{"conversationCode":"384-005","tapeNumber":384,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-384-005","startDateTime":"1972-12-14T18:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-14T19:09:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Dec-1972","startTime":"1:39 PM","endDate":"14-Dec-1972","endTime":"2:09 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On December 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:39 pm and 2:09 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 384-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 384-5\n\nDate: December 14, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 1:39 pm and 2:09 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.\n\n       The President's schedule\n            -1973 Inauguration\n            -Meeting with Kissinger and Alexander M Haig, Jr.\n                  -Timing\n\f                                            -37-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["384-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"384-004","nextCode":"384-006","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":4.95,"text":"All right."},{"start":4.97,"end":21.95,"text":"I have, there's no urgency in time because I'm working a lot of year-end time and stuff."},{"start":21.97,"end":24.89,"text":"But I'd like to have another burger round with you and Al sometime this afternoon."},{"start":24.91,"end":25.09,"text":"Anytime."},{"start":25.25,"end":26.17,"text":"Shall we say 2.30?"},{"start":32.3,"end":34.48,"text":"Or it could be 3.30."},{"start":36.1,"end":37.87,"text":"3.30 is fine."},{"start":38.35,"end":41.93,"text":"Well, then make it fine."},{"start":41.95,"end":44.26,"text":"Well, no, 2.30 is fine."},{"start":44.28,"end":44.98,"text":"No, no, 2.30 is fine."},{"start":45,"end":45.32,"text":"2.30 is fine."},{"start":45.34,"end":47.77,"text":"And you will call him and delay him right at the time."},{"start":47.87,"end":47.92,"text":"OK."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger coordinated their schedules to arrange a follow-up meeting later that afternoon with Alexander Haig. The discussion focused on confirming the timing for this tripartite session, ultimately settling on 2:30 p.m. Kissinger was tasked with notifying Haig of the scheduling adjustment.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Henry Kissinger","Alexander Haig","White House administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:44:44.470Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","henry-kissinger","alexander-haig","white-house-administration"],"audioDurationSec":55,"audioFiles":[{"file":"384-005.mp3","bytes":1325342,"durationSec":55.08,"bitrate":192497,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:45.437Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:30.842Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/384-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/384-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/384/conversation-384-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}