Conversation 389-012

TapeTape 389StartSaturday, November 4, 1972 at 10:36 AMEndSaturday, November 4, 1972 at 11:00 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ehrlichman, John D.;  Dole, Robert J.;  Mills, William;  Allott, Gordon L.;  McKevitt, James D. ("Mike")Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On November 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Robert J. Dole, William Mills, Gordon L. Allott, and James D. ("Mike") McKevitt met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:36 am and 11:00 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 389-012 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 389-12

Date: November 4, 1972
Time: Unknown between 10:36 am and 11:00 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

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       1972 campaign
            -Telephone calls
                  -Impact
                       -Crowds
                       -William T. Cahill
                  -Howard H. Baker, Jr.

The President talked with Robert J. Dole between 10:41 am and 10:44 am.

[Conversation No. 389-12A]

[See Conversation No. 33-27]
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                                                            Conversation No. 389-12 (cont’d)

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule

The President talked with William (“Billy”) Mills between 10:45 am and 10:47 am.

[Conversation No. 389-12B]

[See Conversation No. 33-28]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Mills
               -Support for the President
                    -Blacks

       1972 campaign
            -Telephone calls
                  -Cahill
                  -Gordon L. Allott
                  -Cahill
                        -Ehrlichman’s handling
                        -Charles W. Colson
                        -George P. Shultz
                        -Peter J. Brennan
                        -Chairman
                        -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                              -Possible visit
                              -Media coverage
                              -Rotary club
                        -New Jersey

The President talked with Gordon L. Allott between 10:49 am and 10:54 am.

[Conversation No. 389-12C]

[See Conversation No. 33-29]

James D. (“Mike”) McKevitt joined the conversation at an unknown time before 10:54 am.
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                                                             Conversation No. 389-12 (cont’d)

[End of telephone conversation]

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Ehrlichman left at an unknown time before 11:00 am.

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We just don't have any idea.
You know, I'll just keep back to this.
Go on.
They looked like, uh, they didn't want to go out and talk about it.
They were cool with it and so forth.
I'll put that crowd right there.
Uh, but they didn't, they couldn't hear me in the crowd, but they, I was able to hear their own voice.
The first presence.
It amplified.
Good.
And, uh, I, uh, uh, they, uh, were amplified also.
Yeah.
So I, I might have to park in the crowd and so forth.
They don't, they get, they call it, they call it murder.
And I thought I'd stand here and do the right thing.
So they sold it off.
I'm going to go in there.
I'm going to stand here.
I'm going to go in there.
I'm going to go in there.
I'm going to go in there.
I'm going to go in there.
I'm going to go in there.
Bob, are you in Kansas?
Yeah, well, I just called, uh, for the reason that you know, to, uh, wish you the very best.
I know you, uh, I think you've got Jim Harrison there with you, haven't you?
Right.
Well, you get it.
all of my problems today and when we say that we support our opinion.
And like you say, in your case, your splendid work at the national level is, I know it's taking you away from me as far as you would like, but we greatly appreciate it.
And I think if we can have a little fight there in Kansas,
And that's, uh, that's the close, uh, the close race with Governor.
We've got our chance.
I know we can't curse, but it's, uh, it's way ahead.
All right.
Take one, huh?
Well, I could not get through Kansas during the campaign, but I am well aware of the fact that Kansas is one of our banner states in every election.
I also remember, will never forget my visit to Kansas State, you know, and my water purple.
And I want to tell the folks there in the room that I hope to get to Kansas in the next four
And I think football fits pretty well here because I know the smarts game, the football player, the star.
and give Gerald my very, very best.
I'd written both of the letters, of course, and I back it up with my saying to you today.
And if, and if among all the other many people that you speak to today in Kansas, if you would find any outlandish call,
Okay.
Good luck, Bob.
Good morning, Councilman.
I just wanted to call you to thank you for the expression of support that you gave.
I have a letter from our mutual friend, Howard Allen, and he told me about it and got to say that I might be held up for it.
These next four years, I look forward to working with you for the cause of your people you need to be there.
I know it can take a lot of heat sometimes for some of your colleagues with new business directions, but I greatly appreciate it and I will not forget it.
Well, I appreciate that, not to say that we have, you know, the wealth and the opportunity to work with you.
And this door, this local office will be open to you, and for, I don't mean to hate the community at large, but particularly those in the black community, because we want everybody in this country to have an equal chance, and that's the way it goes.
I'm sure that the White House is the place where everybody should come.
Okay.
All right.
And then I get my best everybody.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm trying to find out.
He is not going to talk to you.
Well, I don't think he is.
Well, I don't know.
I hope not.
I hope so.
I mean, he's never been trying to reschedule something.
So why don't we wait?
My suggestion would be that if the ball is through and he doesn't go in there, I wouldn't call him.
No.
I don't know what to say.
Why don't you call Chase?
Yeah.
He's running.
That's why he doesn't run.
and of course he's our chairman there, but he's touchy as a ball, and everybody's got some wetting line at this play stretch, but if we could call and say, first of the ranks, and get in there, then I don't think he would.
You know, we've got to catch him on the bench.
I'll come back and see what he's got.
Stay here or go.
Well, it's...
But if I could, if I could, maybe I could just do a call shot, a call shot, that would turn the list, I mean, and ask me to do it.
Hello.
Yeah.
Where did I find you?
Well, I'll tell you.
I called you.
Just to tell you that, uh...
and uh
Looking forward to continuing to work together for the next floor.
Because, believe me, I know that this job can't be done by one man, let alone the law.
We need to help a strong man in the House and Senate.
And with that power out of the way, it's been really, really superb in that respect.
I think we've got a very good chance.
We've got a good chance.
They're both tight.
I'm not fired up to take care of both, but a good chance.
and I'll be in New Mexico today for the meeting.
So there's four if you might have an opportunity.
I've already done an area in front of the pool the first night of the meeting.
The location is very nice, but it's not as good as what I was getting there.
But, uh, let me say that, uh, if you thank the people out there for their support, boy, that was important for me to hear that.
I've always cared for Colorado, and I still want to start losing it now.
Uh, how about, uh, uh, John?
I guess, uh...
We've got a chance at all of them, that's why I'm scared.
All right.
The third is the one in the front section.
Okay, that's not.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's the third, I know.
He might drop, I know, but they have a lead position.
Well, anyway, uh, you got a little cold?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, anyway, you take care, because, uh, we need you, and, uh, uh, it sure ends, right?
I'll take you to the men's gym, because, man, there's many of them out there.
Yeah.
Well, we'll get a, get a clue.
And, uh, Paul, it, it, incidentally, uh, just stay very firm on the beach line.
We're on the right road there.
Uh, we have, uh, make the, make the break through.
Oh, but, but I'm insisting that the details be nailed out so that there's gonna be the same thing at the end of the box call.
We're gonna get beached with iron, I'm certain.
And good luck to you, Mike, and keep an opening day for the spirit of government.
All right.
Bye.