{"conversationCode":"389-002","tapeNumber":389,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-389-002","startDateTime":"1972-11-04T13:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-04T13:45:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Nov-1972","startTime":"8:40 AM","endDate":"4-Nov-1972","endTime":"8:45 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On November 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 8:40 am to 8:45 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 389-002 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 389-2\n\nDate: November 4, 1972\nTime: 8:40 am - 8:45 am\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 33-4]","filename":["389-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"389-001","nextCode":"389-003","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":10.5,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":10.52,"end":11.2,"text":"What is your feeling this morning?"},{"start":11.22,"end":11.54,"text":"Are you worried?"},{"start":35.54,"end":41.55,"text":"Henry?"},{"start":41.57,"end":41.87,"text":"Who's laughing?"},{"start":41.89,"end":42.6,"text":"Oh, well, you know, who's laughing?"},{"start":42.62,"end":42.68,"text":"Oh."},{"start":98.78,"end":114.5,"text":"all of the fighting and also you make the point that we had agreed on three fundamental things that we've got to nail it down with the shirt and the socks and all those things that's all we don't want to see twice fired at the police we've got to see that for the whole time"},{"start":127.35,"end":148.2,"text":"Well, it may be that the only problem is that I was plugging up late this morning."},{"start":148.22,"end":149.16,"text":"They don't give much of a play, in other words."},{"start":154.18,"end":174.93,"text":"You know, I was thinking, I don't know if it's a simple one, but he said there were modest hiding cars in the crowd."},{"start":174.95,"end":175.43,"text":"Did you see that?"},{"start":182.16,"end":200.88,"text":"Well, what is he?"},{"start":200.9,"end":201.28,"text":"What's the new job?"},{"start":201.3,"end":202.4,"text":"Oh boy, so he's uh, he's just got a butter eye problem."},{"start":202.42,"end":203.64,"text":"You must be able to keep him from it, but I'd underline that."},{"start":203.66,"end":204.44,"text":"And then show him that you can do that."},{"start":204.46,"end":205.16,"text":"There's nothing he can do about it."},{"start":205.18,"end":206.37,"text":"That might be even harder than setting him to work."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss media coverage and the framing of recent political developments shortly before the 1972 election. The conversation focuses on managing public perception regarding diplomatic negotiations and potential unrest, with Nixon emphasizing the need for precise messaging. They also touch upon the professional status and challenges of specific unidentified individuals within the administration.","topics":["Media relations","Public relations","Election strategy","Diplomacy","Press management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T17:52:08.469Z"},"topicSlugs":["media-relations","public-relations","election-strategy","diplomacy","press-management"],"audioDurationSec":215,"audioFiles":[{"file":"389-002.mp3","bytes":5161822,"durationSec":214.96,"bitrate":192103,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:45.438Z","transcriptGapSeconds":60,"transcriptGapShare":0.28,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/389-002.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/389-002","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/389/conversation-389-002","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}