Conversation 387-013

TapeTape 387StartTuesday, December 5, 1972 at 2:00 PMEndTuesday, December 5, 1972 at 3:00 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On December 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:00 pm and 3:00 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 387-013 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 387-13

Date: December 5, 1972
Time: 2:00 pm - unknown before 3:00 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

       The President’s schedule
            -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
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      Press relations
            -Colson’s conversation with Patrick J. Buchanan
            -Monographs
                   -“Things They Would Like to Forget”
                   -Purpose
                         -Eastern elite
            -Administration supporters
            -Columnists
            -Editorial writers
            -Buchanan
                   -New York Times
            -Administration supporters
            -Editors
            -Congressmen
            -Senators
            -Republican National Committeemen
            -1972 campaign
                   -News summaries
                         -The President’s reading
                   -Life
                         -Letters
                               -“Soc et tuum”
                         -Photographs
                               -Joe Scherschel
                                      -Wisconsin
                               -Time
            -Colson
                   -Washington Post article, December 5, 1972
                         -John A. Scali
                         -Tone
                         -Interview with Patricia Ann (Hughes) Colson
                               -Sally Quinn
                               -Margaret Pearson
                               -Colson’s conversation with Scali
            -William S. Paley
                   -Meeting with Clay T. (“Tom”) Whitehead

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       1972 election
            -Victory margin
                   -Percentages
                   -Reporting
                         -Deadline
                   -Percentages

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H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 2:05 pm.

       Press relations
             -Colson
                    -Washington Post article
                         -Tone
                               -Scali

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       1972 election
            -Victory margin
                   -Percentages
                         -Compared to Lyndon B. Johnson
                         -Reporting
                               -Missing states
                   -John B. Connally
                   -Wire services
                         -Press relations
                               -Jim Schurz
                   -Votes
                         -Certification
                               -Secretary of States
                               -Count

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      Vietnam negotiations
           -Henry A. Kissinger’s message
                -Colson’s reading
           -Breakdown
                -Kissinger’s recommendation
                       -The President’s possible television [TV] appearance
                            -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                                  -US-Soviet Union summit
                                  -US foreign relations
                                  -1972 election
                            -Second term
                            -The President’s view
                                  -1972 election
                            -Kissinger’s possible statement
                                  -Explanation of details
                            -Kissinger’s return
                                  -Report to the President
                            -Kissinger’s possible statement
                                  -Untelevised
                                  -Attribution
                                  -Duration
                                  -Questions and answers [Q&A]
                            -Ronald L. Ziegler
                            -Public relations [PR]
                                  -Reescalation of war
                                         -US bombing of North Vietnam
                                  -Kissinger’s possible statement
                                         -“Snag”
                                         -North Vietnam
                                               -Translation problems
                                         -US military action
                                         -North Vietnam’s statements
                                  -Colson’s view
                                  -1972 election
                                  -Economy
                                  -Christmas
                                  -Playoffs
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             -Retail sales
             -Second term
             -“Peace is at hand”
       -US-Soviet Union summit
             -Kissinger’s return [from Moscow]
             -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
             -Cancellation
                    -The President’s recommended TV appearance
                    -John B. Connally’s view
                          -Victory in Vietnam
                    -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                          -US bombing and mining of North Vietnam
                                -North Vietnam’s offensive
       -Kissinger’s return from Paris
       -Translation problems
       -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
       -US action
             -US bombing of North Vietnam
                    -Pace
                    -B-52s
                    -Nuclear option
             -Cambodia
       -Kissinger’s message
             -Settlement agreement
                    -Cease-fire
       -Confession of failure
       -Kissinger’s message
             -Vietnamization
                    -Government of Vietnam [GVN]
             -US withdrawal
             -Military settlement
                    -Hanoi
             -Prisoners of War [POWs] return
                    -US military action
             -Offer
                    -South Vietnam
                          -Communist domination
                          -Self-defense
                    -POWs
                          -Cessation of US bombing of North Vietnam
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                                            -US withdrawal
                                                   -Effect on South Vietnam
                                                   -George S. McGovern’s position
                         -Settlement agreement
                         -US allies
                         -POWs
                         -US withdrawal
                                -Honor
                  -Cambodia
                  -Administration supporters and opponents
                  -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                         -Administration opponents and supporters
                  -US action
                  -Kissinger’s missions
                         -Failure
                  -Kissinger’s messages
                         -Nguyen Van Thieu, North Vietnam
                  -PR and Congressional relations
-US bombing and mining of North Vietnam
     -Duration
           -Settlement agreement
                  -PR and Congressional relations
     -Cost
           -Budget
                  -The President’s meeting with George P. Shultz and John D.
                    Ehrlichman
-Breakdown
     -North Vietnam’s position
           -The President’s message to Thieu
                  -Continuation of war
                         -Congressional relations
                  -Infiltration of Thieu’s government
           -Settlement agreement
                  -Kissinger
           -Bargaining tool
           -Delay
                  -POWs
                         -Reparations
           -Congressional relations
                  -Thieu
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      -The President’s possible TV appearance
-Kissinger’s recommendations
      -The President’s possible TV appearance
            -The President’s November 3, 1969 speech
                   -US troop level
                   -Honor
            -Vietnamization
            -Kissinger
                   -Failure
                   -Resignation
                         -The President’s trips to the People’s Republic of
                           China [PRC] and Soviet Union
                         -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s view
            -The President’s credibility
                   -Compared to Kissinger’s credibility
                         -The President’s address, ‘Look to the Future”
                               -Timing
                                      -1972 election
            -Details
            -Coalition government
            -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
                   -Right
            -US military action
                   -PR
                         -“Hawks”
                               -Bombing of dikes, destruction of Hanoi
                               -Honor
                               -Haldeman’s view
            -Settlement agreement
            -US withdrawal
                   -POWs
            -South Vietnam’s self-determination
            -US bombing of North Vietnam
                   -Pace, location
                         -PR
                               -Story
                                      -Jo Anne (Horton) Haldeman
                               -20th Parallel
                               -Hanoi
                               -18th or 19th Parallel
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                                                        -Kissinger’s view
                                                        -North Vietnam’s military
                                                 -20th Parallel
                                                        -Iowans
                               -Timing
                                     -1972 election
                               -Kissinger’s possible statement
                                     -Kissinger’s emotions
                                           -The President’s possible efforts
                                                 -Sarah Bernhardt
                                                        -Alternatives
                                                               -William P. Rogers
                                                               -Ziegler
                                                               -Rogers
                                                                      -Relationship with
                                                                       Kissinger
                                                        -Format
                                                               -Exposition, Q&A
                                                                      -Duration
                                                        -Kissinger’s briefings
                                                               -Efforts to “dazzle”
                                                               -Length of comments
                                                                      -Effect
                                                        -Kissinger’s resignation
                                                               -Career
                                                        -Haig
             -Col. Richard T. Kennedy
                   -Messenger role
                         -Kissinger

       Second term reorganization
            -Kissinger’s resignation
                  -Timing
                        -India-Pakistan War

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       Refusal of offer

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 3:00 pm.
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Vietnam negotiations
     -Advice
          -Haldeman’s possible conversation with Rogers
                 -Rogers’s schedule
                        -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
          -Connally
          -[David] Kenneth Rush
          -Melvin R. Laird
                 -Schedule
                        -NATO
          -Connally
                 -Meeting with the President
          -Rush
                 -Reading of Kissinger’s messages
          -Rogers
                 -PR
          -Rush
          -Ziegler
          -“Hawks”
          -Ehrlichman
          -Ziegler
     -Breakdown
          -Kissinger’s possible statement
                 -Kissinger’s return from Paris
                 -Resumption of talks
                        -Timing
                              -North Vietnam
                 -US bombing of North Vietnam
                        -Duration
                              -Settlement agreement
                                     Honorable peace
                        -North Vietnam
          -PR
                 -Credibility
                 -Daniel Yankelovich
                        -Dovishness
                        -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                 -Settlement agreement
                        -Kissinger’s and the President’s views
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                    -Kissinger’s recommendations
                          -Kissinger’s return from Paris
                                 -Report to the President
                          -The President’s possible TV appearance
                                 -US action
                                      -US military action
                                             -Duration
                                                   -POWs
                                             -Right
                                             -Left
                                                   -McGovern’s position
                                                          -R. Sargent Shriver
                                                                 -POWs
             -POWs
             -PR
                    -US surrender
             -Cessation of US mining and bombing, US military and economic aid to South
              Vietnam
                    -Effect on South Vietnam’s survival
             -POWs
                    -North Vietnam
                          -US economic aid
                    -PR
                          -Communists
                          -Settlement agreement
             -Vietnamization
             -North Vietnam’s position
                    -Bargaining tool
                          -POWs
                                 -US aid to Hanoi
                    -Congressional relations
                          -Settlement agreement
                                 -October 8, 1972 agreement
                                      -South Vietnam
             -Settlement agreement
                    -McGovern’s or allies’ possible role
                          -Delay
                                 -Congressional relations

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I did talk to Buchanan.
He's got all of those.
He's great.
The second one is what they want to get.
I think it always goes on.
Just to remind that, the presence of people, particularly those with a lot of issues and questions, they're there.
That's how it comes.
I'm sure it is what we love to do.
And it is what it is.
Yes, we've been using ALM for just a little bit.
We've been getting that all the time.
So you just actually just call us, pick it up, and we'll raise it.
And it gets a second or three times.
You can't have it in a minute with ALM.
That should be that.
That's all we need.
We always follow up with that little checker, trying to get it to the broadest possible audience of our supporters and others.
Then it gets to the problem among, I understand, not among folks, but among our people.
I'd like to have every editor and supporter, call every congressman, senator, that kind of people.
That's basically what we've done.
So that's the list that we put together.
Because we've been doing that regularly, we can't blame them.
I mean, the first page, the light had a whole slew of letters just cut into the juice.
I had to ask my folks who wanted it.
They somehow came back to it.
Well, a couple of them, I said, I'd recommend.
But they did a great job.
Great.
We've got a little time question on the mic.
I was voting for you, and I didn't see that.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, we didn't see it, but that wasn't a job.
That was a kind of action job.
Now, that's terrible.
But all of the dishes were not very good.
And that's the kind of thing Scherz was here on the staff was messing with Spine.
Now, he got these, so I was going to take them.
So the pictures that they wrote was great.
But every picture that shows the squadron, ,, we know they had one hell of a lot of people, because we gave them the time.
That was the point I had to give them.
But then they write them.
So you want to kind of take pictures.
And I don't help them.
But if I still want to help, God damn it, they've got to eat.
I'm not going to do that.
Is that true?
But most of them, they will be saved.
I couldn't figure it out.
That's right.
I'm going to move this room.
That's right.
No, no, no.
I'm not going to care.
Listen, there were other companies.
The deal is, you know what?
That was Marvin Pearson.
Oh, shit.
I'm holding her.
I'm holding her.
I'm holding her.
I'm holding her.
I'm holding her.
I'm holding her.
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Well, I'd say they're getting bigger.
They're almost there.
They're almost there.
They're almost there.
They're almost there.
They're almost there.
They're almost there.
They're almost there.
They're almost there.
They're almost there.
I don't know.
I didn't think it was whatever it was.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's the wrong way around.
I just, my suspicion is the way it is.
It's a total of 10.
It's the only thing I can do about it, so.
Well.
Anyway, I think there's a road in there that would be a chance.
Do you really have a road in there?
No, you don't.
Oh, yeah.
Basically, the first time you do have 61, 0.6.
That's 61.056.
61.056, Johnson to 61.
What is .05?
Hello?
Hello?
I'm real quick.
I heard it's not a pre-censored call from the website.
Well, it's private, isn't it?
That's not a call from the website.
That's just 61.056.
It's a common occurrence.
61.056.
Is, like you say, is the monitor a significant thing for you to get out in the proper time?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, they only get, once we get the number of rockets, it's significant as hell.
But won't the, won't the wires, so far as apparatus, short at that point, anyway?
Yes, sir.
When do they do that?
It's the most, like, a college day.
They might be able to get it, but that's when.
I don't know.
I don't know.
How do we get it out before we get it out to 500,000?
Yeah, it is.
the latest Well,
Good chance to read the communication.
I just want to be sure of your decision.
It isn't that big, actually.
It isn't that big of a decision.
Well, but I .
It is a big sense of .
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Obviously, we've never expended more time on that.
But to me, at least if you prosper, if you want to share your penitence, are you prepared to, or what have you?
Don't let me go.
Maybe that you'll find that you shall rely on me to do speeches, which is usually right.
Usually, it is not right to get out there and mess with each other all the time.
I never want to go out.
Take me on that TV.
Take me right out to the mall.
I shouldn't.
I said he's not held on to it good enough.
Right now, the question, I agree with it, is whether he's something.
That's a separate subject, whether, regardless of this point you're at first, is to tell me, or I, as the President, to allow the court to vote.
What are your choices?
One of the choices, the first choice is the President goes on television and robs the nation, followed by a Kissinger briefing to explain the nuances he takes.
That's one way out.
Another way out is for Kissinger to come back, report to the President.
The news will already be out.
And then you'll read it without any help.
Because your schedule is a briefing, not telephone.
It's for the press.
But I hope it's a briefing for aviation.
Or he.
makes his pitch, gives his 49 bucks here, and then does the Q&A with the two hotels, and that's why he goes here to the base for the negotiations.
There is a breakdown.
I do not consider it a permanent.
It is temporary.
On the other hand, we cannot wait for him to take on a very other level of that.
But, all right, that is done.
What's the third question?
300.
that they were approved for.
No, I didn't mean to say that.
They're really those two choices.
Their choices simply wasn't a response.
And I'm not going to explain it or something like that to say, well, I'm not sure.
I don't know.
I think you've got to pick any one of the two.
And then the question is, what impression do you create in the United States?
And in my mind, and Chuck, you've used this, I'm sure you've got it.
The impression you created that the president goes home is that the whole Eastpac program has collapsed and the president is re-escalating the war on the basketball submission.
The impression that's created that he goes out and leaves without the president and with his government is that we've been another snag in a series of snags in the Eastpac that he did all the time.
And that what is the effect we will continue our military actions as we said we would.
And the overall impression we get is that we get another snag in an ongoing policy that is still ongoing.
I hope.
But people like you are going to pay more attention.
You know, you say, you talk to her one day, and you look at her, and you do look at her, and you still mess with her.
You get into some new substance, which is a new drug.
That's what she tries to play out.
It's a case of, well, what was I going to do?
Well, it's the more I do it...
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The old amendment, the second amendment, goes the other way.
It's beautiful.
It's to sort of dig a dash of water and say, Jesus Christ, this was at the end, but now it's going up.
And I think that the judge acted the other way.
I mean, it comes to the point that it's not the end, but it's the point.
I'm afraid, literally, of a dramatic change
to break off negotiations like he did, if you remember, when he broke it off with the Russians and came back.
I mean, let me say that this is somewhat like Henry's recommendation at the time of May when he came in and strongly urged that what we do is that I didn't go on television.
And at the time of the summit, if you remember, you went over to see Cox.
He said, hell no.
He said, one, you've got to win.
You cannot lose the war.
And two, go ahead and .
The other point is though,
break off, I could have canceled the summit, and then announced, and now I, it wasn't, it wasn't, it was, I could have canceled the summit, and I would have fallen behind, because of the stoppage, and now what are we doing?
So, I did this, and it comes back, I, I, I break off the talks, and they take them back, and I announced,
And this is what we are going to do.
And what is it?
And the funny thing is, it's Zilch.
That's right.
It's Zilch.
That's what Henry's about.
We're going to increase our bombing of the army.
Increase our, if there isn't any, we're not going to.
We're going to get a few B-52s in there.
If that's it, there ain't much more we can do.
Unless you go this year.
That is the funny thing.
Where Henry's, Henry's mind going off.
I need to not go on.
Unless we are going to do something.
See?
I can't go yet.
I was going to do something.
This is where he goes.
The U.S. made the maximum effort to arrange a comprehensive settlement to bring peace to all parties.
We have learned that it is impossible to negotiate ceasefire conditions and political arrangements agreeable to both sides.
In other words, we're telling you, we're telling you, we're telling you, we're telling you,
We are therefore prepared to disengage completely.
And they have certainly military self-defense.
We must have our prisoners back, and we will step up our military actions until we have achieved this single remaining objective.
We made an offer now, and we in fact say we give up.
Although, what he, we don't give up.
He said, we now have provided here, putting in the most positive, sorry, putting in the most positive way, what he was saying, is that we have now provided a meeting for myself, Peter, and I can defend myself, and they have that responsibility.
Now, we will, we now, let's get our curfews back.
So, in turn for our curfews, before we will stop the bombing, we will all have our curfews back.
The moment that is said,
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, the point is, they do say there is no bottom line.
And if you say yes, you also, if you talk about rallying our supporters, you also rally your opponents.
Also, we needed to do that, but we had to react.
Now then, in May, May, about May, we rallied our opponents, but we also rallied our supporters.
The reason is, there is a reason that we did something.
Now, God damn it, we're not doing anything.
I'm going on explaining the reason why the initiative basically was failed.
It's not his fault, but it's basically his whole series of initiatives has failed.
That's what we're talking about.
At this point, it hasn't failed or anything.
It's failed now.
And boards are this way.
He's got his sword out.
He's really got a saying.
He's really got a saying.
I can't make any sense of it, too.
I think that the American people, and even the Congress, might support the continuation of the bombing.
I think they might.
I don't think they will.
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There's still a possibility that everybody can see what you did.
No.
But you have to understand, obviously, that all of our, what we're talking about here is a fair play for an event.
And also, frankly, what I mean is that after the city breaks the contract, that could also be important.
They've got one more chance at a better viewpoint.
They've now heard that, let's say they got your message to Q.
And they know that what you believe is that you can't sustain the war anymore.
You know it.
They've got the progress.
They've got the progress.
Okay.
Let's say they got that.
Or they didn't get it.
Let's say they figured it out all by themselves, which is not a considerable amount.
I'm sure they got it, too.
The government is.
All right.
All right.
So they got that.
So now they said, why, if I was settling down, down here in this room, and let's see if that's good.
But if he can't maintain the thing, then it's got to be a settlement.
And we'll keep the POWs and bargain it for something or other, you know, on the reparation.
I don't think they're going to do it.
They're looking at it.
But then, they didn't win.
They just got terrible, right?
So they now figure, they told me that Congress proposed out of the war, because, frankly, in order to put shoes on them, they gave us something.
We, in fact, didn't tell them that.
And I did tell them.
We didn't have to do it.
But we, I assumed that it was Congress.
Well, since it was some settlement that was done.
But you get a very deep point.
If you then go on television and start rallying people, there's nothing to rallying to, as you pointed out.
And that's not a good thing.
You can't run out onto the football field and play cheer on the team when there's no team there.
There's not going to be a game until next Saturday.
We're going to have that here today.
The point is, what Henry was saying, the rally that Bob, who was very apparent, was facing, remember, Thursday, the ban, the ban, you see, we had 500 dollars in that.
You get the point.
We're going to see it through, and we're going to have honor.
On the other hand, he's not even saying that.
He's saying, we're out of here to say, well, we've negotiated, we've been in the body, and now the law applies.
But the fact of the matter, what Henry really is doing, again, is terribly unsanitary.
He wants you to make the public case.
Why is that so?
I don't know.
I'm not going to get into all of this.
I'm trying to understand.
I'm not going to get into that.
I'm putting it on, I'm putting it on, I'm putting it on all parents.
He doesn't believe me.
He doesn't believe me.
He doesn't believe me.
He doesn't believe me.
I don't think anybody should test themselves enough to not be able to do that.
But my point is,
But it's a big difference.
You're going to believe this.
History has a separate end, which has been an advantage to us from someone else.
And now we have a lot being an advantage to me as well as to him.
And how could he do that?
How is it critical money?
Because he held an advantage against us.
And everyone wanted to get this, because he almost didn't make it.
But you never once went to history.
And there is people who are going to do down what is most concerned with.
So I just wanted to get people out of the way.
The fact is, the need for those who suffer
I should not be on national television going into such things.
We did this and they said that.
We did this.
We're going to see American people going through the same death and they have to care about it.
You're finding out that we're never going to do the coalition.
We're finding out that we've never agreed with the right to talk to this and that's true.
So, yeah.
But you see a lot of that.
We're going to point out on the call that we're failing to negotiate.
So we're going to go back to the military.
Military.
Military.
We'll win the war.
We're going to try.
And that's exactly what 99.8% of Americans do.
That's what it means.
That's what it means.
We've got now about 20% of the people who say they don't want everything bombed and shut up.
That's right.
They want to go much further.
That's something we're seeing.
The real boss, right?
The real boss wanted everything bombed good.
Now there are a lot of others who are honored.
That's good.
That's something to be honored about.
That's another side of the problem.
I think the tendency is the way I heard, and that's something a lot of people kind of recognize, but it's just what you're saying.
You can't go, she didn't say it.
They ought to just give us a person's name.
We've been in there to protect the integrity of the people, so it's not right that she was there.
I think you've got to make it look even if nothing ever happens, you've got to do what he's talking about.
Yeah.
But you've got to make it look like you intend to go on and go to jail.
And the jury can see.
You shouldn't say we're stepping up and all that kind of thing.
No, no, I didn't mean that.
You don't mean that.
I tried.
I tried.
That's right.
That's right.
Because anyway, look.
Look.
There was a story right in the middle of all this.
The point is they don't know what you're doing.
And they don't understand when you're bombing above the 20 o'clock or below the 20 o'clock or when you're bombing 10 a.m. or 10 a.m. or 10 a.m. or 10 a.m. or 10 a.m. or 10 a.m. or 10 a.m.
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Yeah, because he's in this psychological thing.
You've got to look at what his motivations are.
They aren't...
Anyway, you can give him all the orders you want, but he's also a better guy when it comes to emotional hang-ups.
You don't know which side he's on.
He's turned my head the wrong way.
Well, to the right, to the right, to the left, to the left, to the left.
Just looks like he's kind of... Just like Henry.
He's really kind of weird.
No, you'd have to build it up.
Oh, I can build that up.
I haven't done it so often before.
I haven't done this in four years.
But is there 100, 200, any other options?
Yeah.
No.
You've got to tell us.
You've got to tell your rockers to come up and take a look.
Yeah, that's the one.
Literally, you probably think of that as, yeah, you know, perverse, but it doesn't have to be.
It's not, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, it's not,
I mean, I don't care whatever we have.
I hope you like it.
I hope people like it here.
I think that's great.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
But my point is, he has to, you know, take the washing part and put it together again.
Right down the line.
And it really goes on and on and on.
So people know what they're probably doing.
So there you can do the reading.
Right.
If I make another reading, I don't know what I'm trying to do.
Another reading, another reading.
Another reading can do it as well.
Sure.
I don't know what he's talking about.
He's lying because he doesn't know that his whole career is on the line.
And if he has to do it, he's going to have to do it.
But Bob, I just have a feeling here that Henry and, when I say I will too, the bells behind me are pushing me out forward on something really to identify me to save this man.
I don't think he is.
I don't think he is.
I don't think he is a conscious.
He has to be.
Well, you'll get...
He's a good man.
He's calm and everything like that.
Well, he is.
that we really can always, and it has to be done.
Henry, it's a good thing.
Henry can happily live here.
Because, you know, everyone can't stay here much longer.
He just doesn't have an idea of privacy here.
I mean, what do you think about it?
It's very hard to tell.
I think you're right, unless there's another child running through a new cycle.
I don't know.
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Where is it?
He's gone.
I do not want to bring it over and do this, you know what I mean?
There's it.
And there's the table.
Ah, there's the table.
See you later.
Let me ask you this one, because now we're not going to get caught up in the truth of it anyway.
Uh, can you get Brett over and join us for the next piece?
I don't see him.
Okay.
Very good.
Still looking good.
I don't have an accident.
He's got a superior.
Right.
Very wise man.
I don't want you to go beyond.
I don't want you to have the people that would not have it, or anybody that would be involved, none of the folks.
I don't want you to go early.
I don't want you to go early.
But we ought to check another day.
I'm sure he'll tell you how it's going to work.
He's going to have to deal with it anyway.
He's going to have to wrap it in a map.
He's going to have to do something by getting there.
He's going to need something.
His judgment is now in the way.
You know, I have to tell you, I could be entirely wrong.
I wouldn't.
Because if you came back and said, we still have our initial objectives.
It's not going to work out.
It wouldn't be right.
You don't announce it, but when they say, well, what are you going to do about it?
Well, they were going to continue as we said.
Until we get a treatment.
I wouldn't say prison.
Now, no time for prisons.
We've got an honorable peace.
The president took all of the honor and peace.
There are just some things we worked out.
And they've been a train of thought.
We're going to insist on that.
We've set a law to continue the military action.
Right.
In other words, we're going to get a peace agreement.
You know, it's incredibly difficult.
You kind of dust that off into the water, drinking, and then people are like, what the heck is this?
That's another thing.
That's what I think.
It wasn't tough.
It was very strong.
And so what you did, they stuck it.
You rekindled the feeling in the American people.
It was not going to be pushed back.
And I think the idea of, you know, hanging tough together right now is a mess.
But that's my reading of the book.
But my reading is that we will not be stampeded into a cell.
My reading is that we will not be stampeded into a cell.
My reading is that we will not be stampeded into a cell.
My reading is that we will not be stampeded into a cell.
My reading is that we will not be stampeded into a cell.
He has silenced himself over a position where he wants to break off.
Now, I agree.
What are we going to do?
What are we going to do?
I think that's a certain way to go about it.
Just saying, just saying.
Well, you know, it's a certain way.
It's a certain way.
Well, that's what I was going to say.
It's a certain way.
Oh, it's a certain way.
The right, the right can get totally into it.
It's a certain way.
And the left, the left would say, ah, he didn't agree with me.
He could have had this term long before.
I'm not right with the right.
I'm not right with the right.
I'm not right with the right.
I'm not right with the right.
I'm not right with the right.
You said .
That's right.
We were .
And there's a certain amount of logic to the .
We sneered at it.
We said, how do we know?
We don't know.
On the other hand, you've got to believe me.
I'm just going to be honest with you.
If you stop the mining, and stop the bombing, and stop all the people who pay the price, and stop all the other economic systems, and stop the economic collapse, then they might know you're in a local business and you're the person that's going to get the money.
Probably not that, but they could do that.
All the others, they would, but I think others would leave for that.
That's what I want.
They would leave for the collapse of Vietnam, which is what would be victory for them.
It would be for us, for our race.
In election day, I agree, and I think most people would agree, too.
But I don't think people are going to want to do that.
I don't think they want to be available.
They're going to listen to the communists, and I can't hear them.
You don't know.
You don't know.
You don't know.
You don't know.
You don't know.
You don't know.
You don't know.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
So don't settle on terms like October, which is why the Democratic Party is involved in that.
And that, incidentally, is a good settlement.
It's not inconceivable, incidentally, that George McGovern or some of his allies have gotten that signal.
It's very well gotten to where some of these don't settle down, and what is the Congress look like as well as others?
Just give us a moment.
You're not doing anything right.