Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 388-008 Date: Wednesday, November 8, 1972 at 2:05 PM Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.; [Unknown person(s)]; Butterfield, Alexander P.; White House operator; Bull, Stephen B.; Finch, Robert H.; Sanchez, Manolo Recording device: Old Executive Office Building Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/388-008 This transcript was generated automatically by AI (WhisperX) and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite it as authoritative. [0:01] Sir, over this short trip up to Denver, uh, another early strike, I think. [0:07] And we'll go back another hour. [0:09] Have you had it? [0:11] Yes, sir. [0:14] I was running just under 61. [0:26] Under 51, I guess, but 61, 78. [0:37] But no, no real evidence of prison, no evidence. [0:38] The precincts that are, the significance of the precincts that are out. [0:39] Why is it both, a couple of counties, 45 and, 45 and 032. [0:43] The total of the majority is the biggest. [0:58] What is the majority now? [1:04] They're almost exactly 17 million. [1:09] How much is it in the water? [1:11] The water is 43 to 17 million. [1:12] I don't know. [1:31] I don't know. [1:37] I don't know. [1:56] What a dog. [2:06] And her expression now is exactly 17 million. [2:19] What about the rest of the 17 million? [2:20] So it's the biggest, it's the biggest majority. [2:21] The biggest majority. [2:21] That would be the biggest majority. [2:25] That would be the biggest majority. [2:26] The percentage was... [2:36] Percentage by Johnson. [2:38] That part is all the same because of the ratio. [2:45] What is Johnson's percentage again? [2:50] 20, 61, 61.1. [2:50] Again, what? [2:52] 60.8. [2:52] So Johnson has the 1%. [2:52] Yeah. [2:52] But what was he against, though? [2:53] I don't know how much the other one was. [2:54] 38.5. [2:54] All right, one minute. [2:55] We're going to get to... [2:56] I think our spread is slightly bigger now. [3:16] Yes. [3:31] 22.6 and ours is... See what's the final number right there? [3:47] 22.8. [3:52] But that 61.7 didn't change. [3:56] The number here is where 90% of what... [4:01] 92%, 95%, 80% head over heels. [4:19] I'm not going to do it here until 14% of the way they do this. [4:23] That's all right. [4:23] First of all, we need 75% of that. [4:24] All right. [4:24] So 5% of the head can come in. [4:25] All right. [4:26] All right. [4:26] All right. [4:31] California is more than 49.99% of the population. [4:46] What is it like to get to California? [4:47] It's more than 42% of the population. [4:49] You laugh at me. [4:50] That's just what I want to do. [4:52] My God. [4:52] After all the bullshit about California, we've not been more than 50% of the population. [4:54] That's great. [4:55] That's true. [4:55] That's very tough. [4:56] But it turns out to be 55%. [4:59] 55, 43, 2. [5:04] I can see that's the purchase. [5:07] So basically, basically there, we've got a 57, 43. [5:12] We actually got a 14-point margin there. [5:21] That's right. [5:22] Fantastic numbers. [5:31] You know, it's, uh, I mean, like, that, you know, the, the, the beach thing really hurt better, I guess. [5:48] That was the thing that knocked me down. [5:49] I think that the full mass use is through if they had, uh, closed that one. [5:51] Uh, and also, uh, Watergate. [5:56] Yeah, Watergate, uh... [6:01] The area is unsafely lost. [6:11] It's a dead end. [6:17] It doesn't look that way. [6:21] It's a dead end. [6:21] It's a dead end. [6:25] It's a dead end. [6:25] It's a dead end. [6:25] It's a dead end. [6:26] It's a dead end. [6:26] It's a dead end. [6:26] It's a dead end. [6:27] It's a dead end. [6:27] It's a dead end. [6:38] Did I agree to make a, give another statement? [6:52] Does this take three days? [6:58] Great question. [7:01] All right. [7:01] Thank you. [8:06] The idea is, Mr. President, that any way, any kind, any slice of it, any way the job is coming up is the biggest personal victory for any, Mr. President, in our industry. [8:30] I don't think any other election is going to do this, I believe. [8:38] First of all, it's the biggest majority. [8:52] And it's the bigger, it's a bigger percentage split than Johnson's percentage split, to some extent. [8:58] You know what I mean? [8:59] Third party? [9:00] No, of course. [9:01] You have a bigger, you have a bigger market, right? [9:02] Percentage-wise. [9:03] And both parties. [9:04] Johnson. [9:04] Yeah, well, this is where you made an absolute percentage that's bigger. [9:06] Because a bigger percentage of the vote, you know, [9:08] That is the reason we wouldn't have a jump court. [9:19] If you've got a very bright candidate, and he had a top dash, and what you just think, don't all the people who are going to have walls in there, that would have made this quite difficult. [9:29] He would have won. [9:29] He would have been a hell of a tough one. [9:30] He wouldn't have had that soft. [9:32] You know what I mean? [9:33] He would have made it very gross and sharp in the city. [9:34] He would have constantly been growing in comparison to the other center. [9:36] He would have made it very hard. [9:38] We have been discussing this with the other people. [9:42] It's what we've got to really do. [9:45] Gosh, is that possible? [9:47] I don't know. [9:49] They're in shape over there. [9:53] I'm sorry. [9:55] No, man. [9:55] I actually want to pay them. [9:56] Man, I don't know what to do. [9:57] Why do you want to do it? [9:58] Do it right now. [9:59] Sure. [9:59] I've got to tear that son of a bitch apart. [10:00] I think that this boat, they have to do it. [10:02] Do you agree or not? [10:02] Yes, sir. [10:03] You can do it right away. [10:05] I mean, it's critical. [10:06] You're, you're a great agent. [10:16] You're a great friend. [10:18] He's an enormous personal friend in the institution. [10:21] You know, I want to hear that. [10:24] You know, I'll take personal time to see that. [10:25] So why don't I, and I don't, I mean, I don't want the Dole's and the Dominick's. [10:28] I was going to say the Wilson's. [10:29] The Dole would be all right. [10:30] The Dole was fine. [10:30] He said this was my victory. [10:31] The Dole was great. [10:31] He was a great friend. [10:32] He really was. [10:32] They all were great friends. [10:39] I didn't say that about Eisenhower. [10:48] Look, Eisenhower didn't do all that. [10:50] He didn't do pictures. [10:53] I didn't do pictures. [10:55] I did radio tapes. [10:56] I did television. [10:56] He would never do such a thing. [10:59] Never, never, never. [11:01] I said, this is what I heard. [11:03] He said, this is true. [11:04] I said, those are right in the United States. [11:07] He said, what did he want to say? [11:07] He said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, [11:10] He said, we're not a president. [11:20] The same thing that happened in Nashville. [11:24] There's a move, there's a new kind of conservative movement in Chicago. [11:27] They don't want conductors. [11:29] They don't want outside of tourism. [11:30] They don't want people coming in to the entrance. [11:32] They want it. [11:32] They like it. [11:33] They did it. [11:34] All right. [11:34] All right. [11:35] Great. [11:35] And we're going to help those workers. [11:36] I think they're going to decide what we're going to do. [11:38] I just went out and said, you know, I got to go to the state. [11:51] I told him he didn't have to go to the state. [11:55] I told him he didn't have to go to the state. [11:58] I told him he didn't have to go to the state. [12:01] I told him he didn't have to go to the state. [12:04] I told him he didn't have to go to the state. [12:07] And I thought, you know, we had no choice but to do it. [12:19] And the first thing he had to do, I don't even know what time it is. [12:25] And I'm not so sure that I've ever heard of it. [12:27] And the, plus, the only one that we knew, because I guess for the point that we had known, was Bob. [12:32] You know, because I had one of my parents over there. [12:33] And Bob said, I don't know, it's just something that I don't know. [12:36] Because he said, I don't know. [12:37] I don't know where he was. [12:37] The President never has done one square in order to support President Trump. [12:49] He's trying to do some work, and I've got to do this stuff, and I can't. [12:53] I mean, son of me, I paid out a hell of a lot to try to save these boys. [12:56] There's a lot of new solutions out there, but you're great. [12:59] Go to Maine. [12:59] Go to the country. [13:00] Go where I think you can go. [13:09] I wonder if they're destroying the value system. [13:27] I wonder if there's any way we can really get a good name for everyone. [13:35] There's got to be a way. [13:35] There's got to be a way to do that. [13:36] Obviously, I got the... [13:37] If you would put all the mail... [13:58] Another thing, there's biographies of Winston and Churchill, of which there are three volumes. [14:20] I have only the first volume. [14:22] I want the other two volumes, or get the three volumes, because I just want to bring it from the library to Congress. [14:27] I don't want to leave it there. [14:29] Check it out. [14:35] Check it out. [14:44] Check it out. [14:53] I think, Mr. President, that we have to look at it this way, and by the way, we've got two ways to look at it. [15:11] We may have not chosen to make a deliberate decision back in the summer. [15:18] We were very close to being dropped. [15:19] And we might have been able to go into every state and wrap our hands around those candidates and help them and end up making a marginal degree of maybe taking up any of those seats. [15:24] and maybe 20-22% of hope they could have nothing in terms of the long-term and absolutely nothing in terms of who they elected. [15:48] But what I would imagine is a modest Republican meeting on campus. [15:50] But what you now have is a major referendum on other issues. [15:51] You have a new constituency. [15:51] Brand new constituency. [15:53] That's what it is. [16:20] Without Congress, I'm dead. [16:23] You know, they show you how the purgers did. [16:28] You know, they got 4% of the vote, for example, in the state of Washington. [16:36] They got 6% of the vote in the state of Utah. [16:38] All of this would have been honored in Oregon, which ended up 53-42, which is not bad. [16:43] But the goddamn purgers got 5% of the vote, 46,000 votes in Oregon. [16:49] Well, now in California, they got 227,000 votes. [16:58] seven percent of the state of the West. [17:11] We've got a lot of, we've got a lot of burden. [17:16] Of course, if one of those has a maximum of development, it's not going to be able to get enough of that, but it's going to be able to get that out of the state of the West. [17:23] In particular, in California, we've lost about over a million people in the state of the West. [17:27] I got a bigger one. [17:50] I got an 884. [17:50] I got a 4x3. [17:54] It's a nice big 2x3. [17:54] Oh, it really is. [17:55] Ray Buss was saying that he built it in Ohio. [18:18] My dad is across the country, so yeah, that's exactly right. [18:39] That's what's important to them. [18:40] Went to Indiana by $600,000. [18:44] I don't know, like $60,000. [18:44] I don't know. [18:45] Florida by over $80,000. [18:46] Florida. [18:47] I mean, like, over $80,000. [18:47] Florida. [18:47] Yes. [18:47] That would be $2,300. [18:49] They're right for the ticket if we just go after them. [18:53] That's the fact of it. [19:20] . [19:21] . [19:24] . [19:25] . [19:25] . [19:25] . [19:27] . [19:28] . [19:30] . [19:48] Is there some way that we can have this analyzed so that the board is going to understand where we did get them? [20:05] That's right. [20:08] But I'd rather that go back to the old parking lot. [20:10] That's the fact that we ran an area that's some of the diversity in terms of the number of boats. [20:13] I mean, I don't think his parking is there. [20:14] But I think it's only about 30,000 parking lots. [20:17] Yes. [20:17] That's right. [20:18] I had to pull that all the way down, and I had to make it close behind. [20:32] I don't think Chuck can go in and elect me son of a bitch. [20:34] I just don't think it'll work. [20:35] It won't. [20:35] Well, it's a combination of things. [20:37] First of all, you're in a hurry, James. [20:50] Greatest part is his office. [20:55] He's in the West Wing, Boston. [21:03] He's free for lunch. [21:07] I mean, come over in ten minutes, please. [21:08] I was supposed to go to the tickets, please. [21:09] Chuck Daly versus some of the others. [21:14] Reminded me of the tickets. [21:17] Yeah. [21:17] Yeah. [21:18] the so-called massacres of conservatives become more and more and more prevalent. [21:37] And that leads to people, that's really the thing, it's every election war. [21:43] But the odds aren't right, because people identify with the hell that they don't, they just don't identify. [21:45] I was, when I was, for example, up there, at the rally. [21:46] There. [21:47] I was on the security. [21:49] The chairs were beyond me. [21:56] They were the greatest of my investments in animals. [21:59] They were, they were an ecstasy to some of the animals I used to use a lot of times. [22:02] When I mentioned JP, it was a thousand and a little more. [22:06] That's when I was worried about the climate. [22:10] There's something wrong with this crop. [22:11] There's something wrong with this crop. [22:12] Well, when you find a guy like JP, he's the perfect guy. [22:15] He's absolutely the perfect guy. [22:16] His animals are not going to have any competition. [22:19] You'll find some of these writers saying, well, look how well he did, look how well Roe did, look how well Percy did. [22:30] That's the way they build it. [22:34] They are activists. [22:36] I agree. [22:36] But they grow personal constituencies, personal values, and they cut across and they kind of do both the distant part and the mature part. [22:44] That's right. [22:44] That's right. [22:45] We are not going to work with the detectives. [23:03] Hello? [23:03] Yeah. [23:03] Oh, all right. [23:03] Yeah, don't worry, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, [23:14] You know, I'll actually have a little leader who I recommend to keep in the store. [23:24] I just hope to see if there's no time to get that stuff off. [23:29] He's very good at that. [23:29] He doesn't seem to go anywhere. [23:30] I'm just going to see if there's anything that's currently on the show. [23:32] Well, it's mine very well. [23:32] It's a present fix. [23:33] It's the last one I've realized. [23:34] I'm going to be able to see. [23:45] You're going to get, you're going to get days in this room. [23:58] The only thing I, I really urge you not to do is, I urge you not to fire this. [24:01] Make those, make those telephones when I get in the parking machine and go, God, I can't. [24:06] Go away. [24:06] I want you here. [24:07] Go away. [24:07] For the next 30 days, cover me if you do it. [24:08] My God. [24:13] Here's Richard Nixon. [24:20] He's been on the National Ballot as many times as I know. [24:27] And his last election was one of the most spectacular victories in all of our days. [24:30] Won the biggest number of states. [24:32] That's right. [24:32] Got the biggest number of votes. [24:33] That's right. [24:34] And the biggest American majority. [24:36] That's right. [24:37] And one of the biggest Senate majorities. [24:38] That's right. [24:39] That's not bad. [24:39] I said, let's get the points out of some of these, because I had a group of people who were going to try to finally, but maybe those final points are very good, the final figures. [25:02] They're so close to 61. [25:03] Well, they're all, they've all worked on the system, and they're all saying it's, they're all comparing it to 1960. [25:05] You might as well have, you know, Johnson's, and Bush's, and Roosevelt's, but you should make the point that we did better than Johnson. [25:09] because we took it to a more stated center, but I think it's more local than that. [25:24] The Great Democratic Coalition was established by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932. [25:26] The principal key to the Democratic Party's success, in a sense, collapsed on the base of the Mississippi River, in Chattanooga. [25:30] The government was deserted by the urban floods, the blue collar, and the age of the government. [25:35] Only the lowest income government, the whites and the youths, could manage the coalition. [25:38] Now this is a dynamic. [25:40] And everybody's going to say, hey, they're going to want to go back and check around the box and just stop it. [25:51] And if they don't, they don't want to stop it. [25:55] I'm not going to say that. [25:56] But there's only their interests are not going to turn around. [26:00] But there's a very tough code. [26:03] If you don't get rid of it in the next three days, you won't have it. [26:06] You get a terrible, terrible code. [26:08] It's driving the direction of something that's inside of you very well. [26:16] personal success to become an institution and change the way we did, along with bringing peace to the world would be what you would do on the board, just to get money to use. [26:35] That's the problem there, of course, is that you don't have a Roosevelt. [26:37] Well, of course, Roosevelt had the Congress, the land is wide, the very station was made. [26:39] Clayton took out that thing with him and didn't help him, but he had the Congress. [26:42] The question is, where did he lead without the Congress? [26:44] But we've been fighting on that for four years now. [27:00] I have to go along with your play. [27:01] It is a strict instruction to sit in this room. [27:04] It's a pro-life institution. [27:05] And get away with it. [27:05] But I ain't choosing to take any power in the house. [27:07] Yeah, and just to vote. [27:07] And I have the people to do it. [27:08] And I've got the private and the people to do it. [27:09] And I've got to come back here and change. [27:10] Of course, it's going to take a month to do it. [27:12] They're going to have their own internal fireplace, a jury leader, a host, you know. [27:19] They'll have an overrun of that effect. [27:22] And today, speaking of the house, that is the final. [27:28] You don't have any final. [27:31] You've got to fill up your little house in that house. [27:34] It's a nine, or a eight, or a five, or a lot. [27:35] Maybe even that game is 13. [27:37] It could be that high. [27:39] It's harder than that, maybe. [27:40] The last time I had it, [27:43] I've listened to our legislative people in Washington. [28:02] They said that, too. [28:02] I don't know if that came in any way in the middle of the night. [28:04] Maybe it's what I think. [28:05] So I'm seeing some sort of deal. [28:07] Now, if the House is not blunt, John, I lay it in the jurisdiction of none other than Bob Wilson, which is already done as well. [28:13] Yes, yes. [28:16] Well, at the end of the day, it's kind of, it's, of course, we're up to one night, and it's present on 177, which is the bed of 13, and so that's when we'll see if we can get some things going. [28:33] So we're trying to bring that. [28:33] I guess we'll be the final figure before 10. [28:37] And it will be made after one night. [28:39] We're four years from now. [28:39] So, you know, I relate it to the fact that we have quite a break now. [28:46] I'm going to look over all these. [28:58] I suppose I first moved now. [29:13] I did one thing. [29:16] My daughter amazed me. [29:32] She was a lieutenant. [29:38] Her pricing return was unbelievable. [29:39] They had prepared flyers for me to send in responses, right? [29:40] Got it. [29:40] And they said, we appreciate it. [29:41] You're a very gracious flyer. [29:42] And I'm looking forward to working together with you. [29:43] Well, I did. [29:43] What's this? [29:44] I said, [29:45] Uh, Mrs. Mason and I want to express our appreciation for your election on the block. [30:06] Uh, after I, after quite a hell of a lot of hard work, I really appreciate you, uh, enjoying the day and wishing you and Mr. [30:08] Governor, uh, the best. [30:09] Uh, I want you to rest and figure out what you need to say. [30:12] Do you think that's bad? [30:12] Oh, no. [30:12] That's just a mistake for me. [30:14] So, got that? [30:14] Is he part of the show? [30:16] But they figure it's wrong because they don't deserve it. [30:23] They have a lot of work to do. [30:25] And this could spark business. [30:30] I don't know why you don't suck around today. [30:34] But, Mr. President, you have 61% of the American people expressing their confidence in you. [30:41] It's time that you took the voice of those who see you as just a triple threat. [30:45] They were convinced that we'd win. [31:15] Okay, but that it was the equipment, the gear and equipment that they were in, which they had stipulated, I'm sure. [31:22] And when they started seeing, and they thought there was momentum from our government, and they put, they had us on a peace issue, and they put up a warning that the committee was not accepting anything anymore. [31:37] Which is what I'm saying, Chris, that if they had a water-hating or peace issue, they lost Massachusetts. [31:41] Right. [31:41] Most of them. [31:41] Because that was when the government turned around and said, no, look, we were ahead. [31:45] I've always been here. [32:20] Well, I don't know whether to call him senator or governor. [32:26] I have a hard, hard problem. [32:27] You guys ready to know me? [32:28] I have a hard, hard problem. [32:30] Say that, Chuck. [32:32] Chuck, let's do it. [32:33] I don't know if you saw the last one as well, but it's Friday. [32:43] It finally is turning out. [32:45] Of course, it's Friday. [32:46] It's Friday. [32:46] It's Friday. [32:49] It's the biggest majority. [32:54] It's the biggest majority. [33:02] And its percentage is slightly bigger than Johnson's percentage spread. [33:18] But Johnson didn't have that Sandovich and Berger in there. [33:24] You see, the Berger took, I just clicked here to figure, that Sandovich took 227,000 votes in California. [33:34] A million and 26,000 votes in Washington. [33:36] But listen, she literally took 6% in Utah. [33:41] She took 4% in the state of Washington. [33:45] Here's another one-half. [34:06] Well, I had nothing to mention about it. [34:13] When you come to think about it, I was shocked. [34:36] the peace issue, the way that the veterans played it, probably cost us the only state where peace is a better issue than the war in Massachusetts. [34:59] And it probably cost us Massachusetts. [35:00] That cost probably some combination of what? [35:01] Nevertheless, the peace issue might have cost us 1% across the country, but on the other hand, [35:06] I'm just saying, what the hell difference does it make with you acting in the 61? [35:27] What do you think? [35:27] I'll tell you how I feel about the whole thing. [35:30] Right now. [35:31] Right now. [35:32] I came back over here, you know, to make calls. [35:34] I had to make two or three from the top. [35:36] There's three people. [35:44] Well, that's John Collins. [35:46] Paul Wiseau, I haven't talked to him. [35:46] And that guy, he wasn't me. [35:48] He said, can I chat? [35:49] He said, we can't find him, son of a bitch. [35:52] My wife is gone. [35:53] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [35:54] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [35:55] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [35:56] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [35:57] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [35:58] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [35:58] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [35:59] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [36:00] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [36:01] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [36:02] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [36:02] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, [36:04] Unbelievably elated. [36:07] That shows good support. [36:09] Here's a guy that wanted to be considered. [36:12] Wanted to be considered. [36:14] Wanted to be considered. [36:16] And I blocked him every time. [36:17] I got to have no problems with this thing. [36:19] A lot of people said stay in it. [36:23] You know what? [36:24] It's a greater home satisfaction. [36:26] Actually, in case you want to help my family, you can go to the hospital. [36:29] But I haven't got to do it. [36:31] But then, [36:38] It's a disaster, isn't it? [36:45] Part of it is the spell. [36:47] Now, God damn it, is that really going to be trouble? [36:50] When I was there, when I spoke on the race, also at Ontario, you know, it's high in purpose, but we can't debate, right? [36:57] It's so great, we can't bitch about that. [37:00] But the trouble with this race is that it's organized. [37:04] You're better and better. [37:06] You spend more money. [37:08] I asked him, how did you lose six? [37:15] How did you lose? [37:16] He said, well, I lost six. [37:17] And I heard it all. [37:20] I ran ahead. [37:22] Why? [37:23] Why? [37:23] Why? [37:25] It doesn't matter. [37:27] The registration didn't kill us. [37:27] And I caught up with it. [37:29] And I lost it. [37:38] That is because they're standing. [37:47] But these people, I've had a good, I've even had a picture taken of each other, and I've had to, you know, spend time with them. [37:56] Here's the example. [37:59] Cap Barnes, in San Diego County, we had five of his witnesses, held three of them. [38:02] And we're now down to one captain, and he's stoned. [38:03] He's the only one. [38:03] I thought I was having a ego now, but I'm not. [38:05] Cap Raddison, wants to take him to the hospital. [38:08] . [38:09] . [38:10] . [38:10] . [38:11] . [38:12] . [38:18] . [38:24] . [38:38] I'd like to get Scali back on the network. [38:42] I'd like to fly on the network. [38:44] God damn if that's the name of this game. [38:47] And I'd rather Scali go back. [38:50] He only wants to go into second position. [38:52] If he goes back on the network, we will give him a direct channel for this right now. [39:00] If you try to steal, boy, he'll have himself a thing. [39:04] A job as always. [39:08] They've got to blame us for their losses out there. [39:20] No, that's the only way I know about this type of organization, particularly in Delaware. [39:33] The problem, of course, is they're going to be after you now. [39:43] It was a personal triumph. [39:45] Did you look for your triumphs or anything else? [39:47] No, I thought they asked me to come out and make fun of me. [39:49] I said, kiss my ass. [39:50] I never thought they were going to accept us. [39:56] What? [39:56] They were already there. [39:58] What? [39:58] That's an act of the party. [40:00] It's an act of the party. [40:01] Now they think they just bought jerseys. [40:08] Who's going to run? [40:16] We'll talk about that later. [40:18] Can I ask you a thing about Wilson? [40:19] Can we get Wilson down or resign or should we just get him killed and kicked out of that job? [40:28] I can't stand it anymore. [40:29] I can't stand it. [40:30] I know he's probably not going to take the job. [40:32] I think I'm going to pick a chimpanzee. [40:34] It may hurt. [40:34] It may hurt. [40:36] It's still hurting. [40:40] The first congressional committee, the National Committee of the United States of America. [40:52] I mean, I started with Bob. [40:56] You know what happened in 1971? [40:57] In 1971, the election. [40:59] I found those three committees spent $11 billion. [41:02] I said, Bob, I want to come and take a breath yesterday. [41:05] I said, I found it out. [41:07] $11 billion, and that's missed on a little. [41:09] Because stop that. [41:13] Of course, a lot of that is to have the guys do their job, come back home, and do their job. [41:24] But I think a lot of that can converge to, I can do a lot more work with the state. [41:27] Really what's good is these organizations, the publicity, the material, the research, it's good. [41:32] It's bad. [41:33] It's bad. [41:33] It's good if you can pull that one. [41:35] And I think that the policy committee, both of us, is telling Chuck, maybe you're right, Henry, [41:39] It was back in the 60s. [41:46] It was a very active election. [41:49] And I thought that was the best we could get in the state general. [41:56] I thought that was... Do you remember the other talk I had with Raymond Molden? [42:00] When I said, great, maybe I would be the national general. [42:01] Well, I thought about it. [42:02] No, I don't want to get any smelly on it. [42:03] If I do, I'm a great national general. [42:05] Full time. [42:06] Well, let me talk about the Cal State situation. [42:37] You got to take off early. [42:43] No, I'm going to be here tomorrow and then fly. [42:51] I haven't seen my family in less than half an hour. [42:57] Tomorrow night, you know the greatest thing about this? [43:01] What's the greatest thing? [43:02] If I think about it, what would it be? [43:04] Julie said, we had the worst mistake ever. [43:05] That was Massachusetts. [43:05] Julie had gone to school there. [43:07] David had gone to Amherst, and David had gone to Harvard. [43:29] And there will never, never, never be another Harvard man that I will pick with my name or my ID, man. [43:32] It's not fair to those of you that are for it, but we've gone a long while that way, and generally, [43:36] You agree with this or not? [43:44] Okay, I totally agree. [43:51] The very second. [43:51] Gun coverings. [43:52] Did it always have to be something short of art? [43:54] No. [43:54] It's a professor. [43:54] Okay, off you go. [43:55] But to help you around, I want to see some names. [43:56] I like caddy names, and I like Polish names. [43:58] That's what we want. [43:59] It's a good example of one change that I'm interested in. [44:04] I'm going to put his labor man on the secretary of labor. [44:17] Labor union leader. [44:18] It's got to be done. [44:19] He deserved that job. [44:21] He's described as you put a businessman in the secretary of commerce. [44:22] I'm not going to have to. [44:23] I acknowledge him. [44:24] He's a sweet guy. [44:25] But there's got to be an alternative. [44:33] He understands it. [44:50] He understands it. [45:11] I'm not doing anything. [45:18] I'm afraid that there's a boy there. [45:20] He's the most great labor leader. [45:23] No, he did a great job. [45:25] Nobody was smarter than me. [45:26] Paul was a well-educated man. [45:31] He's got a real, he walks in and takes it over. [45:33] He's got a good man. [45:36] He's got a great man. [45:52] On California, you've got to decide whether you're going to go governor or senator. [46:09] I'm sure you want to go on board, but I think I don't. [46:14] But I think you've got to decide. [46:25] Probably, you're part of the party running for governor, correct? [46:33] The thing, too, is it's easier running for governor, correct? [46:40] Yes. [46:40] Yes. [46:41] You would like the Senate, right? [46:42] You've got to know that we need the Senate. [46:44] I know Branson is tough. [46:46] He does his homework and all the rest of it. [46:47] He doesn't really shed on the issue. [46:49] That's the problem. [46:49] So where we are, we're custom-made. [46:50] We're taking it back. [46:51] If you go for governor, you've got to run against Branson. [46:53] You've got to go after him. [46:55] And so, how did you get out of there? [47:14] But, how did you get received? [47:26] It's rated by six by 13 points. [47:33] We're going to focus on fighters who control that delegation. [47:42] Obviously, we can. [47:42] He said, the delegation, I'm going to throw out. [47:46] 76-6. [47:47] Oh, I want to throw out. [47:49] I'm going to throw it out. [47:50] I'm going to throw it out. [47:51] I'm going to throw it out. [47:52] I'm going to throw it out. [47:55] Yes, sir, we have a wonderful coffee with so little tea. [48:13] Would you like to have a glass of water, please? [48:18] Okay, okay. [48:20] I think your president is going to protect us. [48:29] Yes, very good. [49:01] I don't know if it's just a call and say, well, thanks for the help, but it doesn't help a lot. [49:33] Are our people in Kalamata pleased with our election? [49:50] Yes. [49:50] It's just devastating. [49:56] What's happening? [49:57] Where do we go from here? [50:00] Yeah, sure, I have a good idea. [50:01] I've got a phone. [50:04] Let me say this, before we do this. [50:13] You do the California thing. [50:18] We had to play with Reagan, for reasons that you're quite aware of, up until now. [50:21] As far as I'm concerned, Reagan, now, hasn't done anything new. [50:24] For example, I hope you agree with this one, because he called on the high science department, and Bob Hill, the HR1 coach, without that, he said, [50:31] He called it eight crore and passed out and said, we have five dozen of them. [50:41] The son of a bitch apparently doesn't know what the hell was in the bill. [50:52] Is he just that dumb or what? [50:54] What in the name of God? [50:55] And the other thing, he was very open about it. [50:56] Salvatore was very open about it. [50:56] He said, get that in perspective. [50:57] Right. [50:57] They believe that he was on his ass. [50:58] Right. [50:58] So he said, great. [50:58] He said, thanks, David. [51:01] Let me be quick. [51:09] I don't know how it worked out, but don't rule, don't rule out college. [51:19] Everybody, you gotta look at the distance to understand why you will not be presented. [51:24] Raven cannot be present. [51:25] And it's good for you if you welcome it. [51:27] But I want you to be safe. [51:27] But if you have to have a choice, it's pedigree, but I recommend it. [51:31] They think that the fact that you get scarlet by a person or whatever, that you have all of this. [51:48] Salvatore is very candid about this, and so are other people. [51:51] This is right. [51:51] He's not going to understand. [51:52] He's got a horrible brain. [51:53] He's shorter than I am. [51:56] We'll go back. [51:56] We're very out of the park this morning, but this is very good. [51:57] It's a good show. [51:57] I don't think it's very good. [51:58] I don't think it's very good. [51:59] I don't think it's very good. [52:10] He might dip to a sparking sign. [52:21] So that's a good idea. [52:24] Let me say, we have given him a hell of a lot. [52:33] We've given him a flooring policy. [52:36] We've sent him on trips to Houston. [52:36] And that's given him a lot of gain there. [52:40] So, if I was to go back and take him on, I would. [52:49] That's good. [52:52] Yeah. [52:52] So, what's your personal thing? [52:58] My personal thing is the governor. [53:00] Oh, man. [53:01] You can't wait too long to put this critical mass together. [53:03] That's why you stayed with me until we came up to the line. [53:05] For us? [53:05] Yes, sir. [53:06] It's valiant. [53:08] or have an accustomed partner, partner rather than just the big packers, the blue collar men, the 30th. [53:17] They, they, they, they have, they sponsor the process, whatever. [53:25] They dinner with the Calvary's wife, all of them. [53:31] Bitch, flying, crazy. [53:31] And you're not gonna, this is, they're doing it for us. [53:35] Guys, you come by and probably get this license [53:39] to do, but they're laying the charge on that. [53:43] They're not going to sit down, they're going to pick the bowls, they're going to structure this in such a way that you want your home safe. [53:53] There's a real reply here. [53:54] The driver says they can stick him in and take the legs and things. [53:58] Maybe that's not going to happen. [54:00] Well, it's about time. [54:00] Well, that's one possibility, but the other one goes back to the property thing. [54:03] But no, a copy is a waste of money. [54:06] A copy will stumble around one way or the other. [54:08] That's part of the problem. [54:12] Actually, if you did ask your minister, he'd be like, ah, damn it, that's what I just had here. [54:24] Start with us, possibly. [54:27] We've got a girl we can get in front of. [54:31] Darren's understood, and this is somebody who doesn't know about it, but we probably understand what we have. [54:38] in the office or whatever. [54:47] But you've got to find a key role for the front guy that he keeps these people who are having it because the party is just gone. [54:59] And he's got a critical mass and you've got to make a decision. [55:01] I'll go your way. [55:02] I let it go. [55:02] Because I get a deal about that party and I'm tired of getting screwed by a lot of the nuts. [55:06] I'd like to go with the government because that's where the power is. [55:09] That's what I do, if I can win that. [55:16] I begin by 50 to 37. [55:20] I'm going to get weaker. [55:31] I'm going to get stronger. [55:31] Here's the point. [55:34] Nobody's going to hold coach after eight years. [55:38] The Democrats are so delighted. [55:45] They've got Moretti, and I don't know if it isn't, but they have Bach. [55:57] They've got Moscone, Wally, Jerry Rock here. [56:01] And they're all just walked around. [56:02] This is the other discouraging thing about the damn Sadducees. [56:04] That's essentially a Democratic state to begin with, California. [56:06] And France is the dominant operator. [56:07] So if you can hurdle that Democratic authority, [56:16] the whole goddamn orgies. [56:20] I guess I'm not going to like to cut into them. [56:29] But it's going to be a straight line game. [56:30] And if you're right, I'm especially going to put in a good one pretty fast. [56:33] I've been writing good notes because I'm writing a good record for it. [56:51] But we also had to test all the possibilities of the survey. [57:00] So I'm not satisfied with the fact that we didn't have the best survey, but all of it, etc. [57:08] But right after the crisis, we didn't stop. [57:09] As my friends and friends reported on all the goals of our department, we had to get into this building. [57:23] Well, how am I going to do that? [57:31] It's got to be a kind of cutting. [57:35] You've got to be able to cut this punch. [57:38] You can't be too liberal with this punch. [57:39] You've got to have some contrast. [57:43] You've got to have some contrast. [57:48] You've got to have some contrast. [57:54] I wonder if he's right enough, but I'm going to tell a question about that. [58:16] That's going to be strong. [58:17] I don't know. [58:24] and sort of how it's gonna get going very soon. [58:33] Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. [58:37] You know, like I said, I have more than enough people with me, especially the others, because Brock and I are having a great time. [58:40] We appreciate it a lot. [58:58] And maybe he thought he could have shot me first. [59:07] But he served you. [59:09] You know, you got what they want. [59:12] You got the data. [59:13] It's fine with you. [59:15] It was very tame of him. [59:16] And he went to the bus going to the park. [59:18] Now, you know that, right? [59:19] That's true. [59:19] But the guy couldn't sprawl that. [59:21] The person couldn't bring back my health. [59:22] I was in a prison. [59:23] The person was perfect. [59:23] Never let my voice see your father in a nasty shape. [59:26] That's right. [59:26] He couldn't close it. [59:28] We're back on once again. [59:40] Thank you. [59:40] Thank you. [59:44] Thank you. [59:55] I think I'm saying that's what I mean. [1:00:07] It's really good. [1:00:13] It's really good. [1:00:15] It's going to be able to help the different systems. [1:00:18] There is a miracle after all. [1:00:19] I know this is . [1:00:26] That's why I call them geniuses. [1:00:34] They're so good at that. [1:00:38] They're saying, you've got to relax up and do some dancing. [1:00:40] I mean, that's not great. [1:00:42] But yes, it was actually better than that. [1:00:45] You know, we can do it in private before it happens. [1:00:51] We can do it in private before it happens. [1:00:53] We've got the humans that fade off. [1:00:55] That's a big part of it. [1:00:57] We had to get a lot of Texas to carry Texas around. [1:01:09] I don't want to be hurting you, though. [1:01:11] Don't build too much around the Jews and all those. [1:01:16] Gold, the way you build it, is to build the majority in gold for them. [1:01:22] Goddamn gold for the teachers. [1:01:26] go for the building trade, go for the Catholics. [1:01:33] That's what it's really about. [1:01:37] You've got to build it around that. [1:01:42] Democrats have lost those people. [1:01:43] And out there, in particular, in certain competitions. [1:01:46] A guy took your ballot and marked it all that way. [1:01:48] I didn't know how to do that. [1:01:48] I didn't know how to do that. [1:01:50] I didn't know how to do that. [1:01:51] I didn't know how to do that. [1:01:52] I didn't know how to do that. [1:01:53] I didn't know how to do that. [1:01:54] I didn't know how to do that. [1:01:55] I didn't know how to do that. [1:01:55] To the one who can't do marijuana, to the one who can't do it. [1:02:13] I'll tell you something, Billy. [1:02:13] Sure. [1:02:14] Bless me. [1:02:14] Three, two, one, go. [1:02:14] What's that? [1:02:14] It's a private figure. [1:02:15] It's a person. [1:02:15] I already know what you're going to call it. [1:02:18] It's called a private listing. [1:02:18] I don't know what you're going to do. [1:02:19] You're going to sell this site. [1:02:20] You're going to buy that thing. [1:02:21] You're going to buy that thing. [1:02:22] You're going to buy that thing. [1:02:22] You're going to buy that thing. [1:02:23] You're going to buy that thing. [1:02:24] You're going to buy that thing. [1:02:26] And the question's fast. [1:02:31] And in fact, my other presentation, I say, well, I spring this question. [1:02:36] Well, see, I can say it or whatever. [1:02:44] Oh, how do I have that language? [1:02:45] I don't really have any more questions. [1:02:48] The other thing is, does it have any, did Rogers handle it all right after I left, sir? [1:02:50] In fact, I don't know. [1:02:52] But everybody followed up with that on the line. [1:02:53] That's clear, too, that you know. [1:02:55] It's going to be much harder for them to realize. [1:03:03] I don't mean to admit it personally. [1:03:04] Some of them do. [1:03:05] But, mainly down the line, I put whether it's going to be a Johnson-Holt order, or a Kennedy-Holt order, or whatever. [1:03:10] No. [1:03:10] And you know, what I stress is, you're dead. [1:03:11] You're killed as a citizen. [1:03:14] The other thing for us to do is to play questions. [1:03:16] Because if not, let's just face it. [1:03:17] We're going to have to pay for this. [1:03:18] We're going to have to pay for this. [1:03:19] We're going to have to pay for this. [1:03:20] We're going to have to pay for this. [1:03:23] We're going to have to pay for this. [1:03:25] That's it. [1:03:26] I thought that it was good. [1:03:30] We had this captain. [1:03:33] He was my idea. [1:03:36] I said, have him come today and I'll wait. [1:03:40] He said, no, I should do it later. [1:03:42] Captain, he served. [1:03:44] They all worked their asses off. [1:03:45] And I think they had a pretty good position. [1:03:46] Yes, and then, you know, basic conversation happened. [1:03:48] So, very warm. [1:03:48] We felt both parties in care. [1:03:49] I'll talk to the teacher at the convention when I go home. [1:03:56] Hello? [1:04:04] Yes. [1:04:05] Hello? [1:04:06] Oh, Mr. Prime Minister, it's nice to hear from you. [1:04:12] Well, thank you very much. [1:04:13] Well, if you know under our system, if I were in Britain, I'd be out of office. [1:04:17] Because we didn't get the House incentive that we didn't expect, but we have a very... [1:04:23] solid majority now, I think we can do something more effectively than we have previously. [1:04:33] Let me say, too, that I've done it with interest. [1:04:35] You're moving on. [1:04:36] The wage and price control fund, I can wish you the very best on it. [1:04:41] It's a tough... [1:04:42] It's bad. [1:04:43] How is it being accepted so far? [1:04:52] Saturday. [1:04:55] Great, great, great. [1:04:57] Well, that's what we found here. [1:05:02] The bomb was a matter of fact. [1:05:06] But when the, uh, when the parole came in, I mean, the guy on the crest, they ran 65 to 70 percent, and they didn't have to take it. [1:05:15] It's always good. [1:05:17] But I, I certainly, uh, I, uh, I'm going to have to take some time now to get things [1:05:22] charter here and a new administration. [1:05:28] And I hope that one time we can get together and have a talk. [1:05:42] And we'll be in contact. [1:05:42] And I do very much appreciate your call. [1:05:44] Yeah, I'll tell you, that's not the best excuse I can find for anyone. [1:05:51] And I was also, the other day, I was thinking in personal terms. [1:05:59] I was camping out across the U.S. someplace. [1:06:01] I was amazed at the reason she could marry 25 years. [1:06:05] I just can't. [1:06:07] It's hard how the time passes. [1:06:11] Right? [1:06:11] It certainly is. [1:06:11] It certainly is. [1:06:12] Well, it's good to talk to you, and we'll look forward to seeing if your work goes off. [1:06:19] Oh, oh, one last thing in privacy, Joe. [1:06:20] The, uh, the Vietnam thing is going well. [1:06:24] I'll just say no more, but we're, we'll keep, uh, covering. [1:06:31] Of course, one of us, well, I'm sending James to Saigon today. [1:06:35] Yes, uh, for one end, and the other end, you know, there'll be something separate about it. [1:06:40] But it's coming along very well. [1:06:42] Thank you. [1:06:43] Thank you. [1:06:46] Thank you. [1:06:53] The whip, if you can imagine, has an enormous effect on the forehead. [1:07:13] See, Johnson, he must remember all sorts of things. [1:07:14] But then he got followed down. [1:07:15] And that was the first great society. [1:07:16] And then the second, the damn war. [1:07:18] And he looked so bad. [1:07:19] And also, he was so goddamn cocky. [1:07:19] He didn't want to know anything. [1:07:28] You know, I thought it was good that I went. [1:07:44] Instead of going right over to the sharp. [1:07:49] And I went to the local office and talked very quietly. [1:07:55] And then to the sharp. [1:07:55] And how do you do that? [1:07:56] Being sober in the lab. [1:07:58] Well, let's leave it this way. [1:08:28] You'll get your tail off the cow and make your decision. [1:08:39] I don't want to talk to you about what you're, whatever you want to do. [1:08:49] We'll go through that. [1:08:50] And if you decide that you want to do it, it's another problem. [1:08:53] And so we'll go through the timings and ways that each guy can get his own ride and build some personality so that [1:08:57] Bobby Warnock is not what you think I'm talking about. [1:09:14] I think my personal view of him is that he doesn't want you to get felled when you see him. [1:09:17] He's thrown out by a lot of other people in his life. [1:09:19] It's not his job to get thrown out. [1:09:20] Bobby has to go through all the bullshit that he has to go through. [1:09:21] He's taken it four years. [1:09:22] He's blown out. [1:09:22] Three years, Bobby. [1:09:23] Here it is. [1:09:23] One year, four years. [1:09:23] He's a nurse. [1:09:23] He's a nurse. [1:09:24] He's a nurse. [1:09:24] He's a nurse. [1:09:24] He's a nurse. [1:09:25] He's a nurse. [1:09:29] So I noticed it. [1:09:58] get this goddamn report back, or I'll just be a short-term proposition. [0:00] I'll look at the scenario and I'll go, that's right, I don't think, I want to go to California. [0:17] It's enjoyable. [0:17] I, I, the way that's pretty good. [0:18] I didn't want to, uh, be the same as them. [0:18] Yeah. [0:19] So I'll take those and I'll period it. [0:19] Make sure that it's a good target. [0:20] I think it'll work. [0:20] That's what I said. [0:23] What you should know about, we've got a trip quite a lot of stuff. [0:42] That's the biggest thing we've got to back on. [0:44] That's what he told me. [0:44] And that's the thing we've got to realize. [0:45] Essentially, he's done a great job longer than we know what we're waiting for. [0:47] That's right. [0:47] We're not running out. [0:47] Sir, it's very early. [0:48] It's done. [0:48] I mean, we don't need it. [0:49] And we've got now a fine group. [0:49] Sir, he said I'd like to go back to California. [0:50] That's his job. [0:51] So she's a broadcast, you know, you're a business leader. [1:13] She'd like to stay around here once, she'd like to go back to California once that's right. [1:15] So, we should get her on the job. [1:15] Maybe we can put some people on there. [1:16] I have to bring a call in because they need me to Johnson Street to cross over to the end of it. [1:18] I've got Johnson Street to go to the wedding. [1:20] White hair, uh, what's that, what's that? [1:44] She's the one you shot down. [1:45] I heard her, I heard her. [1:45] I don't know about that, I guess. [1:46] Well, I didn't have a thought. [1:46] Christ, you've got four years, you should leave. [1:47] Uh, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please. [1:52] Well, that's, that's, we gotta do something about it. [2:21] I got six points good. [2:41] Your power is so great now. [2:41] The party is so far down. [2:42] If it's ever going to happen. [2:42] But you've got to do it in the next month. [2:43] Yes, sir. [2:43] And it's never going to happen. [2:44] It's just bad luck. [2:44] We're not going to do it. [2:45] But you can't do it. [2:45] But, sir, you have to break up this terrible division. [2:46] It's a house can thing. [2:47] That's what I think. [2:47] That's what I think. [2:51] So the only ones that really support a batter person, really support a batter, is their next on line to get the job. [3:11] But, on the other hand, that's what I should be left with. [3:13] The guy himself, the whole point of that, I think, is that we also have to help anybody who can't. [3:15] I mean, you know, there are a lot of ranking members that want that job. [3:16] This is a lot of people looking around. [3:21] We just called them and said one of us, maybe their answer would be that. [3:41] Well, Jesus Christ, the fault is all the White House, the fault is the President. [3:43] The White House has never done anything for these assholes in Congress that we have, you know. [3:46] We've switched around, we've done so many things. [3:47] The calls, the first family, the service, the use of space. [3:49] And then also your press guys already did that, you know. [4:11] You made this point today. [4:11] The press guys, I've seen them. [4:12] I know some of them who've been back there flying. [4:13] At least 30 days ago, we broke our class. [4:14] Aren't you glad that I did cover the side of the last two days of campaign? [4:15] Absolutely not. [4:16] Well, the point is whether they make a difference or not. [4:17] If I had, I'd have done it. [4:17] And they don't all want it. [4:19] Well, this is going to be a tough one, but I'm going to argue with him. [4:42] We're going to have to do it anyway. [4:42] Not now, because I've got a good team. [4:43] I've got people to get on. [4:44] I'm losing all of the students. [4:44] What's wrong with them? [4:45] No, that's the other thing. [4:45] I'm like, he has nothing but help. [4:46] That's the other thing. [4:47] He's really good. [4:47] He's a good girl. [4:47] He's brought this back. [4:48] He's [4:49] I don't know whether we can get him on the field or whatever. [5:09] I don't know. [5:11] I think he's the man who loved it from state to government. [5:12] And the road he took was great. [5:13] He led that path. [5:13] Let's get those damn kids together. [5:14] I totally love him. [5:15] And he's carried the heart for you, you know. [5:16] So I hope we can get him. [5:16] Maybe even a sub-captain or something. [5:17] But I'm talking to Alex about that. [5:18] Yeah. [5:18] Yeah. [5:18] Well, I hope so. [5:19] All in all, when you stop to think, what we went through in the 60s, and the 62, 10 years ago, and then 68, you're going to do it. [5:39] You're going to do it. [5:39] Yeah. [5:40] You're going to do it. [5:40] You're going to do it.