Conversation 387-004

On December 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Col. Richard T. Kennedy, White House operator, Charles W. Colson, unknown person(s), Manolo Sanchez, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Tricia Nixon Cox met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 8:10 am to 9:50 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 387-004 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 387-4

Date: December 5, 1972
Time: 8:10 am - 9:50 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Col. Richard T. Kennedy.
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Vietnam negotiations
     -Henry A. Kissinger's report from Paris
           -Kennedy's conversation with Kissinger
     -Meeting
           -Timing
     -Kissinger’s outlook
     -Congressional relations
     -Prisoners of war [POWs]
     -Nguyen Van Thieu
           -Congressional relations
                  -Funding for US aid to South Vietnam
     -South Vietnam’s position
           -US withdrawal for POWs
     -North Vietnam’s position
           -US withdrawal for POWs
           -Cessation of US bombing, mining
           -Congressional relations
                  -Cut off of US military funds
                        -Continuation of war
                              -US bombing, mining
                                   -Timetable
           -Settlement agreement
     -Kissinger’s conversation with Kennedy
           -Postponement of meeting
           -Kennedy’s conversation with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
     -Kennedy’s conversation with Dobrynin
           -Kissinger’s conversation with Dobrynin
           -October 26
           -Dobrynin’s message to North Vietnamese
                  -Moscow
                  -Reply
     -Soviet Union’s role
           -US-Soviet Union relations
                  -Breakdown in talks
     -People’s Republic of China [PRC] role
     -Timetable
           -Congressional reconvention
           -US bombing of North Vietnam
                  -Air Force
     -US bombing of North Vietnam
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                    -Effect on US-PRC and US-Soviet Union relations
                          -North Vietnam’s posture
                                -Dobrynin
                                -Compared to March 30, 1972
                                      -Intransigence
                                      -US-South Vietnam relations
                                      -US-Soviet Union summit
                                             -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                                                  -The President’s meeting with Nikolai S.
                                                    Patolichev
                                                         -North Vietnam’s offensive
             -Settlement agreement
                    -Enforcement
                    -October 8, 1972 agreement
                          -North Vietnam
                          -Possible effect on Thieu
                                -Press relations
                                      -Late October 1972
                                      -Withdrawal of North Vietnamese troops from South
                                        Vietnam
                                             -North Vietnam’s March 30, 1972 invasion
                                -Withdrawal of North Vietnamese troops from South Vietnam
                                      -North Vietnam
                                      -US public opinion
                                             -POWs
                                             -Cease-fire
                                             -Louis P. Harris poll
                                                  -Kissinger
                                                  -Settlement agreement

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 8:10 am and
8:26 am.

[Conversation 387-4A]

[See Conversation No. 34-17]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Vietnam negotiations
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               -White House polls
                    -US withdrawal
               -Congressional relations
                    -Michael J. Mansfield
                    -Committees
                          -Organization
                          -Meetings
                          -Statements
                    -US military action
                          -Recess
               -US bombing of North Vietnam
                    -Psychological effect
                          -Compared to military effect
                                -The President’s plan
                                       -Compared to the Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS] plan
                                       -B-52s
                                            -Civilian targets
                                -Timeframe
                                -Pace
                                -Cambodia
                                -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                                -US bombing, mining
                                       -North Vietnam’s reserves

The President talked with Charles W. Colson between 8:26 am and 8:27 am.

[Conversation No. 387-4B]

[See Conversation No. 34-18]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Polls
               -Colson

       Vietnam negotiations
            -US military action
                 -Kennedy’s conversation with Kissinger
                        -Messages
            -Kennedy’s communications with Kissinger
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                     -Open line
                           -“Double talk”
                           -Soviet Union
                           -France
                     -Secure line
                           -Embassy chancery
                                 -Residence
               -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s possible trip to Saigon
                     -The President’s conversation with Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo

Colson entered at 8:29 am.

       Polls
               -Colson

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Harris polls
                  -Settlement agreement
                         -Cease-fire
                               -South Vietnam
                  -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
                         -Peace
                         -Communists
                  -POWs
                  -Cease-fire
                         -International supervision
                  -National Council of National Reconciliation and Concord [NCRC]
                         -South Vietnam
                         -Representation
                               -Communists
                         -Election
                         -Thieu
                  Peace treaty
                         -POWs exchange
                  -Settlement agreement
                         -Thieu
                               -Withdrawal of North Vietnamese troops from South Vietnam
                               -Relations with US
                  -Cease-fire in place
                         -Compared to North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
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                   -“Doves”
                         -George S. McGovern
      -Settlement agreement
             -Terms
                   -Compromise
             -Violation by Communists
             -US bombing of North Vietnam
                   -Effect
-October 1972 agreement
      -North Vietnam
             -Changes
                   -Kissinger
      -Changes
             -Thieu
                   -Withdrawal of North Vietnamese troops from South Vietnam
                   -NCRC
                         -Governmental compared to administrative function
                         -Interpretation
                         -Veto
                   -Withdrawal of North Vietnamese troops from South Vietnam
                         -South Vietnamese military action
-Cease-fire
      -North Vietnam’s interest
             -Victory
                   -Thieu
             -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
                   -Thieu
                         -Vietcong [VC]
-Kissinger
      -Instructions
      -Morale
      -Outlook
             -October 8, 1972 agreement
                   -1972 election
                   -Consultations with South Vietnam
      -Option two
-Continuation
-Breakdown
      -US bombing of North Vietnam
             -Pace
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-US bombing of North Vietnam
      -Weather
      -20th Parallel
      -Weather
             -B-52s
         th
      -20 Parallel
             -Surface to air missiles [SAMs]
                   -Shift
                   -B-52s
                          -Protection
      -B-52s
             -Hanoi
                   -Weather
                   -SAMs
             -North Vietnam
                   -Plan
                          -Timing and duration
                                -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
             -Loss
                   -SAM
                   -Airmen
                          -Bail-out
             -Haiphong, Hanoi
                   -Distinguished Flying Crosses
                          -Air Force
                          -Oak leaf medals
                          -Navy
                   -Plan
                          -Timing
                          -Kennedy’s conversation with Moorer
                                -The President’s conversation with Moorer
                                      -Secretary of Defense [Melvin R. Laird], JCS
                                      -Timing
                                      -Breakdown in talks
-Kissinger’s report
-Meeting
      -Timing
             -Postponement
-Kissinger’s report
      -Kennedy’s call to Kissinger
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                   -Kennedy’s possible call to Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                   -Kennedy’s call to the President
                         -The President’s schedule
                               -Executive Office Building [EOB]
             -Possible messenger to Kissinger
             -Kissinger’s possible return for consultations with the President
                   -Duration
                   -Effect
                         -Breakdown in talks
                               -Speculation

Kennedy left at 8:45 am.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Harris poll
                   -Question
                          -Thieu’s position
                   -Settlement agreement
                          -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
                   -Coalition government
                          -Elections
                   -Reconciliation
                          -Elections
                                -Offer
                                       -Coalition government
                                       -NCRC
                                             -Functions
                                       -North Vietnam
                                -Communist-held areas
                   -Xerox copy
            -North Vietnam’s position
                   -Tone
                   -October 8, 1972 agreement
                   -October 26, 1972 agreement
            -South Vietnam’s position
            -Settlement agreement
                   -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
                          -Legal right
                   -US public opinion
                   -Thieu
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                  -South Vietnamese
                       -Non-communist government
             -Breakdown

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 8:45 am.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Kissinger’s message

The President and the unknown person left at an unknown time after 8:45 am.

The President entered at an unknown time before 8:56 am.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -North Vietnam’s position
                 -Tone

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 8:45 am.

       Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 8:56 am.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Public relations [PR]
            -Breakdown
                  -Kissinger’s recommendations
                         -The President’s possible television [TV] appearance
                               -The President’s November 3, 1969 speech
                               -Cambodia
                               -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                               -US bombing of North Vietnam
                                    -Hanoi, Haiphong
                                           -Settlement agreement

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 8:45 am.

       Item for the private file

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 8:56 am.
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       Vietnam negotiations
            -Breakdown
                 -Kissinger’s recommendations
                        -The President’s possible TV appearance
                             -Translation problems
                        -    -US bombing of North Vietnam
                                   -Duration
                                          -Settlement agreement
                             -Kissinger’s possible return
                             -Kissinger’s possible statement
                                   -Stalemate
                                          -North Vietnam’s intransigence
                             -1972 election
                             -Action

Kennedy talked with the President between 8:56 am and 8:59 am.

[Conversation No. 387-4C]

[See Conversation No. 34-19]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Settlement agreement
                   -Kissinger’s efforts
                         -1972 election
                               -The President’s conversations with Kissinger
                               -Polls
                         -October 8, 1972 agreement
                               -Saigon
                                      -Paris
                                             -North Vietnamese
                                      -Thieu
                         -1972 election
                               -The President's conversation with Kissinger
                               -North Vietnam’s message, November 4, 1972
                                      -McGovern
                         -PR
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                             -Kissinger’s “peace is at hand” statement
                                   -North Vietnam’s publication of settlement agreement
                                   -The President’s address, “Look to the Future”
                                   -Kissinger’s credibility
                                   -North Vietnamese reneging
                                         -US reneging
            -Breakdown
                 -Kissinger’s recommendations
                       -The President’s possible TV appearance
                       -The President’s credibility
                             -The President’s address, “Look to the Future”
                                    -Kissinger
                       -Timing
                             -Christmas
                             -1972 election
                             -Playoffs
                       -Tone
                       -The President’s credibility
                             -“Peace is at hand”
                                    -The President’s address, “Look to the Future”
                                          -Timing
                                               -1972 election
                       -Press relations
                             -Kissinger

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 9:01 am.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Breakdown
                  -Kissinger’s recommendation
                        -The President’s possible TV appearance
                              -PR
                                   -Anti-war sentiment
                                   -POWs
                                          -Christmas
                                          -US mining, bombing of North Vietnam
            -Kissinger’s message
                  -Haldeman’s reading
                        -Tone
                        -Content
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Haldeman left at an unknown time before 9:43 am.

       Press relations
             -New York Times article on monograph, “The Dirtiest Campaign in History Against
               a President”
                    -1972 campaign
                          -The President’s conversation with Patrick J. Buchanan
                    -Distribution
                          -Mailings
                                -Editors
                                -Republican leaders
                                -Congressmen
                                -Purpose
                                      -Frank F. Mankiewicz
                                      -Historical record
                                -Editors
                          -Newspapers
                          -Mailings
                                -James Schurz
                                -James Keogh
             -Monographs
                    -“Things They Would Like to Forget”
                    -“RN Won It!”
                          -McGovern
                    -Reaction
                    -Double standard
                    -Schurz
                          -Distribution
                                -Mailings
                                      -Letter
                                      -1972 campaign
                                      -Publishers
                    -New York Times
                    -Time
                    -Washington Post
                          -Unknown person
                                -Columbia University
                                -Assistant
                                -Research
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      Democratic National Committee [DNC]
          -Robert S. Strauss
          -Buchanan
                 -Governors
          -Edmund S. Muskie
          -McGovern
                 -Statement
                       -1972 election
          -Governors’ endorsements
          -Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Onassis [?]
          -Southerners
          -Labor
          -Jews
          -Labor
                 -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
                 -Peter J. Brennan
                       -William S. White

      Republican National Committee [RNC]
           -Chairman
           -South
                 -Southern strategy
                      -Brennan
                      -Blacks
                      -Busing
                      -Welfare

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      Press relations
            -Monographs
                   -Buchanan
                   -“Things They Would Like to Forget”
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Vietnam negotiations
     -Breakdown
          -Kissinger’s recommendation
                 -The President’s possible TV appearance
                      -Settlement agreement
                             -Polls
                                    -Republicans
                                    -George H. Gallup
                                    -Harris
                                    -Gallup
                                          -Cease-fire
                                    -Harris
                      -Public opinion
                             -McGovernites
                             -POWs
                             -Stock market
                             -POWs
                      -Kissinger’s credibility
                             -The President’s conversation with Haldeman
                             -Kissinger’s message
                             -Compared to the President’s credibility
                             -“Peace is at hand”
                             -Settlement agreement
                                    -North Vietnam
                                          -US bombing
                             -Compared to the President’s credibility
                                    -The President’s address, “Look to the Future”
                                          -“Peace is at hand”
                                    -1972 election
                                          -Peace
                                          -Settlement agreement
                                                 -Politics
                                                 -“Peace is at hand”
                      -December 6, 1972 talks
                             -Kissinger
                      -Haldeman’s view
                             -PR
                                    -US bombing of North Vietnam
                                          -Pace
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                 -Translation problems
                 -Kissinger’s possible statement
                       -Backgrounder
                       -Briefing
                       -Previous negotiations
                       -Translation problems
                       -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
                       -Thieu
                       -Settlement agreement
                       -Tone
                              -Kissinger’s emotions
                                    -Mea culpa
                                    -Resignation
                                          -The President’s trips to the PRC and the
                                           Soviet Union
                                          -Berlin
                                          -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty
                                           [SALT]
                              -North Vietnam
-Withdrawal of US forces
     -Thieu
     -Residual forces
     -US-North Vietnam bilateral deal
     -South Vietnam
           -Thieu
     -Kissinger
-Breakdown
     -Kissinger’s recommendation
           -The President’s possible TV appearance
                 -Escalation
                 -Kissinger’s return from Paris
                       -Settlement agreement
                              -North Vietnam
                 -Kissinger’s possible statement
                       -Backgrounder
                 -North Vietnam’s possible statement
                       -Settlement agreement
                              -Thieu
                 -North Vietnam
                       -Kissinger’s possible statement
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                -PR
                       -Withdrawal of US forces
-Withdrawal of US forces
     -Announcement
           -Timing
                 -Christmas
           -North Vietnam
           -Casualties
     -Timing
           -POWs
                 -US bombing and mining of North Vietnam
                 -Residual forces
                 -Connally’s view
                 -Residual forces
-Breakdown
     -Kissinger’s possible statement
           -Kissinger’s credibility
                 -“Peace is at hand”
           -Kissinger’s press relations
                 -Press conferences
                       -William P. Rogers
                       -Mistakes
                       -Consultations
                              -Haig
                              -The President
                                    -Points
                                    -Process
                              -Briefing
                 -Oriana Fallaci interview
                       -Effect
     -Kissinger’s recommendation
           -The President’s possible TV appearance
                 -North Vietnam
                 -The President’s previous statements
                 -PR
                       -Press relations
                              -Christmas
                              -POWs
                                    -Families
                       -Stock market
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                       -Washington, DC
-PR
      -David T. Dellinger
            -Chicago Seven
                  -Demonstrations
                  -Christmas vigil
                  -1973 Inauguration
                         -Press relations
                         -1968
                  -Mobilization
      -Issues
            -Vietnam War
                  -Ground troops
                  -TV
                  -Draft
                         -Volunteer armed forces
                         -Casualties
                         -Airplanes
                               -Aircraft carriers
                  -TV
                         -Girl
                               -Napalm
      -Kissinger’s possible TV statement
            -North Vietnamese
            -National honor
      -Demonstrations
            -Mobilization
                  -Dellinger
      -1972 election
            -McGovern
      -The President’s possible TV appearance
            -Kissinger’s view
                  -North Vietnam
            -The President’s possible conversation with Dobrynin
                  -Tone
            -Press relations
                  -Kissinger’s view
                         -The President’s press conferences
                               -Effect on the enemy
            -Effect on Dellinger and anti-war activists
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                             -Effect on the enemy

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           -1972 election
                -McGovern
                -Margin of victory
                -Congressional relations

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      The President’s schedule
           -National Governor’s Conference
                 -Compared to Republican Governors Conference
                        -Agnew’s attendance

      Vietnam negotiations
           -Breakdown
                 -Kissinger’s recommendation
                        -The President’s possible TV appearance
                              -POWs
                                    -Possible executions
                                          -US response
                              -North Vietnam
                                    -Reaction
                                    -PR
                                          -Expectations
                                    -Congressional relations
                                          -US aid to South Vietnam
                                                -Cut off
                                    -The President’s message to Thieu
                                          -Communists, spies
           -Kissinger’s view
                 -Settlement agreement
                        -Difficulty
                              -North Vietnam
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                                 -US staying in war
                            -South Vietnam
                                 -US withdrawal

      New establishment
           -The President’s recent conversation with Haldeman
           -Colson’s role
                 -Labor
                 -Democrats
                        -Italian-Americans
           -Blacks
                 -John D. Ehrlichman
                 -Leonard Garment
           -Press relations
           -Business community

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                 -1972 election
                 -The President’s supporters
                       -Top 100 contributors
           -Press
                 -Editors
                       -The President’s supporters
           -Peter M. Flanigan
           -Updated lists
                 -1972 campaign
                 -Distribution
           -Colson’s responsibility
           -Haldeman’s role
           -Flanigan
           -Colson’s meetings
                 -Flanigan
                 -Frederic V. Malek
                 -Donald McI Kendall

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                                                                 Conversation No. 387-4 (cont’d)

      White House social affairs
           -Invitations
                 -Rose Mary Woods
                        -Colson
                        -Parties
                              -Blair House
                        -Church services
                        -State dinners
                        -Quotas
                              -Blair House
                              -Friends, military, Cabinet officers, Congress
                 -Congressional relations
                        -William E. Timmons
                        -Ronald L. Ziegler

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                        -The President’s supporters
                             -Southerners
                             -Republicans
                        -Colson’s responsibility
                             -Republicans
                                    -1972 election
                                    -Charles McC. Mathias, Jr.
                                    -Charles H. Percy
                             -Southerners
                             -Mathias
                  -Agnew
                  -Paul Hall
                  -Kendall
                  -David Packard
                  -Los Angeles
                        -Edward W. Carter [?]
                  -Chicago
                  -Ohio
                  -Florida
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                      -1972 election vote
                -Democrats for Nixon
                      -Southern strategy
                           -Harry S. Dent
                -John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
                      -The President’s box
                           -Political supporters
                                  -White House staff
                                  -Cabinet

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      Second term reorganization
           -Leaks
                 -Peter G. Peterson
                 -John N. Mitchell
                        -Kevin Phillips’s article
                              -Frederic V. Malek
                                     -Cabinet
                                     -Personnel
                                     -Under Secretaryship
                 -James T. Lynn
                 -Peterson
                        -Trade
                 -Commerce Department
                        -South
                              -Archibald K. Davis of North Carolina
                                     -Wachovia Bank
                              -Frederick B. Dent of South Carolina
                                     -Textile industry
                                     -Republican Party
                 -Phillips’s article
                        -Buchanan
                 -Mitchell
                 -Washington Post
                 -Washington Star
                        -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
           -Rogers
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                   -John A. Scali
                         -1972 election
                              -Italian-American vote
                         -Background
                              -Education
                                     -Boston University
                                     -Canton, Ohio

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             -George H. W. Bush
                  -Compared to Rogers

       1972 election
            -Voters
                   -Italian-Americans
                          -Percentage
                   -Catholics
                          -Percentage
                          -Italian-Americans
                          -Irish-Americans
                          -New York
            -Harris poll
                   -Results

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Colson left at 9:43 am.

       Second term reorganization
            -Leaks
                  -Haldeman’s reaction
                  -Peterson
                        -Washington Post article
                             -Haldeman’s conversation with Ziegler
                                  -George P. Shultz
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                               -Economics “czar” position
                               -Shultz’s conversation with Peterson
                               -Haldeman’s conversation with Ziegler
                                     -Washington Post
                                           -Washington Star
                                           -David S. Broder

Tricia Nixon Cox talked with the President between 9:44 am and 9:45 am.

[Conversation No. 387-4D]

[See Conversation No. 34-20]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Second term reorganization
            -Leaks
                  -Peterson
                        -Washington Post article
                             -Ziegler
                        -Compared to Dent
                        -Opportunism
                             -Frank F. Church
                  -Cabinet and White House staff
                        -Unknown man
                        -Loyalty

       The President’s schedule
            -California
                  -Kitchen work
                         -Deadline
                              -Herbert W. Kalmbach
                              -Pool
            -Camp David
            -White House
            -Reception for California administration officials
                  -Dinner
                         -The President’s attendance
                              -Camp David
                              -Cocktails
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                            -Dress
                                 -Business suit
     -White House
          -Vietnam negotiations
                -Kissinger
                -US military action
                      -Plans
                            -Moorer
     -Camp David
          -Ziegler’s announcement
          -Compared to White House
                -Vietnam negotiations
                      -Kissinger’s return from Paris
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      -The President’s conversation with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
            -Lucy A. Winchester
                   -Stephen B. Bull
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                   -Haldeman’s role
                   -Mrs. Nixon
                   -Edward C. Nixon [?]
                   -Talking paper
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      -Tree lighting ceremony
            -The President’s role
            -1971
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                   -Radio message
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                 -Ehrlichman’s presence
                        -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III.
                        -HUD
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           -Kissinger’s meetings with the President
           -Ehrlichman’s meetings with the President
           -Agnew’s meetings with the President

      Watergate
           -John J. Sirica
                 -Handling of case
                        -[Pre-trial conference, December 4, 1972]
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          -Edward M. Kennedy
          -Subpoenas
          -Staff investigations
          -Mitchell’s efforts with James O. Eastland

Second term reorganization
     -Peterson
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           -Ambassadorship to Iran
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                        -Joseph S. Farland
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       The President’s schedule
            -White House
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                  -Helene (Colesie) Drown
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I thought it was about three o'clock.
You said you were going to be sending someone off, but it's 3 o'clock right now.
3 o'clock, 9 o'clock, 6 o'clock, you know.
It's not all bad.
I can see Jack and Rich.
They originally scheduled a meeting today at 3, 4, 3.
We're going to have a night there, right?
So, by the view, it's going to be very close to home.
You've got to use your eyes.
Both of them.
It's very hard.
You've got to handle it.
And this thing is not going to work.
You've got to use the spirit of it.
It's not going to work.
You've got to use reality.
It's not going to work.
It's not going to work.
You've got to use the spirit of it.
It's not going to work.
We all know what we can do with it.
I don't understand that.
He knows his water's cut off.
I think he's in no way, I mean, the tires are cut off in two weeks, Mike.
And I mean, Mike, he appears to be the culprit.
That's the reason, he's got to be the reason.
I mean, he understands that.
Plus, the latest suggestion, I'm saying to you, but so I can honestly say,
to indicate that they would go along with us in a withdrawal for prisoners.
All right.
Support us all the way.
While they go on working things out with the other side, try to get the things they need.
It wouldn't be too bad.
It wouldn't be as good as it ought to be.
But it's coming.
They're coming with that.
But it's supposed to take the control of 9, the control of 10, the control of 3, the control of 5, the 1st, and the 1st.
Right?
Then, see what they assume is clear, and what they think is not clear, and where they continue to trust the war.
That's what's happening.
That's what's happening with the 1st, the 2nd, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the
They'll die.
That's why, too, that's why, that's why, why sometimes they bring them out and they sign.
So, we have no good option.
So, after all, did Henry have any comment on the idea of...
He was still on me.
All he told me about was to be sure that I had.
As necessary, I assured him that we certainly had.
And so I called to bring in a game, and Henry requested, even at that hour, just to underline.
How do you underline that?
I just wanted to be sure that Jeffrey stood very clearly that Henry had gone ahead justice as he and Bill Green had gone in terms of the presentation of our positions in Bullsdale.
And it was in the face of that, on the other side.
An absolute black man refused to consider it.
And in fact, I'm back with him on the 6th.
Well, wait a minute.
I think, uh, well, he understood that to start with.
Uh...
If an actor wants to climb off, he can.
And he, uh, he said, well, he had sent his message off.
He had just admitted it.
He... then, the way...
But by the time we were up this morning, we had some sort of reply to that.
But there's no question.
The call did authorize the seriousness.
He came, well, he came on Thursday.
And the other thing, the other point that is very important is that by letting the Russians know now, we should have counted on them, and then when they catch them,
We laid the foundation, in other words, and that's also a dynamic discussion.
And some of you, of course, you don't want to have to say that, but some of you break it down.
We're now going to lay the foundation, and that's the reason why I should be here.
It's worth a pause to say that I have minimal confidence, especially with the Chinese and the Russians, putting their arms around us.
But yet again, we don't know.
But what really concerns me more than anything else is the congressional hearing that we've got about three weeks before Congress.
It ends.
We've bought the hell out of that three-week period.
Goddamn, they're the worst people on this planet.
On the other hand, what concerns me is the fact that that has on our relations with the bigger game, with the right, with the Chinese.
That's to see what I can do about it.
Was there a reaction on that?
Well, I had done this stuff before.
Both of them.
I can't believe that they didn't come in.
without a very clear impression of what Hanoi had conveyed to Macau or to Macau and whatever Hanoi was going through.
I think we may well be back in the same situation as we were on March 13th, if these people actually do hold now this totally unjudgmental line.
Both the Chinese and the Russians are going, once again, to have been crossed by their planes and are crossed by arms.
But not quite so viciously as it is.
It was no doubt that the Russians were very, very upset.
Yeah, they didn't want anything to happen.
Yeah, they didn't want that to happen because they didn't want that to screw up something.
There was a bigger game being played.
They did not want that to happen.
I think it's probably true.
I think it may well be true again.
I honestly believe that they, for the bigger picture of the issue touched, they are, they would like to get that at least to a sore.
Out of the way.
Simply that the bigger games can be played without that kind of irritant, which at any time, just as now or on March 30th, can become a very major
That's one of the reasons why I guess if we were satisfied with October 8th, it would have been better.
And they'll go back on the parade.
They'll always make that.
Why do you think they're in the queue?
They pray.
You agree with that?
Yes.
I don't see how they could do it.
I don't see how they could do it.
I don't see how he could go back on the parade.
Basically, he wouldn't have gotten anything out of it.
He would have just stayed.
Maybe later on.
It seems to me, sir, or...
for his own political purposes.
Even leaving aside his own press campaign and build-up on the issue since late October, he would have to demonstrate some, at least cosmetic nod toward the idea of withdrawal.
Ever since March 30th, the press of the world and
psychonauts, even in a veiled way, it seems to me, in pride, that South Vietnam has been invaded.
I don't know why he did that in a way that should be pointed, but we said it.
We said it.
And the world knows that.
And Jewish people know that.
If he doesn't, in some way, he's a cosmetic non-ethnic.
If the formulation could have been proposed, it would be more than an obvious regard.
But I think he sees that, too.
If he doesn't have that, he just simply couldn't survive that.
But if he has that, then the hands would help.
That is what they're doing.
It's really, it's directly humiliating him.
Yes, sir.
More even than not to this point.
I did not see the flag, but I did see a little note from the sheriff's post.
I think it was a recent one, sir.
Someone mentioned to me yesterday, I didn't see it, and I saw it with a paper, etc.
That if the choice was a bad agreement,
as compared with a, a decent one.
Which would, which would, which would involve a withdrawal of, of North Vietnamese troops.
The majority chose black.
That, it seemed to indicate that I, I wasn't, I shouldn't quote the name of a city, but I, okay.
Colson, please.
Yes, uh,
I know that on that
I'm not going to poll.
The only purpose of polling is to determine, frankly, what's going to affect Congress.
That's what I am.
It's going to affect you in one goddamn day.
Because that's why I say we have to be now.
I would say basically the 10th of January.
Congress can act awful fast.
The man's given the rest.
They get their committees formed.
They start strutting around.
Aren't they going to have to do some reorganizing plans?
He's getting organized.
But we're going to know it.
The leaders will leave.
They'll all make statements.
You know what I mean?
Just back to back.
That's our problem.
They've got to make statements.
Right now, though, you see, between now and the 30th, actually, right?
It's Christmas season.
It's not a very good time to set up a war.
But on the other hand, in a sense, it's not a bad time to put out that party that's not here.
Just whack the hell out of them.
On the other hand, I would have to say that I have doubts.
But given the length of time now that we've had it fairly well in and out,
We're not going to have any media dramatic effects next Sunday.
Let's do a psychological one.
I think that the impact, I don't know if we're going to have any, but I can tell you that I don't know if we're going to have any media military impact.
Yeah, I'm afraid that it will be weeks before.
Well, I understand.
I understand.
I have a plan.
It's a little different than she's going to have.
That's my expectation.
But we're going to be hit, too.
We're going to have to worry about some of these targets.
You might have to be careful.
I think it will have the effect on the psychological side, if there is a nervousness.
That's what I meant.
Psychologically, they only affect us.
We can't repeat it.
We do everything else we've got up there.
We can't come up on them.
A lot of people think that it has a psychological effect.
No, I agree from a military standpoint that military rights need two more years.
No, they say 12 more years.
The only good thing we've done is two good things.
I can't believe it.
They've got to be heard.
They've got to be heard.
You can't tell me that mining and all that.
They have to build up all that stuff.
They have an enormous resistance.
Of course, the Americans have got to overcome it.
and completely offset makeup for the losses which the service has done to most of us in the past.
Hello.
Yeah.
Hi, Chuck.
Are you in your office yet?
Oh, I was talking here to Colonel Kennedy and he referred to the Harris poll on...
on a choice between continuing or getting a bad settlement.
Do you know what that is?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Would you bring it in to me?
Come right in with it.
Well, other people are calling girls.
I mean, if I'll start, I did.
No, sir, he didn't mention it.
No, he said he had received the message.
Good.
What about calling him?
Do you talk to him in double talk?
Well, it's an open line.
It's an open line.
It's double talk.
And red lights flash, of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There is a secure line.
But you can't .
But it's the .
I'm sorry.
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the public disagrees, allowing a certain number of North Indian districts to remain in South Vietnam, and those areas not to go to the counties.
So you've got a... What do you mean?
Yeah, they don't really understand it.
You've got a contradiction.
They like the idea of a C-square here.
They like peace, but they don't like the comments in South Vietnam.
That's right.
And then they go through each of the...
The field of use, we have about 85, 81 to 5, 80 to 8, favor international supervision of the C-STAR.
Fitting what?
International supervision of the C-STAR.
Go ahead.
70 to 12, we'll have a group setting up a National Council of Reconciliation and Self-Defense, which has an equal representation of the two government counties.
And it goes down to work better.
You see, that's my point.
If you state it the way that it is, rather than the way you attract it, they would tell everybody to support it.
Even before reconciliation.
It's stupid.
It shouldn't be.
It doesn't take long.
Go ahead.
There was a 4-1-1 over reconciliation.
4-1-1 was nearly a 2-1 argument.
Those words burned up a minute.
Support the reported agreed to peace deal.
Obviously, no cross-references have changed, and I can't remember where they were.
And as he asked the question, when Chuck is told that we get that kind of an agreement, and Chu says he will not go until, unless and until all South North Vietnamese are the hell out of this country, is that asked specifically?
Then should we go along with Chu?
So that is the key question there.
Not that way, but the only way he does ask it, what is the way he puts the question when you get to 55?
Do you approve or disapprove of a ceasefire in which each side includes one person?
Yeah, that's the approval.
That's the approval.
I'm on 649.
Do you approve or disapprove of allowing a certain number of North Vietnamese troops to remain in South Vietnam unless there is an agreement with the counties?
That's a disapproval of 50 to 33.
I don't know if it's a ceasefire.
Yeah, 50 to 33.
Yeah, you're having a 30% or basically pro-communist vote.
And we always have that 30 percent.
30 percent.
Never, never vary.
Not at first.
We've never drawn party support to this, but never vary.
His next quote was, the self majority of 65% of American people reject the suggestion that the report against the peace are going to get on with victory for other countries in the United States, but feel rather that they are fully fair, compromised, and have no way to serve the war.
A lot of old radios should be shaking in person.
72% of the time it's the light of the bus.
Well, that's correct.
People are skeptical.
People are not damn smart.
Artists are damn smart.
58% said no, 25% said no.
They don't have a right.
All right.
back on the october agreement they had to part october i you and me
I mean, you know, I sat there a little.
He sat there, like, mad at me.
He just don't mean it.
The only two things they want.
Two things they want, of course, were the troops.
The troops.
And the language.
The language on whether or not it was a government or an administration.
Which, of course, which I, from the standpoint of these,
Because I said, that, we can do it.
I said, yeah.
But if I say the president, you and I will interpret.
We agree.
Say what they say.
Say what they say.
And the Norfolk, they do what they want.
And then also, he can also detail this on stage.
That's the question.
They're going to come and look at it.
On the first one, the Norfolk, of course, never thought the Norfolk sports was going to be there.
They never physically had it there.
It's like they have to do that for themselves.
They've got to work on it.
Good enough.
There's only one way.
Start the show.
Nice.
If the North really wants to cease fire, if it really does, it's almost impossible.
If it really does, why wouldn't it?
You say hard to believe.
I mean, in the real sense, that is, they really want to end the war.
I find that hard to believe.
Yes.
No, they want to win the war.
They want to win the war.
Two now.
Two discredits.
I'm glad they want to win the war.
They ought to want to kill all those bastards.
Give the war.
That some of their forces were making in the South would not be a bad thing for you.
They could do some of the policing of the D.C. who are the people that are going to be chasing the villages, villagers and village chiefs.
If the North really wanted to adhere to a ceasefire,
I guess, on the other hand, what they want to do is leave those forces down there and see who's left best.
He'd come.
He'd see.
I'm glad about that, sir.
Well, now, Kevin, do we need any further instructions from Henry right now?
Sure, I guess not.
I mean, I don't think he's bucked up enough.
I mean, you've got him.
No, I haven't, sir.
Has his morale back?
Oh, yes, he looks good.
He was charging his ex-boyfriend, so like, I don't know yet.
It's tough for him, I know.
But you've got to, you cannot get away from reality.
You've got a little bit of way from reality on October 18th.
I know I just did.
I want to get rid of that.
You can't get rid of that without solving your alibi.
That's the problem, as you all know.
But...
But having now, he's getting back with it.
You have no question about the fact that he knows it?
Oh, yes.
He knows an option, too.
And, uh... And is it what follows then?
See how the pregnant events comes out?
And he also knows that he is to the people from the negotiating track.
Uh, it's worthwhile.
Exactly.
If this breaks down at this point, we've done damn well or not.
We can do the bombing at the crescent level.
But then all that's going on in our town.
It's fairly little.
For two reasons.
One, of course, weather.
You have a shut off flight.
I know it's terrible.
But the weather is actually terrible.
The weather's always bad when you want to do something.
It really is.
Well, you can do this.
You can do this.
Well, sir, no problem.
Since we stopped north of the 20th, of course, they've been shifting sands down so that they now have half the sand force down in the vicinity of the 20th and below it.
The consequence of that is we have to have more and more iron hands protecting the B-52s.
And they have to put out about an hour and a half.
I'm talking about using beef and to use it over an iron.
Oh.
Well, there's...
The weather is better up there.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
That's where I mean most.
Right.
We never use it in there.
It's a lot of time.
We have the sands up there.
Are you sure?
Because if they don't do something, they can eat down.
Get a motor.
Tell them I want to have them.
Five million a day, a plan for the year is to leave it to the next 48-hour all-minor.
I'm scared of that.
Because I'm back to, you say five to 48 hours, I'm back to 48 months.
If I want to, I want a plan.
If they want to lose their party, they lost one, I guess, so far.
I'm back to them.
I'm guessing it wasn't Sam.
It was Sam.
Somebody we lost.
I'm going to lose.
I'm all motivated back to, all right, don't let off.
Let's do it again.
If we go back in the Hagman Heights area, just to go back to those goddamn metal trucks.
So there's some Air Force guys who can give us some order from the, you know, the, what do they call them?
Fly trucks.
Distinguished fly trucks.
This is crazy.
What, another old lead metal truck?
The Navy gets one.
Tell the Navy to get the same thing.
I see them out there.
And all they've done is fly over the goddamn place.
They don't drop them anyplace.
They're not hitting the goddamn thing.
Well, this time, they're going to hit something.
I want a B-52 planned by another day.
And no more.
I want to talk to my father.
This is not good.
Tell him this is a wrap for me and him.
Not to be discussed.
Secondary.
Commander in Chief.
Okay.
I want to see what the hell he's done.
I asked him about it.
He said it to me, to the secretary, to Bill Cross, to the secretary, to the secretary, to the secretary, to the secretary, to the secretary.
We've got to see what is doable in the event that we have to break off what is doable today in that area.
Okay.
You call in and tell him, Todd, this is it.
So there's a very friend around here saying, I want him to do it privately so we don't stir up a panic on this.
But he can come over here to see you.
Tell him that I've asked you for this and that he wants to come see me.
And then he can say, Todd, you're the president of this meeting.
You'll want to see it, too.
So be ready.
Come by here soon.
We'll fly us home to see you.
We've all heard from Frank.
Right.
On the meeting time, you should have something from Henry.
It's more than what the hell he's... We should have him for a show.
Quarter to three, either having a meeting, or he's supposed to postpone it until tomorrow.
If it is not there, I came in and I called before I came in.
I came in, I called, I checked in.
If it's not there, I'll get back.
I'll call out and see if it's not there.
I'll check the outside and see if it's not there.
I just said the president is back.
You know, he's back.
He's back.
If you can call me any time, I'll be here all day, right, as long as you're all there.
I'll be here exactly when it's well, in this office, working in this office.
If any time you've got something to do, you can call me, and I'll be sure that you think there's many thoughts come to you as to a message you can send.
See, my thought of having to go home for consultation with everybody for a day, where I realize it raises all sorts of hell.
So it's going to raise some 1,000 there, and we're going to break off anyway, and then he goes back and we break off and plan what is done.
On the one hand, at best.
At worst, and we're likely to be probably going to have the worst.
Good luck.
All right.
Thank you.
If I could get there, I was going to ask that question.
I know the previous provost that he's making, this person, the provost supported him to choose a position that's very weak.
Oh, they don't want him to.
Yeah, I know the truth.
It isn't like it's a good preview.
They don't want to put him back there.
It's a good preview.
But the acute question is whether or not the people will support hanging off and not making it real, as long as there are communists and minorities and these forces and so on.
And on that, I'm embarrassed to say, well, it's too precise, but it's 1533, right?
It's 1533.
We have a question again.
We asked the public.
It's an approval, disapproval.
You approve O'Rourke on the eastern end of these streets to remain in South Vietnam.
Those areas can go from the county.
33 approved, 30 disapproved.
They've always disapproved of the coalition, unless it doesn't bring about the same thing.
On the other hand, they want reconciliation.
They want, yeah.
Well, if they want reconciliation, they'll leave the election.
By 47 to 30, that's what our re-fire is harder and harder and harder.
Our offer is that, you see.
Our offer is not a government.
It is basically an administrative ability to lead through the elections and to discuss recommendations.
But you never work on that.
We don't shit on it.
There would be no elections or anything.
We don't work on it.
It just gives too much time to build up this research.
I'm sorry.
47 to 38 is where I always go along with the provision that counties that are there should remain that way, quote, until there are national elections, unquote.
Even that, we've got 38%.
That's right.
People are fairly still of our time.
Yeah, they really are.
They really are.
Just leave that with me.
That's it.
There's another comment.
I'll get one later.
Why don't you just take that and send it back?
I'll send it over.
Do that.
North Vietnam, for me, is a great place to come.
And our back office is there in the lake, not where I'm going to be.
South Vietnam has been very solid as well.
But I was, I am prepared, you can listen to that, to that, but I am determined to do the right kind of work.
And it is the right kind of work.
There is no legal right or agency to read that.
Or anyway, that agreement would be very overwhelming if it approved by the United States.
I agree.
If you survive.
I mean, not you, but it's obvious you survive.
We may face some hard moments here, but this will break down.
Because, uh, we need to read the message.
All right.
All right.
Yes, yes.
I think the one point where his judgment is false, and at first blush, it's not false, because I did not do that.
I did not do that.
That is, if they agree, then I go on.
I mean, why does it not work?
I remember the third.
Cambodia, I ordered something different.
I remember the third person.
Cambodia, I ordered something different.
And me, of course.
And in response, the public is all worried about the, well, frankly,
that I would go on to explain why the Vietnamese translation of this and that is different from the other, and why they cannot do it for that airport.
We are going to continue the bombing until we get a settlement.
Now, I think the better course of action
What I'm getting at is, I don't believe the first appearance that I make after the presidential election should go on.
Unless I'm mitigating when I do something very important.
I may be wrong.
No doubt.
Yeah.
Okay.
Right.
But I don't want him to be in a fading position with them.
I hope that he's in a whining position as well.
We're asking for a photo moment.
See, that's the thing.
Now the other thing is, whether or not you'd like a couple strikes right now, in other words, in my mind.
And he doesn't say it.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I could usually go over and tell him that at the present time he needs to say absolutely nothing.
That the thing has failed him.
And we don't know what the agreement is going to be.
And if you'd like to, I've directed you to postpone before you get on.
It's coming to hand, it's postponed before you get on.
Is that all right?
Yeah.
Yeah, say at this point that we're...
and that there would really be a waste of his time until we have an order.
I say that I said wait until tomorrow.
We're going to wait until tomorrow for that, because the government, in any event, if it takes place, will not take place.
The reason he's asking this, he thought he would take off when he isn't.
The government will not meet on Friday at the therapist.
Just say that.
Okay?
That's the way the whole world will get through that.
Thank you.
Here's the reason we're in difficulty on this one.
Jim Henry had listened to me.
And I'm not second guessing him.
I know why he didn't do it.
I always said, don't worry about the election.
You heard me say that.
And I said to him, I said, the election must not affect this institution.
But Henry was so obsessed with the fact that you had to want to talk about this in a very serious way.
He thought, let's get a settlement before the election.
And I don't know what was in the plan.
I don't know what was in the plan.
And they were changing it.
They were changing it.
They never really did, you know.
And the other point was that
He wanted to do it because he wanted to contribute to the election.
He wanted to have a relationship with the poor.
There, then, was a lot of touching reality.
Because then he proceeded to make Henry, he did make Henry, and said, this is it, now I'll go to Saigon.
And he thought Saigon would accept him.
And they did.
The difficulty was, he was going to Saigon in an impossible psychological position.
But he, Henry, listened to him.
We'd go to Paris, make a deal with the Northfields, and then tell Saigon to take a leave.
They couldn't do that, couldn't take it.
The woman got out there, and she said, hello, I won't go.
And then Henry Pratchett would go to Spain.
I just wanted that.
Go along, I said, go along.
I said, that will really affect us in the election.
I said, just get the thing screwed up.
So we kept it three days before the election.
He thought that, well, they'll never talk again.
They'll never talk again.
They won't.
And it's really important that you receive the message from them saying, you'll be against it.
So that's ideal.
Now, the other point is sort of the name of the corporation.
We have an old VR business.
It was Henry's, now .
He said that in response to the fact that I had an audience without him.
And Henry wanted to go out and talk with him.
He said, Peter's a man.
He thought that would help him a lot.
Then, of course, I had, I, I, I said, that's why I didn't go that far.
I said, we, remember, my line in the last was, I kept saying, I am completely confident that we will have an agreement.
But I did say, we're going to continue, we shall continue to negotiate until we get the right kind of agreement.
He said, I think, I think that got across.
The main point is, at this point, we can't, whatever he is working on,
is discreditable in terms of, well, we've got to go on and say the reason East wasn't at hand is the monarchy, is the name.
Actually, they didn't.
They didn't.
We were there.
That's the five percent, that's the five times, all five, whatever it is.
Problem is, however, my credibility in this one.
And I'll ask you.
Well, he knew what I was doing and had me say it.
And I did say to him, I am confident, completely confident, that we will have this 47th soon.
Sure, but I can't say.
I think I've conquered it enough by doing it.
I'm worried, Henry, that I did back off to that end, but...
Yeah, that's quite cold turkey, because if that's the case, then I will have to go on.
But the problem of my going on, Chuck, just, I think I have a sense of it, to go on Christmas season, right after the election, and play off.
You know, for me to go on national television, sitting behind that desk, with a dour face, saying, whatever, you know, that does not seem...
They're all saying it because I'm saying it.
It's not bad.
You know, we've got to do the right thing.
Also, I have three points.
Number one, your credibility is in very good shape because your, you know, as I'm sure it could be holding him back.
That's not correct.
Holding Harry back.
In fact, that's been written.
He's been very disturbed.
But the beginning is true.
Because you deliberately took him back.
from this piece of mail that was interpreted in your speech the Thursday night before the election.
Yes.
Deliberately going back.
So if no one could say it was an election correct, you couldn't do it, but out of your way, to bring it back to Seattle before the election.
Since then, you've been absolutely consistent with it, totally consistent.
I think the press says we're the actors, and every CEO of the Bureau is not.
And I would therefore not have served as a public issue at this time, basically because there isn't any anti-war sentiment in the country, because there's been a war.
You're very small.
Very small.
You're one area as well as an emotional kicker in the whole thing.
It's a person who's a person.
Well, if the worth of that has been discounted, yeah, I mean, if you want to let you can go on, I mean, you can continue the run.
I mean, you can still say we're going to get our prisoners back.
You say, Bob, the fight that I am racing, the fight that I'm racing, really quickly, I've got to read his message here.
I've got to run.
If you've got to run, I've got to read his message.
I've got to read the message.
You've got to feel it.
It's not emotional.
You've got to feel it.
That's it.
Why don't you go out and buy a truck?
I just want to be sure you're following the monograph deal.
His manager Rick told me, he told me that he told me about the great reaction he's done on this dirty campaign.
Now, my question is, if that was that made of every editor in the country, if not, I want to see my point.
And I want to tell everyone, every Republican leader, every congressman, and so forth, get our own people to shut up.
aware that that is the greatest discouragement to go through, that is the greatest discouragement to appear in a committee.
But anyway, on the surface of that, it's the main historical record.
See what I mean?
Every other girl, again.
Now, I know the answer.
When I raised this before, somebody said, well, everybody reads the Times.
Screw it.
They don't read the Times.
So it was worth it to catch up with other high schoolers.
Like the mail.
Who would ever get a mail?
Particularly, you know, by some, not by us, but by someone.
Some other editor.
Shirts.
Shirts for mail.
Shirts for mail.
Shirts for mail for Keogh.
Keogh for mail.
Good.
Now, with regard to his other stories.
Well, first, you're working on those.
Scott said he had one on probably three or four of them.
Okay, we have two of them.
Okay.
Which has been I think,
perhaps more broadly understood.
I must say, I've never listened to that issue.
The Vice-Department has said that's not good for me.
And that's important, as you understand.
Not again to embarrass the media, but to destroy public confidence in those people that have the double standards.
I'm sure as, of course, the guy left his paper, but I'm not going to get into it.
I'm not interested in having any other papers.
If the insurance puts it in a one-pager and gets it mailed everybody with a letter saying, I'm a publisher, I was in the campaign.
And I am shocked at how this thing was covered.
I implose this for your information as a fellow publisher.
So that's the way to do it, Chuck, with a letter, a letter, a letter.
I think we can get that published.
And it's good that we all would worry about that we got it in the New York Times or Time magazine.
We don't have to worry about that.
It's a question of getting it to the people that count on it.
Okay.
The third item, which is all that I was supposed to say, but you gave us a point yesterday.
But I know it's a system that you're changing, which is great.
And I have to take a couple weeks of research.
Yeah, of course.
But that's really what I'm trying to do.
The purpose of that, that's just part of our campaign.
Another thing I was going to ask you as a reporter,
This Democratic committee, it seems to me, I guess we can't do much about it.
I would hope that the Straws would not get the support and get the thing back together again.
But we'll see how we can get it back together again.
Well, they told me that they had 28 governors, but I don't know if they had governors yet.
So did I.
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He said, I'll either endorse it or oppose it, whichever will help me most.
I think he's trying to kill us.
But whatever he's saying, what he has said, I don't see how he's going to do anything else.
He has said that this man worked since he always defeated me in the election.
But he's also sitting in support of him.
Yeah.
He's got to be made a political model.
He has to be a political model.
Hold on, there's nothing you can do about it.
The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
And they're clearly going to need that party back together if it was bad.
I don't doubt it.
But if Jackie Kennedy is next on camera, many Germans could make a good, respectable start-up.
Well, he'd be better than anybody else at that point.
You start talking about this other thing.
Well, slavery.
Slavery.
One of the Jews.
I'm not going to deny it.
You're not going to get our record.
You're not going to get the time to practice that much.
Oh, no.
You were holding well there.
By the point of running, you said you had run that very early.
We didn't waste it this weekend.
My point is that it really rocked it.
Ten times more than what it was in the beginning.
Because what you said earlier was, you know, you had to digest it a little bit.
So he had a purple field and people said, oh, well, he's passed away.
The national sheriff can't do that much other than try to heal him in general.
We've got to keep that sort of strategy going.
Because of the black issue.
It's just a black vaccine issue.
There's just no welfare.
Well, the whole thing, this is good for us, but they can't do it.
I don't know if they're going to do that.
If they're going to do that, I don't know if they're going to do that.
If they're going to do that, I don't know if they're going to do that.
Oh, well, I don't know.
My only purpose is to just continue to constantly discredit me.
Okay.
Now, come on with your analysis.
What I was just saying about Henry's father, I don't know.
I just think it's necessary because I don't think it was a...
Dramatic shift in circumstances.
I don't think so.
I saw a poll recently where the public is skeptical of it.
It was skeptical of it.
It was skeptical.
They all thought we were working on one.
Yeah, and I think that over, there's like 56 or 58% that it won't be one day.
It won't be one day.
It's not like a full ice, because it doesn't mean much now.
The air is going to cover some of those.
You see that air is going to cover part of the air.
But in any event, I think we're going to have one.
They really can't take much notice now, at least the public doesn't.
We've got a little bit of business in this.
Now we understand.
And we'll start working on it.
We're working on it.
There's nothing that requires you to mobilize .
I don't think people think the war is over except for .
Well, let's come back to the fundamental point.
The point I .
I had said to Chuck earlier that they put, we have to separate .
He really is concerned about .
And the idea that we were ready to have .
Now in order to
Say that sometimes something happens, you know, I didn't want to say the enemy broke the agreement, and therefore we have to resume the bond at a higher level until they bring them to their knees, let them get all the... You read this entire message, you know, the dramatic, the whole narrative, how powerful.
That's one point.
The other one is like that one.
Now, mine also was on the line there, but not to the same extent.
It does, frankly, much to Henry's distress, if you recall my version of that little sermon.
But it goes back to the pieces of man.
Man was so determined about his life.
And then also, I kept saying we're going to make the changes in the negotiations as best as possible.
I did say I am completely confident.
That was after the second.
So I'm on the line on that.
On the other hand, I don't think that I'm in a position where millions of people voted for me because they thought that my major problem was that we had peace.
They did, and I have to go on.
That's the key question.
Anything you can look at will tell you that exactly the opposite happened.
At least hundreds of thousands of people voted against you because they thought you were rushing to a peace settlement for political purposes.
that very few voted for you because they thought you were getting the back of the peace settlement.
I know a lot of people voted for you because they had confidence that you weren't going to...
It's not right.
...in the long haul, but not in the short haul on the pieces in the end.
Well, let's talk a bit then about... We're going to be smashed out of the mess this month.
What do you think about the national politics?
I very strongly feel that unless there's something...
that he should not, because in the first place, people think you're bombing now.
We sure as hell are.
All we're going to do is step it up.
It's a matter of course.
No, that's not the main.
No, that's not the main.
It's not just a bond.
It isn't the state we're going to bond.
And we want you to go on and say, why the negotiations broke down.
In an argument, we need to have a different translation.
I can't go on and on.
Well, then you're putting me so good at it.
Thank you.
We tried to broken down our secret boxers, screwed up.
In fact, we renegotiated and went back to the military because they screwed us on the language plane.
He said, I've got to work for that.
He said that all along.
And everybody's sneering.
And because of the vehicle he screwed, we were in pretty good shape.
And well, there were two forces out there.
Well, two different forces out.
We got out because if we didn't, we said all along, we will not be stampeding it.
You'll only take a dream that's right, and you'll take a memory that's not before or after a journey.
The only point is, Henry must go back to what I said and get away from what he says, and that's the important thing.
But you shouldn't... You've got to back up his emotional state, whether he's able to do it, because he doesn't want to do a big male cult type thing and be distressed and tear his hair from his boots and say, you know, I... Well, he's got to get into the bus about your time.
Hello?
Just keep on going.
Everything doesn't come up frozen.
But you don't think the big dramatic thing of it is you're down to play.
I'm trying to break off the guitar.
It says beat, you know, the goddamn beat, and then you just scoot it up again.
So, in fact, we're patient.
We've been working in this role.
Now, there's one thing we can do for you.
There's one thing we can do.
I thought about it.
We did a shot across the boat with a shoe.
That's it.
We brawled down the front porch.
We did it.
And leave it by you.
You don't need it.
The persons we've got there now, Chuck, are purely residual.
We've got to get a message and a statement.
That's it.
We have to make a deal.
We have to make a deal and go along.
We may have some time.
You will turn on.
Quiet.
And I'm not going to shake up Henry too much right now, but on my view, it's to get those people the hell out of there.
The thing that I've been trying to figure out is not, if we look at it from our viewpoint, I think it's right.
But what do you have the other way?
I'm not sure how it works the other way.
Come on.
I'm not too concerned about what they say, because they're where the history of the background has been handled, and aren't being made to lie.
Nobody's going to believe that.
Of course they're going to say that we wrote our word.
They're going to say the Jew was the one who bought the settlement.
Henry comes back and says, it isn't me.
I did not enter the North Vietnamese.
That's the point.
That is the point where I feel it would be a very great mistake for me to get in a business contest with them.
Henry has every option.
He's the one that can go on television.
It doesn't matter what he's saying, what the police say, what the BBC is.
The peace talks are over and the war is back, correct?
If you don't go on, what will be said is, the peace talks are still screwed up like they always have been.
We're still pulling out of the war and we're still trying.
And it'll be, that's a whole lot better thing for people to think.
The difficulty with that is, in other words, to make, you see, I think we shouldn't have done that, but I don't know.
Because I think at this point, the boys are going to get a bad idea.
And it doesn't mean a thing to the North.
Because our guys aren't fighting anyway.
The only thing you have to be careful of is .
But that was before I started bombing.
The bombing is the real thing they want.
But I wouldn't leave some portion of that.
I think the notion of .
The last ship will not sail out of the harbor.
We're going to be leaving.
We should bring it down to 10,000.
Logistically, you can put them.
Get them out of the internal air force theater.
Get them all over it, too.
Yeah.
Well, anyway, let's go.
The only problem with Chad is he's very realistic.
He's very realistic.
is going to be enormous in some way, to his own credit, or at least to the man's worth.
It was a great race in terms of his catchiness and his difficult handling.
But he knows, he knows the audience and all of his friends who lived in the press, a race that he didn't intend, and it wasn't a weak race.
But no, seriously, look at that.
It waffled in the middle of a sentence in the middle of a paragraph.
And that's avoiding them.
He doesn't assess it for that.
But then, but Henry, huh?
No, he didn't.
No, no, no.
That phrase was only an elliptical phrase that was thrown in.
Henry's problem is this.
Henry, the first to take Mary Rogers first conference, or anybody else.
Oh, God, this or that, he has a problem.
And they never do.
That's very important.
Yes, sir.
He never seems as healthy.
And Henry, frankly, makes more mistakes than most people.
The reason is that he is so totally self-confident that he drinks it up.
I mean, he'd sit down and talk to the behavior of somebody about that.
You know, we sit down and talk about God's presence.
And I get reminded, I have to get this, this, this, this point.
And then all of a sudden it comes out in the...
He's talking about the process again.
Or something or other.
You see, Chuck is right.
We've got to have him briefed like he's never been briefed before.
But he can be briefed.
He's obviously damn sensitive now after that Italian woman gave it to him.
I had to tell him at that time.
But you see, if my going on, in fact, a lot of that's good to say, that my going on to answer the argument needs to be one horrible step here.
I don't know what they're going to say.
They're going to blame us.
We've got all that.
We've got all that.
That's right.
You don't want to rally about the war.
You want to do exactly what they're doing.
But on the back page, it's by their business.
There's a war on the front page anymore.
It's a stock market issue, and it's a Washington issue, and it's a peace talk, and so on and so on.
Well, you won't have a problem.
And I, depending on the inaugural, there will be a problem with the media, but it won't be like what we've had.
It won't be like your 68 annunciations, and it won't be like anything we've had here.
They can't mobilize people like that.
And they won't be able to on that.
That's the point I was going to make.
Right now, the war is such a backbreaker, depersonalizing it.
The reason, mainly because, mainly because ground troops are not there.
They've shot every one of them.
That's it.
Sure.
They don't want us to go there.
That's another story.
So that's why I have a lot of them.
Even in our group, sure, there's men falling off the helicopter.
There's kids.
There's no grass.
There's no grass.
He's going, you know, he's crying.
His mother is kind of relieved that her son is going to be in the war.
This is a volunteer professional, of course they had to do it on the last pilot.
I just thought of that, and I thought of other MPs were going.
It's no pictures on television or pictures.
It's just the only pictures the assholes have gathered.
There are plenty of line officers around there.
They've got a picture of those girls in ACOM.
They run that event every three weeks.
Okay, that's .
That's where you get the argument.
You'll say you want to show the strength in this country, that's a great thing, but it won't be.
That's a very small thing to worry about.
The thing he doesn't recognize is that for the same reason that you don't want to mobilize the nation, I put up strong with you because of the chance.
Because it takes something strong in one place to get people to think strongly about it.
If they don't give a shit about the war, you can't get them excited for it.
It's more of a villain trick to get them excited.
That's right.
Because, frankly, they weren't excited about the government.
You get my point?
Our people were just going to vote, but they weren't very excited about it.
It wasn't anything to do with what they do or what's going to happen.
Yeah, that's right.
They're going to end all the war, but when he says we've got to show up with an army of inmates...
Because the enemy has always been wrong about that.
And it's going to have a great effect on the enemy.
The way it affects the enemy is to call the raiment and give them a media call and give them a little tough talk and say, now, God damn it, this is it, and I'm going to see it through.
You don't get one ship.
We always wanted to use U.S. mass.
That's the way of affecting people, signaling the enemy.
Like in your press conferences, they always want you to say things that will signal the enemy.
Well, that's the wrong place to signal the enemy.
The press conferences signal the U.S. people.
The other point is that you go on and call them.
You obviously will.
So when you get some heroin, you will turn up.
You also are going to get the goddamn doctor.
That encourages the other.
They've always been encouraged by the other.
I felt this thing through.
It's certainly the same thing.
They got into the draw.
It's certainly the same thing.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Oh, I see.
The problem was .
So I knew I'd have to consider it.
But don't ever even suggest I go to the Republican Party.
It was never anybody here.
But the problem was getting .
And I knew it.
I knew it all the way.
I knew it all the way.
He left.
Oh, yeah.
He left.
I didn't know.
I didn't know.
I didn't know.
I didn't know.
I didn't know.
I didn't know.
No, I think here, unless there's some factor that we haven't even thought of, and it'd have to be one hell of a factor to warrant people going home, really would.
I mean, if something like they start executing that prisoner on the day or something, and the public's whatever, or they start doing that, we just kind of like an awful set of blocks.
The only thing that's present is everything.
They're obviously right.
They're smart.
They're right.
and I started up again.
I said, not on the basis of American public opinion, but on the basis that you want them to be able to carry the U.S. Congress for very long and maintain the U.S. flag.
It would very well be that my folks, mine, you, got back to the palace and lived in that.
Yeah.
The other thing, you've got communists and spies.
Well, that's it.
As Henry said, if your problem comes up, I'm going to get over there because I've got to dismiss the corrupt people in the East.
With regard to the various things that we're doing, and I understand you're responsible for it.
We talked about the dispatcher.
I know that you're doing labor well, and I know that you're doing the Democrats well, and I know that you're doing the Republicans well, and so forth and so on.
I don't want you to worry about the black, too, because that's what we're growing, and we'll have the government.
Now, the thing I do wonder about is our new establishment in the press, and our new establishment in the business community.
In other words, they leave, and they elect you.
Are you, Rob Taylor, you have that also in your shop, is that correct?
Yes.
Yes, sir.
Great.
All right.
In other words, if we want to know, if we want to know, if we want to know, if we want to know who are the people, who are the people to invite, who are the next top...
100 national people in the business community to invite other than just contributors.
You know who they are.
Yes, sir.
We want to know who the top people, editors, and so forth are.
You know, as I said.
Yes, sir.
We talked about the decent people.
We've got a decent people.
We've got a decent people.
We've got a decent people.
Right.
Right.
Right.
I want you to know we're relying on you for this.
I've got that and you've got to do it.
if you don't make a decision.
And draw on the White House anything you want, but you do it.
OK?
Here we go.
And Bob, don't try to have it done from here, too.
I don't want planning getting in there.
I don't want them getting names of assholes that didn't support us.
See?
Put it all through one, two.
You've got to hold the planning.
You've got to hold the mallet.
You've got to hold the downtown.
The window, which is going to be very helpful.
The right one.
Just look for it.
There's no other option.
You'll see it, Mike, is to make this one very clear to others.
She doesn't have nothing to say about her.
What are you talking about?
That's one old friend of mine.
Just like you left one military.
We've got one.
We've got one.
We've got one.
I'm going to work for some of those who are for us.
And the Republican go over to those who are for us.
And the rest of them can go straight to hell.
This is not a social thing.
That's right.
And not the same ones over and over again.
Just get away from that.
And anybody that didn't support us didn't invite us.
You know what I mean?
But there's little things we can do.
There's one hell of a lot.
I will also count on you, Chuck, too, without getting caught in this mess up there, that where there are Republicans running in 74 and 4, that's just like a box to see that it's outside of our house.
There's something that's involved so that they have a little bit of an anchor to linger there.
Got it?
in terms of not well handled, but in terms of a bias, where it could be well handled.
First, they do that off-court to the east.
They should have left the right-wingers running down there to the south, where they should get up and do that.
But that's the whole purpose of that.
So they've got to change the bias one bit, and they need to win it.
But it will change in a period between now and the 90s.
And this is the important period.
This is two years, not a little bit longer than that.
So that's the right-wing rule.
to provide all the .
We used, I think we did, well, we're using the social meditations for the people we wanted to serve.
Right, I mean, we did.
And now we're gonna use it for people we hate.
I want to see some of those.
There must be a similar group in Chicago.
There have been some new people.
There are some.
Ohio.
Certainly in Florida, where we got 72% of the vote, we've had to have some good people.
There's Mattie, who's a hell of a guy, he's a Democrat.
He's got to get in.
He's exactly what he is.
He's very high on the list.
All the Democrats for Nixon across the South.
We've got to keep that Southern strategy going.
These boys in Maryland, I think, will pick up on it.
We'll see.
That's a new, but make sure that they're in town.
I mean, they're close by.
I was a member of your member who got this gun then, so it kind of was centered.
And so that box was confused.
That's the first part of it.
Before administrations, White House back people.
Before any Catholic people.
Before any administration people.
It was abused for political purposes.
It made all our friends for the next year.
Bill's got that box.
If you want to hurt him, you've got to host him.
If he's his cousin, you've got to hold him.
That's a good, that's a good device, too.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you don't have to have a host there either.
You've got it set up now where you can give him tickets and stuff.
Well, I think I may, uh, if you have any problems about the host, I, I, I, I think the obvious guy is going to be my peers.
You're tracking it all the way back.
We got two problems.
One, Mitchell has obviously given Kevin Phillips the whole thing.
Here's the thing.
Personal chief right now has been to a capital level spot himself in the office.
As we go to press, the question is whether he will stay in personnel or take an undersecretary spot in some department.
And that has to be
Talk to Mitchell, ask him to give us a little insight into this.
In that one, some of this stuff, you guys are always talking to each other about that.
But I'm not going to ask you to leave this.
Jim, Lynn's in here.
Lynn Swayed is the judge.
Attacked at the Bigfoot Mount operation.
Pete Peterson is leaving.
He's a non-trade star.
The Commerce Department has spoken as the Senate seats have been capped.
The first man approached R.G.
Davis in North Carolina's Washington.
It will be a night to turn this down.
The decision was then reached by the Carolina textile executive.
He will be the one ready to throw you down.
So it's nobody else.
I mean, like, we can't just know this stuff.
Who knew what?
And John's the only one who knew all this.
The only problem I have is this.
I don't know about this.
I want to know.
I just really want to know.
I told him, I told that one, and I said, hey, go ahead.
All right, put it on.
But, uh, get the other thing out, man.
I feel desperate.
I just feel very strongly because in the day, I'd say, Roger's not going to be happy.
That's typical of Bill's.
I believe it.
Yeah.
You've got to go to the right schools.
You've got to go to Boston University.
All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right,
That's the worst kind.
That's the worst kind.
You contract it.
You contract it.
You contract it.
You contract it.
You contract it.
You contract it.
You contract it.
You contract it.
You contract it.
The attack, the attack, the attack, the attack, the attack, the attack, the attack.
No, they're not.
They never are.
But he's not.
He has the branch of the forest.
He's got it.
He's got it for the next forest.
Irish, the best captain.
They always do it.
They're pretty good Irish captains.
They're the best.
They're the best.
They're the best captains.
I just thought that the Irish don't do that.
The Italians like having the Irish at the top.
They like a brand.
Oh, yeah.
They don't like brand.
Well, they don't, but they always feel it.
They don't sound Italian.
They always feel family in New York and the Irish.
All right.
I can see the reason.
Okay.
Okay, sir.
Good luck.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
You know, there's both of them.
Yes, sir.
Some of you know every one of them.
I just, I was ready to pull on it up.
I was all, uh, you know, I just wanted to pull it down.
Of course I did.
Well, Bob, the reason I was, I was, well, of course he was here, because he almost did it.
See, I didn't think about that.
So I got to look at some of this stuff.
See, there's a significant thing in the story that Ziegler very wisely pointed out.
He said, you're worrying about the wrong thing.
He said, I understand the problem of the lead for the post on the Hudson.
That's a problem.
But he said, read the story.
We've got a real problem.
And I stared down and I said, I see what you mean.
I had read the story very carefully, but I totally missed it.
Which is, down below, where it says Peterson was rumored for a super trade post, but Schultz
hearing infringement on his power in the economic area had logged in on him or something like that.
And he said, what you've got here is Peterson starting his backfire on this whole thing.
And he said, Peterson's the one that put your hoods on.
Now, that's what he moved that to ship the other thing.
But what he's trying to peddle is this saving his own ass on this economic side.
Because that was in here.
See, it says here, I got it.
Yeah.
Peterson believed he'd become third star.
And, uh, I think that we've done that, but, uh, Chelsea's vote was clear, so that's, uh, I'll have a party to attend to that way.
Well, it's understandable.
We're going to do something to get it here, so we can probably lose it.
The other point Ronald makes is that, I mean, we have to, well, try as hard as we may to oppose it, and I guess the police could be heard, so that we're going on heard.
They're very, you know, we're used to dumb things.
We give them a start.
We're going to go on and give them a start.
And the folks who's going to fight back, because if you've got to face the fact, they'll spend money, hours, and drive their people up.
And they've got good reporters like Groder and Brett.
And somewhere down in the woodwork, they're going to know.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Bye.
I'm glad he's gone.
I'm glad he's gone.
I have two.
That's one.
Show me what it's like.
Why don't you kind of wonder if you can keep it on and all that.
But if you can, what you're buying now is a little trouble for a couple days.
So you've got to get that in mind that you can take it and wrap it up.
Right.
And you're trading, you're taking that instead of, you know, trouble for a couple days.
You're every day wondering.
Yeah.
It's just, it's wondering.
You don't wonder about a thing.
You don't wonder about the other problems.
I talked to, uh, when you may start wondering about him, you don't know about him.
Now, again, I don't want to say that you know him.
I don't want you to be stupid.
He's going to be straight.
If he's straight, he won't be.
He won't be your son.
That's why this call is not meant to be straight.
That's right.
He's basically not straight.
He's a, he's got a total opposite.
He's like a church.
He's a manipulator and an operator.
He's good.
And when he was working for you in your industry, he did a good job.
He helped you out with the operator.
That's right.
But he is your operator.
You have to let him know which way he's operating.
That's the beauty of this new case.
It says that Nicky and I are smart as people.
I know it's like a migration.
I'm certain you're not lost, but it will never be this way.
I know it.
I agree with you on that.
I have a couple of questions.
I understand the intention of the other one.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, I want to have a stop.
Stop.
Stop.
I don't see the problem.
I just have a feeling that my, I just have a feeling that I'll be, you know, I don't see there's a question to go up there and eat ham and drink.
We're going to have them there, eat them all, all of their gifts, and spare them for them to work through.
Well, please let me say this.
Let's work here a day and a half.
That's .
They don't expect any kind of return.
No.
Dinner on the base of the church.
I'll just say I'm sorry.
I'm going to go back.
They aren't going to work on it.
I'm going to do the cocktail.
I'm going to do the soup.
I'll sit back and work.
I'm going to go to work.
I have a feeling I should be here.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I wonder if it would look better not looking this way.
Well, I don't know.
If you do a child labor in the future, you might be better off distracting a thousand times.
I don't think you can do that.
Well, I don't think you can do that.
I don't think you can do that.
Why don't we just take a look at the message that's sitting right here, and then you know.
Okay.
So why don't we just turn it off on the day after.
So, so we can sit on the end of the line for a little bit, and see if anybody wants to hurry it up.
And maybe, you know, Henry, you're going to come back.
So, there's going to come back in the break time.
So I should say, what pictures do you think, what earth pictures do you think are going to come through?
It doesn't mean that there's no reason they need to be here.
In fact, they're going to be up there.
I know.
It doesn't matter one way or the other.
But the outside appearance also doesn't matter.
I think I feel better here.
I just feel more involved.
Like today, I've got to have a normal
I talked to Pat about the Christmas thing.
She's perfectly able to do anything except that
Lucy is down at the door.
Apparently, I didn't tell her that we already had to go work on it.
But apparently, that's us.
I told her that we didn't have a damn thing to do.
We had to go work on it.
And she was very awkward with us.
She was worried about us.
Now, you know the one thing he had to do, remember the one thing he had to do, right?
He said, let me get together today and come to work and bring a plan to you for what you're going to do here.
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If you were to do that, you'd be a cause of disaster.
You'd be a cause of disaster.
You'd be a cause of disaster.
You'd be a cause of disaster.
You'd be a cause of disaster.
You'd be a cause of disaster.
You'd be a cause of disaster.
I don't want to be outside at Christmas or any of the other shops.
I'm not going to do it.
I'm not going to allow it.
Now, if there's anybody that wants to talk about it, who did it?
Like, Preston?
Preston?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'll do that.
Our organization provides food, tickets, and then a recurring greeting.
Come on, President.
Come on.
On the other hand, we go.
Thank you.
I didn't like the ceremony out there.
It was quite nice.
You know, before the ceremony, you let us go out to the ceremony.
The other 500 athletes, you know, came in after the ceremony.
You can't kill a thousand.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
You can't do 500.
And that gives us a very unusual way to break it.
Yes.
All right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
There's a lot of them here.
Well, I'm very pleased to be here.
And I also am very pleased to be here.
And I'm very pleased to be here.
And I'm very pleased to be here.
Spider-Man.
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Schultz, I think we've got to realize, Schultz is also a man.
Therefore, we've got to recognize him.
We don't have to have anybody with us.
That's why I feel that I should have seen Schultz alone.
And once we get him trying to get in, I think Schultz right now,
We're not on a ship.
Most of the time, we're on a ship.
We're on a ship.
Whenever they think it's necessary, when they're close, we're on a ship.
We're on a ship.
Give me a quick report on the water.
This is good.
This is good.
This is good.
This is good.
This is good.
This is good.
Uh, that story is a little distorted, as I understand it.
Oh, forget that.
The last I heard is that they've got a number of other tickling you up.
Now, now that we've announced it, why don't you ask me?
There, when you hit the paper, it said that they have not seen the security of his records.
And he has not been asked to appear?
Yeah.
They're pursuing the staff investigation.
The staff doesn't have to be here.
What about them?
and make sure that it's working.
Now look, I am not going to go on and say I'm not going to do it, but it is fair.
It is fair.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
C.I.A.
Yeah, I need to see one of these cars.
Well, he's not going to drive it, but I'll have to talk to him about it.
It would be very good for him.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I feel very very
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I have no way of making a judgment on the way you want to go.
I'm going to be too bad if I'm not able to do it.
Thank you.
going on.
All of these things have been going on for a very, very long time.
It's been a very, very long time.
It's been a very, very long time.
You know, it's all great.
What happens when you let the end of the clock start to take its off and you come back in the evening and go back to the start clock again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again
We'll see.
It may just be the contract that works.
I mean, they will come again.
The cops always start again.
In our position, we're ready to go.
The way it's held here
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All right.
We've come to the hard place.
We've come to the hard place.
All right, category will stay here tonight.
Okay, if I hear something, let me know.
Let me know.
Let me know.
Let me know.
Thank you.