{"conversationCode":"385-013","tapeNumber":385,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-385-013","startDateTime":"1972-12-11T22:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-11T22:14:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Dec-1972","startTime":"5:10 PM","endDate":"11-Dec-1972","endTime":"5:14 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On December 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:10 pm and 5:14 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 385-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 385-13\n\nDate: December 11, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 5:10 pm and 5:14 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with an unknown person.\n\n       The President’s schedule\n              -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n                      -Helene (Colesie) Drown\n              -Conversation with Alexander M Haig, Jr.\n\nThe unknown person left at an unknown time before 5:14 pm.","filename":["385-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"385-012","nextCode":"385-014","transcript":[{"start":0.35,"end":6.73,"text":"So it's kind of inspiring for you to learn more about it."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with an unidentified individual to discuss his upcoming schedule and personal appointments. The brief discussion addressed planned interactions with Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Helene Drown, as well as a scheduled conversation with Alexander M. Haig, Jr. No major policy decisions were recorded during this brief administrative briefing.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Julie Nixon Eisenhower","Helene Drown","Alexander M. Haig Jr.","White House administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:46:39.818Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","julie-nixon-eisenhower","helene-drown","alexander-m-haig-jr","white-house-administration"],"audioDurationSec":11,"audioFiles":[{"file":"385-013.mp3","bytes":277731,"durationSec":11.43,"bitrate":194444,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:45.437Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/385-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/385-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/385/conversation-385-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}