don't have one problem with the connection, so I'll be talking to you about that.
At this time, I'm very, very committed to it.
Right, right.
And perhaps we can work out some kind of a ratio to be a healthy field on that matter too.
Right, right.
Yeah.
Well, how about that call that succeeded, that proceeded push and everything?
Yeah.
Joe's didn't have a nail.
I know, but don't, you don't have to go overboard.
You could put on a different kind of party than the other two.
Don't go out there the other way.
No, you've got to stop.
But my point is, and it should be done well.
Chief Boone and that sort of thing.
But I mean, it's a rather small thing done properly in the red.
But see that it's got to be financed.
I will say.
I don't know how much it is on my list, but we've gone into this before.
The only one thing I have to, that I have to make a condition, don't ever count on my ever speaking.
I don't think that I need that.
I think this is something that I've spoken twice.
John Farrelly will be pinching more than the rest of the United States.
Then what will be most important to the United Nations?
And other than you're going to run into there, you will run into the New York elite, and you'll have no problem with those who tell you the background.
most of them, about 60% of the forest.
Among the New York elite who shave their forests, about 65% are against us.
The East, Upper East Side crowd, the people who wait for all of our dollars, the people who are the nice, private, and the so-called better people, the jobs and the rest, will be crackling on us all the time.
I'm getting fired.
Girls, that's my idea.
Do your best with the people that count.
Don't try to, don't try to win those around.
It might be just as well to try to build a little new constituency.
We don't know.
Don't try to do, that's my point about the party then, too.
I wouldn't go in there and try to, and let's face it, the New York elite is thin, sick, rough, as many of the
And of course, in that elite, there's some very good people.
But for example, you'll take a ball that's a rough dime, like a Don Kendall, and instead of playing to David Rockefeller, maybe play to Don Kendall.
Now, Don Kendall's bigger than your actual field than David Rockefeller is today.
Now, Don Kendall didn't graduate from college, and his wife is German.
It's a hell of a lot further than that.
That's my point.
Search those guys out.
Search out.
Because they want to be legal.
You make them the legal up.
Don't, don't, don't figure, for example, John, don't figure, and here's Henry, it would be a terrible thing to do.
Uh, we're down.
That's fine.
Uh, let Don Kimball set up.
Who?
Let Don Kimball set up.
Yeah.
And downtown, and downtown, if anybody suggests so.
Let Buddy Lasker set up.
That's right.
One of our friends.
Or, or, or, or, uh, Lowell, or Regan, or Cleary.
What's his name?
Jim Cleary.
Jim Cleary.
These are our guys.
See what I mean?
Play, build an old league that they're not.
See, there's an old league, an old league, and they've all had it.
They don't know it, but they had it with me.
And I'm referring to people that, I mean, they did a great service, John McCoy, and all the others that have come.
And you should talk to that body of death instead of you.
You've got to build a new group, strong people, not completely.
See?
And you're going to have fun doing it.
Rather, in other words, rather than you're trying to break in, George Bush comes around and says, well, George was one of them.
He was bothered by the blind world and all that crap.
But the point is, the point is that George is talking about, you know, he left very hard to be a next-in-man.
They accepted him because he was bothered and because they thought he was a little rich on pensions.
So he broke into the crowd pretty well.
Understand?
That was his job, the right thing to do.
You should not go.
You make them come to you.
That hell will break into that crowd.
They're true.
So they've had an interview with the President of the United States.
Right.
And you're living there in that damn home world.
And by God, I would be a bit apologetic about it.
You see, John?
With a clear, firm voice, and those who wish the world
And also, with the press, let me say, after all the hard version, I don't really feel it.
I know you've got to work on it.
Do it.
Work on it.
But an iron, you know, a very strong, iron-slamming, non-defensive basis.
Work with the New York Daily News.
Sometimes.
ABC instead of CBS.
That's right.
That's right.
Who was that woman?
That woman that's always on?
Oh, she's good.
Or I think it's Frederick.
I'm proud of the foreign policy, and I will take it back to New Orleans.
You should know that we're having, we're still having some rough times.
Nothing's going to happen.
And we're going to have to keep the pressure on with the mine and the bomb and all that crap for a while.
But it will come.
The reason is that they're backing away, opening the partners, and pulling back.
But they're going to get away with that.
But I just want you to know, don't worry about it.
I usually handle it, and I'm all right.
I will now.
I've got nobody to correct me.
But the medicine will be the least of your problems.
It will be African.
It will be Indian.
Well, I think it's a good appointment, but if we'd like to get it done Saturday, we can.
Now, if Saturday doesn't work, Bob, Saturday is better than Monday for the reason that I, that we have to do a couple things in the election.
But I just wanted to have your announcement before that starts.
Now, you'll work it out.
The decision is made.
It's all right.
It's done.
And we don't have to have it on a great long time.
It's a very interesting job.
I did not see the social part of it.
I mean, you can be more of a... How about the social elite?
You know, you can be less of a... Well, I guess Americans are more of a...
All right.
All right, John.
You've been a loyal, selfless public servant.
That's what I want to say.
Where is it?
I heard the idea.
I just wish I'd known something.
So I'll keep going.
Is this your message?
Yeah.
This ain't going to be in the back for the rest of your life.
Correct.
What we want to talk about, too, we made the appointment.
We made the call about this.
I know you guys are really telling everybody that you're an addict and you're going down the road.
Some of you want to change.
Some of you want to change.
Two years from now, we decide if you have a life and a job, or if you're a lawyer, or if you're a lawyer, or if we decide, if you want to take the law, or if you're a secretary of state, or if you're a...
Two years.
Two years.
Okay.
Don't stay sore.
Never.
That's good.
That's good.
That's good.
That's good.
That's good.
The thing about scouting is that as compared to some of the letters that I've written, it's an unbelievable experience.
It's almost unequally unbelievable.
It's pretty impressive to see somebody sit here and say, I'm proud of you.
My mother, she had tears.
She thought, why can't some other people feel this way about me?
A lot of them did.
A lot of them did.
All right.
There are a few that they do.
There are a few that they're not as emotional or eloquent as John is.
John is a great dealer.
You know, that's something that needs to go to mass.
Unless everything is ordered out.
There's ways to get help on that.
So, that might not be a bad thing, but it might not be a bad thing at all for him to go and point it at the health authorities and the police.
Now we've got one that has a lot of action.
I hope we'll have the time.
There's a capacity there.
It's hard to believe that there really could be that, but it basically is what it is.
No, there really aren't a lot.
This is a rock country, basically, and that's your problem.
Now, first of all, this guy, the watch.
It's a real company.
Very good.
He's a vice president of Christ for Redeeming.
No, no, no.
Christ, he was the, he managed it.
He was a Democrat.
No.
Why do we have him?
Well, he had three or four Republicans.
He had that vote because he did such a good job.
Is he a biotech?
Yes, sir.
and your secretary of transportation, Bob.
No, we've got a couple more.
There's another one coming up.
This guy is the vice president of the Chrysler.
And his name was not on the list to be considered the secretary of transportation.
I don't think we're on the right track.
It's quite good.
He flew in the Chrysler plane.
I think so, too.
That's a good one.
Why didn't he say to tell them the highest post?
No, no, no, we're a company.
John, this is a higher post because he's an ambassador and an ambassador and a secretary.
Higher national post.
He considers it a higher post.
Oh, sure, yeah.
This is much more important to him than the secretary.
Okay.
And he's, you know, he's lived in the four-hour policy.
The four-hour policy.
So this is, I guess, the highest, the best way to deal with it.
It'll draw a lot of interest in speculation.
Good color.
Good color.
It looks like... Why in the hell does that bowl... ...goals offer that same kind of appeal that they're calling?
Like, do you think you can do much of a part in it?
That's what they thought it is.
They don't retain it.
No, they don't.
They don't.
I'm afraid it's part of the diet.
It's a ditch.
It doesn't have 100,000 years to get perfect on there.
Give it our own energy.
That's what it is.
I don't want them up there just as a bird climb incident.
But that's the fact that we have our fellows in the Bay and the Bay has a whole campaign.
But that's not who he was.
I don't know what I was, but I didn't see that when I was there.
But he's got something.
He's actually running an office.
He's absolutely superb.
He gets one line fixed in his mind and he uses it.
And he uses it a little bit.
And he looks good.
He entertains.
He can answer Q&A.
He never gets drafted.
They're all the same thing.
If there's a number of questions he answers, which is probably 10 times the number answered by some of those other people, he's going to recommend virtually zero percent.
Want to take a crack at that?
Yeah, no.
We've got to get along with some of those issues.
Yes.
Why not?
Let's try.
It's all good.
It's all good.
I realized that they can't have somebody that's been so late on.
That's right.
Come on, look.
Why don't they all sit at the same time?
Let me ask you this.
Chuck, you know, have a straight-up talk with him.
Let's have it on the radio.
You're going to have a match.
Why?
Is that how old I got?
He's honest.
Yes.
He's an honest reporter.
He's a goddamn good reporter.
So to respect the press, so to respect the press, that's what we're going on, isn't it?
And, uh, uh, we ask no favors, but I don't know, if you take a crack at something like that, you're always kissing the ass of the other side.
I can't, I can't hear you much.
Well, I've been here four years, and we've had to sit back down.
We've got to know where to get information.
I can't figure which is which.
I asked him, and that's what he said.
He says, where is anyone?
I said, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You've been thinking a lot about their problem.
You know what they've done.
And you say you may have noticed that every study unanimously that there's been a lot of things in CPS, which by far the most wrong care network we've seen in years.
We haven't.
We haven't.
We haven't.
We haven't.
We haven't.
We haven't.
We haven't.
We haven't.
We haven't.
They don't give a shit about what's happening.
Line 11, open door.
That's what they need.
That's what they need.
That's right.
They were all on it.
Absolutely.
Very good.
We've got to bust that open.
We've got to bust that open.
We've got to bust that open.
We've got to bust that open.
We've got to bust that open.
As soon as we finish the handshake, you know, we try to get their attention when we get them over in the inner area or something, because you want to keep them very busy.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, is that the best you've done today?
Did you like that?
Did you not like it?
It was a good model.
Yeah, it's still a little bit quick.
Well, it's really a place where I set the box, you know, all the sort of cringing.
And he said, well, I sort of figured I'd go back to private practice.
But he said, if the person wants me to do this, I'll do it.
He said, I'll do the best job I know how.
So I was like, yeah, pretty good.
But I tried to get it done.
I'm the president's man of the United Nations.
I'm not the Secretary of State's man.
I'm not the Foreign Service's man.
Then he started crying, you know, and he said, in fact, my mother, you know, was here standing there before him, certainly, and it was very, very funny.
The guy thinks, in essence, he's right, that he's receiving the highest honor that any Italian in this country has ever received.
Because he is supposed to celebrate the U.N. That's a big deal.
And, of course, the captain.
Very impressive.
I was glad to do it.
Rather than do it for one of those perks with the program service around you trying to push off something broken.
Well, I'll take it if you'll agree to the proper policy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the weakness we have is that it's true that God is supposed to be with us.
And we also, as people, we believe that God is a constant leader.
But he's a hell of a hard man that has been there.
When he goes out, right, he hasn't got anybody to support him.
So he can't cut his heart.
He can't lift a cross.
He just doesn't say it.
He doesn't know how to do that.
He doesn't.
I can't figure out what the lead is going to be on this one.
Uh, this is going to be one and a half.
And there's all kinds of stuff in here.
What would we do if you get colonized in the domestic side and left?
And then Herb is going to do a schoolyard for himself.
Herb's lying down trying to put it off.
the head of the domestic division there.
I want to be brought in with him.
Absolutely.
But the guy for the day-to-day, the analyst of Don Crossman, that we became able to stay in touch with Henry's office and all that stuff, the guy that Don hoped we could get, that both me and I have been very impressed with when we were in the Soviet Union, who Frank Shakespeare has strongly recognized as one of the few loyalists, super Nixon loyalists, for serious price, Andrew Valkyrie.
He's a hell of a guy.
Brilliant guy.
Is all the education in the Foreign Service now?
Yes, sir.
Is the Foreign Service all the way up?
Yes, sir.
State and the Foreign Service.
We may have to make them the best here or something.
But it's worth it.
It's none of a big deal.
You probably remember, he looks like a sort of a Joey Roy act.
All over European languages.
So, you know, any, even that was marvelous.
Great.
Very well-educated guy.
And, you know, brilliant.
When you're 45 years old, you want to do it.
I don't get that.
Cool.
That was, you know, that was a lot of work.
I studied for 45 years.
Every year, I did.
And today, I do it.
35 years.
One thing I really want to tell all my own
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
25 to 40 at the Senate.
30 to 45.
30 to 50.
On that general subject, I've asked your...
reconfirmation of federal judges worked every 10 years.
The Justice Department just cracked all over it.
They just don't like it.
They don't like that relationship at all.
And they've got, you know, 97 well-selected reasons why it's a bad idea.
It's just an old idea, 99 times, and so on and so on.
They didn't do the work that I asked for, so I got the bill drafted.
And why not have it come at us from the outside?
Well, I remember you said that, but you wanted somebody else to offer it.
So I'll get someone on Senate Judiciary to offer it.
Right.
Senate Judiciary, I think it ought to be thoroughly considered.
Right.
I'm not going to take a position on it right now.
Right.
And let's have a damn good debate about it.
Shake up that judiciary or something.
What do you do with your little black hair right now, Steve?
Well, Steve's going to hire her.
And if you've got anything better that you want her to do, why, I'm sure she'll do it.
I'll set up a concert.
Well, I'm not keeping her here to run PC.
Why?
To do that.
Yeah, if there was a hell of a thing, she'd be there to start it.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Start it there.
And then did you, in your appointment, apply a code to transportation?
Because there's no disability capacity there.
That said, it was a real...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think this is a better opportunity to get some qualifications.
If you're black, for Christ's sake, they know that.
I mean, you know that, John.
If you heard a rough law school record, you could put it on a district court by a woman.
That's why the Jules said, keep me over there.
You know, it's hard.
The case is just ground low, Chris.
And the arrest, or the bailout, whatever it is.
But this wall, it can't turn it up.
It can't.
Well, we have been planning in lining in front of the district staff around here, not in front of the district kind of way.
I don't know.
I really don't have a deal in mind.
That's good.
That's better.
I don't know.
That's better.
I really would rather the district got it right.
I just don't want to deal with it.
I really don't.
So I'd love to have this girl maybe go over to Steve, but could you make her a general counsel or something?
Don't knock people because they're young.
How old is she anyway?
She's about 30 years old, and she's in her 25th or 30th.
I'm not that old.
I'm not that old.
Jesus Christ, she's not young.
No matter how old she is, 25, 30, she's a regular.
Say Julie.
Julie is 24 years of age.
She called me again?
Yeah.
Oh, she called you.
I did that.
Yeah.
Both times.
Was that right?
Both times.
Yeah.
She, uh, she made the, she said, fine.
You're seeing Mark Byer?
Or who is he?
Well, she's a good girl, and we all like her.
And she likes you, and she's so enthusiastic about you.
You want some of this?
She did.
She and you would be a hell of a team if it weren't for you.
The leader changed the atmosphere.
We got a guy from the Austin Leader Council who was not either authentic or black.
Well, he's a great constitutional lawyer.
I'm sorry.
That's what he is.
And he has been John Deacon's backer for a long time on an informal basis.
His name is Dixon.
He's over here with one of the laws.
The point is, the point is, if you're looking for quality, well, as far as quality is concerned, he would have to have an amendment.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Actually, I'll tell you who came up with it.
Scallion.
Whoa.
Scallion wrote me a note.
He said he planned to leave.
The one thing that he told me the certification is was this.
I just found, for example, last night, one of the most, I remember him, he was an outstanding young man.
I didn't realize until I heard his name, Jack.
And he didn't put them on the list.
We could have picked them for transportation.
You see what I mean?
They're cars now and then, okay?
And I'm just wondering if we just have blinders on because we're locked.
You see?
Cheryl has blinders on.
Well, why do these guys stay on the list?
I think God damn Colson ought to have a badge kicked for not putting them on the list.
Thank you.
I want to put a woman and I need to leave her.
I need to leave her.
I need to leave her.
I need to leave her.
I think David will be banned from NASA, and there's no reason to keep Fletcher.
He's a very pleasant professor who's done a nice, proper job.
David would be a hell of a man in NASA.
Or do you agree?
It's a management job.
David's a management kind of fellow.
I was thinking about life pleasure.
There's obviously, you know, you're called George.
I do think there would be some symbol in having a woman scared of the wrong guy.
I just think that is a lot more than just America.
Or would you agree?
Yes, I would agree.
She's very confident in my knowledge and all that.
Thank you.
I have a question.
What is the, first of all, what's the status of government?
How would it be to put in an asset instead of a...
Good job.
Yeah, that's our story.
Okay.
I don't know.
I've been asking Bob about it all day, and everybody thought we had a lot to do.
Yeah, very interesting.
Yeah.
It's a very different attitude compared to the campaign.
We're out of the woods as far as that carpet.
My mind's made up and I'm fighting through this regardless of the opposition.
I mean, she's concerned about whether the agency wants to invest in one of those studies.
But the other was whether it was going to be designated to be part of the energy development.
No, it's not.
I mean, if it's not, then we won't.
No.
So, if it's going to be designated to be part of the agency, it's going to be like what you just said.
That's what we have to do.
That's right.
George and I talked a good deal about it.
Uh, but it's, it's been the same as, uh, Megan.
But to me, the first thing, uh, I have heard quite a bit of the word that's been out there.
Most of it is out there.
Yeah.
But, uh, Peter is, uh, Peter's very hard to deal with.
You know, I know.
Uh, but it's in the process of being done.
You know, uh, he, uh,
I have a question, just so you know, and what Jack was talking to him about is the plant security.
Our federal office says we want to buy it through the legislature, but then before that, it's a community.
And so, I mean, I feel like civil action may be the reason why I'm a professional, I think, by the right of the company, but I was a person who worked on the plant.
The driver broke down and hit someone and I couldn't notice him.
The point is that he's got a lack of management skills and he's acknowledged an inadvertent violation by the law enforcement.
The judge said it's an retaliation but it seems that the law enforcement is trying to get on his side.
58 and stuff, now you're going to put a law enforcement on his side and that's a pretty big accident for the patient.
I think that there's a lot of fun.
In 66-67 he was assessed with an efficiency of $5,000 taxed to his or her medical patient and paid with an efficiency of $68,000.
In 69 he was assessed with an efficiency of $8,000 and paid with an efficiency of $75,000.
He is a leading exponent of associations, taxes and associations.
I wish that I had an opportunity to look at it later.
He's taking business deductions for the last six years on capital deductions, which is not a good thought.
It's not a good thing.
Well, it's not for this guy.
That's what his deficiency is.
Well, I see it as a good thing.
But it's very hot.
This boy is on the next job.
Now, this is a very interesting job.
The recommendation is that we can win the fight.
But if we don't have to be aware of the fact that they give all the stuff to Colson, maybe it's not what it is.
All right.
Tell us your guess.
All right.
Tell me about this.
Jericho.
Jericho.
They use all the street lights in the back for this business.
But, uh, this is a tax lawyer.
They're always having deficiencies.
But I'll make them up for crisis.
I've got a new job.
I've got a new call.
I've actually got a lot of men who never do fine.
But these, these things, because all the drugs in America, the abrasives, they've got a hard job with the professional street lights.
We'll probably prove to them just what we need.
And then we'll test it out.
All right?
Well, I understand.
I recognize the problem.
It's good to have this information.
But I don't know if you know the reason.
Be sure you get to the Colson.
So the questioner knows.
Right.
The Colson knows.
Yeah, that's good.
I don't know if you have to do that.
Report over to the Justice Department.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I didn't know why I had to worry about it.
I didn't know why I had to worry about it.
I didn't know why I had to worry about it.
I didn't know why I had to worry about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's one possibility.
Another is still part of it, but that's right here now.
What I want is somebody who will go in and cut back the staff for $9 million.
I really have to have
You'll have a Democratic senator actually come in and challenge me.
Well, if they're a challenge, then he said, Mr. President, these people are your enemies.
Are we ever going to listen to him?
We've got another guy that doesn't admit to this, but has no qualifications.
Actually, this would be a tough one to federalize, and has the credentials of knowing it.
Another one who has the credentials has not the same ability to look stuff up.
That's all kind of scientific today.
I mean, it's not very good to make all this cover.
I think it would be bragging all over.
And I would, if I could, Jackson, but I'm just going to say that.
Jackson, the MRN is listening to you.
Jackson, why don't you do your opposite?
Jackson, here's the, here's the, here's the, here's the, here's the, here's the, here's the, here's the, here's the,
It's been more political.
It's been very effective in defending our position.
And as you run to this, let's take an operation.
Let's do that.
What's that one?
Can't be.
Can't be.
He said, well, he can't be in.
Could he?
Could he find out?
Could he just find out whether or not he's going to go in?
I think that's pretty good.
One of those is Carlos Wolf.
Whether he's going to go in.
And chopped the heads off.
That is terribly bad, everybody.
Terribly bad.
I've just got to get out of this thing.
Get those bastards out of there.
I don't know if I have a light on, but he's cool.
Do you care about the director of that?
We're working on the general counsel.
I just have a feeling that he's so skillful as a lieutenant in the Congress, so totally loyal that he'd be better than the 88 if he got some other evidence.
No, he won't get it.
Listen, you don't have to punch that guy.
Scott's office.
He has his office.
He's got to let everybody else come in.
Scott pitched me on a kind of a funny way to laugh.
He said, well, I don't know, maybe I need four hours of hurting to be able to shut up.
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Well, all I know is that you want them to have something to do with it.
I just want you to catch up with Morgan.
I just want you to tell him just the hours.
He has to stand up to that.
We should see where he's at.
We should see where he's at.
We should see where he's at.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're working through them and getting to the rest of it.
Yeah, there's that third level.
We're just kind of trying to get it down to it.
Yeah, I think so.
I think that's what we're trying to find out.
The third level is probably to keep the customer under control.
You've got to figure out what you're going to do.
Action says you'd rather not keep it under control.
A lot of issues.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know what you're talking about.
He's got a lot of good backup.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Oh, Lord, I'm afraid for the black country.
And that's that.
I've got another guy who is, he's, uh, he had a select operator, uh, Western Hemisphere operation here at the lab.
He was an SSL officer, and then, I'm not sure,
I'm going to go ahead and send it to them.
I'm going to send it to them.
I'm going to send it to them.
The first is that he is her husband.
So if you're 321, you're in the 430 question, if you want to get away from them.
I tend to work there because they're wherever I am.
And if you do it, I can't pay for it there, but I can pay for it there.
I can't pay for it there.
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We take care of horses.
We have a bunch of problem jobs here that I have to face.
Whether it's a little hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot.
... ... ... ...
We'll go ahead and do those $10,000 in budget cuts.
On the premise that
You can go over to supplemental and go over it to the right.
Right.
These are issues with the echo strength.
Echo strength is 74, but it's the echo strength, right?
And, uh, I think other things here, I think really what we have to do is
But that is my .
Are they ready to talk about it?
Yeah.
I'll tell you what he's got to say.
I'm glad you got that.
Very good.
Some of you will wonder what you ever did the first four years.
It was a matter of fact when Brian was a kid, sometimes we served at it.
You're going to get it.
It was an interesting part, wasn't it?
I think he's putting himself in a position where he's getting out.
I'm curious to see how he's going to play.
He will be.
I just wondered whether or doing that,
And I think he ought to lift the bar to his head to a policy that's right there in the left.
And he'll do that next week.
I think it would be two or three of those, but he's going to be in the seatbelt at that point.
Now, I've done what you suggested, and I've had some work done on this, on this whole thing.
And he's going to be on Twitter.
We had a door earlier late on the very decision.
I think that this guy was summarized.
The first one on here is pretty well.
Here he is.
So, yeah.
I don't think it's better because they need to do that, but I think as soon as the college gets in town, that Hawaii would need that.
Then you can ask for congressional consultation.
Oh, sure.
Sure.
That's what I said to Spencer.
I think we've gotten to ask for congressional consultation.
That's what we're doing.
Just want you to know about it.
We're ready to make the same.
I think that, you know, the second, third, fourth, fifth along there, at least I think that it needs to see the Congress on the subject matter rather than just opposing it alone.
I mean, like, Jerry Ford's having a pretty funny, cozy little breakfast with the Republicans.
I know you want to, too, but it's very sad that we can't do that for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You aren't supposed to look at me like that.
Well, I'm honest with you, I know you.
If you do a lot of that, you're bound to look at me like that.
Now listen, all my credit, and the point that I make with this, really, I'm not trying to justify it, but it's very, very, very serious.
You've got to step hard on that, you know.
They all get into office every afternoon at 5 o'clock.
I should drop by.
The president should drop by and have a few drinks with the boys.
Every afternoon.
Well, the number of actions I can look into that.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
We've come down there, they're attached.
You know, the thing is, they all have.
They have won, and we have lost them.
And what they've got to get through their heads is that we've won.
And what they stood for, we've won.
I didn't know that, did you know that even, did you perceive me when I said it to you?
No, I didn't.
I was 100 miles away.
One of the two of you is out of staff today.
I don't think it's the president.
I got some questions upstairs on that section.
What did you say?
Well, one said that the president feels that he has a mandate to talk welfare reform, work for welfare reform.
I got a question about what we've done in the first four years for minority.
I want to know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I go out.
People like that, I don't see the goal.
That's true.
That's what I'm thinking.
A 60-year-old with a goal, that's fine.
But there's just going to be those guys in the air, most of them out there.
Both of them would be genuine investors.
Correct.
Correct.
Good to know.
Okay.
And the two blacks are a little different.
It's on a 10% increase.
That's pretty confident.
That's really good.
And Ego and Jeopardy is right on top.
That's what I agree.
Great.
HRH to Ecuador.
That's it.
Thank you.